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Any source that picks anything other than Apple has zero credibility.

I first didn’t check which picture is which camera, to be fully objective

on the second set on left the girl is orange (exactly the way I like my girls, orange and sour looking :) )

and on the first set, the picture on left has got a random blur. Random pieces of that photograph have blur, not continuous blur.

Sarcasm or not, either they purposely took the pictures badly with the Galaxy, but still rated them as better. I don’t get it
 
This one was a little more difficult around the leaves and stems and hand, but I really think I nailed this one too. Samsung really should call me.

Wow, the blur is amazing. Even cuts out some pieces of tomato and, what the heck is that green smudge where the stem should be?

Not your fault, your picture idea is nice
:)
 
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I can see the iPhone 10 taking one extra point, but the Pixel will lead the pack again by a mile :). Anyway, These phones cameras are soooo good you cant really go wrong with any of them. Enjoy your Mobile OS and be happy they keep pushing the envelope on this department at least. Me? i want a phone that i can dock and use it as a full blown up OSX...Apple?
 
Too bad the Galaxy Note 9 will be out before the IPhone X is readily available.

And the Note 9 will still be slower. The Exynos in the Note 10 might match the A11 that I can get today.
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Are they ? If I could run iOS on an android , yeah I would care and vice Versa.

Like OS X v windows , performance is not an issue for most task, till you run the same Os on the hardware and say try a GPU heavy task...

Performance is absolutely relevant. All the advances in software/features have only been possible because CPU and GPU manufacturers have been constantly improving performance on their devices.

Things like animation or photo and video editing (just to pick a few obvious ones) used to be available only to those who could shell out $10K (or even $100K) for a high-end workstation. Now everyone has access to these abilities.

I cant wait to see what developers come up with as our portable devices already match the performance of some desktops/notebooks.
 
Ha ha. The Note looks futuristic. And quite breathtaking. I find people who disagree have never physically held one and have not intention of doing.

The iPhone 8 looks like the iPhone 6. I saw one being used yesterday and had no idea it was a new phone. Amazing.

So. Stand back and think on. Will a slightly "better" video quality impress your friends enough for them to say "Hey. Isn't that the immediately recognisable iPhone 8 with the improved video performance?"
Or is it more likely they'll say "That's one beautiful looking phone man" when you pull out the Note?
(It was A rhetorical question the correct answer is the latter one).

It's all down to brand loyalty and ecosystem lock-in factor. Will old fashioned styling still be enough to make you stay. (Chances are very likely that it will be and that's a shame because the monopoly Apple once had is not there now and there's no shame in admitting it)

However. Although Samsung clearly is a much better release being a completely new design (as opposed to the 8 which is another rehash of old models) - this cannot be said of the iPhone X.

The iPhone X is a proper redesign (like the Samsungs) are so it is likely if improvements of video quality AND looks are important to you it is best you hang on a couple months. It then it will be up to you to ask if Samsung Note looks with an Apple logo are worth an extra £200 as you ask the bank manager for a £1000 loan to achieve it. Only he can tell you.

Meantime did you know that if we are to continue the bizarre Apple Roman numeral terminology then the iPhone X should be correctly referred to as: 'One Phone Ten'.

Now go. Into a generic phone shop. Ask to handle a Samsung Note. And a iPhone 8 Plus. Then decide and not before otherwise it will ruin the surprise that things have moved on a LOT since you last went into one and not the Apple Store as you insist on doing. Thanks.
 
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So. Stand back and think on. Will a slightly "better" video quality impress your friends enough for them to say "Hey. Isn't that the immediately recognisable iPhone 8 with the improved video performance?"
Or is it more likely they'll say "That's one beautiful looking phone man" when you pull out the Note?
(It was A rhetorical question the correct answer is the latter one).

Since when did the culture switch to buying a phone to impress friends? I personally always put my phone in a case and my friends rarely ever see it. What they do see are the pictures I take, or the emails I send from it, or the games we play on it.
 
So predictable. Apple got their two weeks of being the top phone, with the headlines on DxoMark, over a phone that was released a month prior but somehow wasn’t tested, in the Note 8. But no way does the DxoMark give Samsung a lesser score after all that, keeping both big companies “happy”, even though the headlines are muted in Samsung’s case compared to the Apple scores announced the same day as the phone release.

Next up, and the timing of this announcement for the Note 8, not coincidentally, is the Pixel 2 today. See how much the Mountain View folks have done with the best Android camera from last year, and, how it’s PR push affect the DxoMark score like Apple made sure it was on top for a few weeks. I predict it will be one point ahead of these two phones, and then in three weeks the IPhoneX once again ties it.
 
Ha ha. The Note looks futuristic. And quite breathtaking. I find people who disagree have never physically held one and have not intention of doing.

The iPhone 8 looks like the iPhone 6. I saw one being used yesterday and had no idea it was a new phone. Amazing.

So. Stand back and think on. Will a slightly "better" video quality impress your friends enough for them to say "Hey. Isn't that the immediately recognisable iPhone 8 with the improved video performance?"
Or is it more likely they'll say "That's one beautiful looking phone man" when you pull out the Note?
(It was A rhetorical question the correct answer is the latter one).

It's all down to brand loyalty and ecosystem lock-in factor. Will old fashioned styling still be enough to make you stay. (Chances are very likely that it will be and that's a shame because the monopoly Apple once had is not there now and there's no shame in admitting it)

However. Although Samsung clearly is a much better release being a completely new design (as opposed to the 8 which is another rehash of old models) - this cannot be said of the iPhone X.

The iPhone X is a proper redesign (like the Samsungs) are so it is likely if improvements of video quality AND looks are important to you it is best you hang on a couple months. It then it will be up to you to ask if Samsung Note looks with an Apple logo are worth an extra £200 as you ask the bank manager for a £1000 loan to achieve it. Only he can tell you.

Meantime did you know that if we are to continue the bizarre Apple Roman numeral terminology then the iPhone X should be correctly referred to as: 'One Phone Ten'.

Now go. Into a generic phone shop. Ask to handle a Samsung Note. And a iPhone 8 Plus. Then decide and not before otherwise it will ruin the surprise that things have moved on a LOT since you last went into one and not the Apple Store as you insist on doing. Thanks.
Its more about android then it is anything, if you like android get it.
I like iOS . I don't care what my friends think about my iPhone, I only care how it works.
Hence I bought the 8+.
FYI, over here you can get the 8+ for $3.30 a month no downpayment.
 
iPhone X will win the tiebreak.

iPhoneX will be available for regular buyers around Xmas with some luck. Just 2 months later, February 2018, Galaxy S9 will be launched and will win the title again...the time for iPhoneX to rule will be a short one.
 
Since when did the culture switch to buying a phone to impress friends? I personally always put my phone in a case and my friends rarely ever see it. What they do see are the pictures I take, or the emails I send from it, or the games we play on it.

Well. I see where you're coming from and pragmatically you are correct. However it's is a natural human urge to show peers their success in life and phone ownership is one of these methods. Spending the best part of £1000 to 'proclaim' a stodgy old design can't always be offset by the knowledge that it's innards ar "quite different" to its predecessor.

Of course this isn't exclusive to mobile phones. Car ownership. Any major purchase is also considered as a reflection of an individual's prowess when it comes to wise decisions. And sometimes fashion over function is a strong factor in making them...it's simply human nature.
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Its more about android then it is anything, if you like android get it.
I like iOS . I don't care what my friends think about my iPhone, I only care how it works.
Hence I bought the 8+.
FYI, over here you can get the 8+ for $3.30 a month no downpayment.

That's the point I was trying to make in a nutshell.

I've booked my flight already! But the £/$ exchange rate is worsening as I type :oops:
 
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WTF. Who is making these tests? The S8's bokeh simulation is clearly wrong and I wonder why I'm the only one seeing this? :)
The picture from the iphone 8+ does not appear to have any/much background blur (bokeh). If I had to guess they selected portrait mode but did not position the subject properly to activate the effect. Not a fair comparison if that is the case.
 
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Wow, the blur is amazing. Even cuts out some pieces of tomato and, what the heck is that green smudge where the stem should be?

Not your fault, your picture idea is nice
:)

That green smudge is magic.
 
The picture from the iphone 8+ does not appear to have any/much background blur (bokeh). If I had to guess they selected portrait mode but did not position the subject properly to activate the effect. Not a fair comparison if that is the case.

Agree. They should at least taken all photos from the same angle, with the person on the same spot and also added a photo taken from a real DSLR for reference. Everything else is just bogus!
 
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A camera's performance is based on emotion, feeling, overall experience, not stats.

I guess? I remember the same thing when Apple was trying to convince us the G3 was better than Intel's Pentium 3/4. I guess it's better despite the numbers being less on certain tests (like photoshop filters) but most people make buying choices based on numbers and stats, not emotion.
People try to make too much or too little of camera specs. Photography is art. It appeals to a subjective, emotional part of our brains. From that perspective, a camera is judged by it's expressiveness and ability to support a photographers creativity. DxO does nothing to test this. It can't be tested by some universal objective standard. A photographer will or won't be happier with a specific camera for reasons that are unique to that photographer.

On the other hand, better dynamic range, better sharpness, better resolution, better sensitivity give the photographer a broader palette to work with and is more forgiving of photographic technique. This is what DxO tests, and it's an important number to know in context.

Tech geeks will fuss and obsess over every last numeric result. Photographers will point out that it doesn't matter. What matters is the picture a human takes with the camera. Which is right.

Photographers will argue that specs don't matter-- you can take a great picture with a crappy camera. Which is true, but you can take a better picture with a better camera-- that's why pros keep upgrading their equipment.

CPU specs are a different beast entirely. The point of a processor is to get more work done more quickly. There can be differences in performance for different workloads, but that's not the same thing. There's not really any artistic interpretation of CPU performance.

That being said, you'll probably find comments I've made in the archives saying that despite Intel's better process I find the PowerPC architecture more elegant and satisfying. Truth is though, unless I were coding it in assembly, that's an irrational thing to choose a processor based on.
 
Amazing how fast Samsung can rip off iPhone features (fake bokeh). I seriously doubt it will take them 2.5 years to reverse engineer the facial recognition technology. They must have a department of theft.

Yeah, like Apples department of theft that stole the wireless charging and OLED display for the iPhone 8, right?
 
Ha ha. The Note looks futuristic. And quite breathtaking. I find people who disagree have never physically held one and have not intention of doing.

The iPhone 8 looks like the iPhone 6. I saw one being used yesterday and had no idea it was a new phone. Amazing.

Looking at most any modern laptop will see similar design to the PowerBooks and Sony Viao laptops looked in the early 2000s. Like the mature nature of the Laptop market, Phones have reached the same point of balance with regards to design and usability.

At the end of the day phones are small rectangular slabs with screens on them.

So. Stand back and think on. Will a slightly "better" video quality impress your friends enough for them to say "Hey. Isn't that the immediately recognisable iPhone 8 with the improved video performance?"
Or is it more likely they'll say "That's one beautiful looking phone man" when you pull out the Note?
(It was A rhetorical question the correct answer is the latter one).

And for many of us a phone is a tool, not a status symbol. Why is it so important that someone knows you, or anyone else has the newest model?

On that subject, I put a black dot on my new LTE watch, simply because I am not interested in that type of attention.

It's all down to brand loyalty and ecosystem lock-in factor. Will old fashioned styling still be enough to make you stay. (Chances are very likely that it will be and that's a shame because the monopoly Apple once had is not there now and there's no shame in admitting it)

I think it is down to what system or features you like and need, more than it is loyalty. People switch between systems more often than you think, and both Google and Apple make it relatively easy to migrate over.

However. Although Samsung clearly is a much better release being a completely new design (as opposed to the 8 which is another rehash of old models) - this cannot be said of the iPhone X.

The iPhone X is a proper redesign (like the Samsungs) are so it is likely if improvements of video quality AND looks are important to you it is best you hang on a couple months. It then it will be up to you to ask if Samsung Note looks with an Apple logo are worth an extra £200 as you ask the bank manager for a £1000 loan to achieve it. Only he can tell you.

Most people outside of tech savvy folks that follow sites like this won’t be able to see the differences on the Samsung side either. Clearly the top and bottom are different, but the Note 8 doesn’t really look much different than any other samsung Edge phone.

Regarding changes, Honestly I am glad Apple focused on the internals, as the camera improvements, increased graphics / processor speed and other added features are worth more to some people than a design. In fact, since most people run cases on their phones, it is nice having a phone design that allows people to protect their device from side damage.

On prices, if you are worried about 100 or 200 more (Pounds or dollars), you likely shouldn’t be in the market for a device like these anyway.

Cheers!
 
iPhone is a million miles ahead of everything and everyone when it comes to photography. If you want to shoot the best quality photos on a smartphone, you'll choose iPhone everytime.

You need to correct your statement to "I" (as in you) instead of "you"... as in everyone else. Have you even used the other phones you are suggesting are a million miles behind the iPhone? Which iPhone... there are 4 versions now? There are pros and cons between the two devices tested in this case and they averaged out to the same score. So as a semi-pro photographer that is concerned with photo quality, I didn't chose an iPhone this time around.

I fully agree, while in the first picture the girl's face looks brighter with the Note, the background (leaves and grass) is far better with the iPhone picture. The second picture does not even need any comment: day and night! Really, how can this source claim that the iPhone has more artifacts, color fringing and noise, while the girl's face is hardly visible with the x8? What a load of BS, this dude must be blind or something.

Looking at web sized pictures you aren't going to be able to probably see the details that DxO was looking at. Just because the look of a picture appears better on the surface in a web sized picture, doesn't mean the image quality is better. How the image is processed is going to impact the look.

Amazing how fast Samsung can rip off iPhone features (fake bokeh). I seriously doubt it will take them 2.5 years to reverse engineer the facial recognition technology. They must have a department of theft.

I wouldn't call "fake bokeh" a big feature, and also I doubt that DxO worried to much about it in their analysis. Its a bit of a gimmick at best, because its something that can be faked in photoshop probably just about as well (today). I shoot Canon and I can show you some 3rd party $1,000+ wide aperture lenses that have very ugly bokeh compared to their Canon counterparts. And that new portrait mode with the dark background that Apple announced in the keynote to me wasn't attractive at all. All the images they showed had a very unnatural photoshopped look. If you want to darken the background, then you do it with a proper strobe and controlling exposure. Again, its a gimmick, and most of this stuff can be faked in photoshop or some app long after you took the picture.

As for Samsung ripping off Apple... yes, several years ago when they almost directly copied the iPhone, guilty as charged. The courts gave Apple some cash as a result. But today... you can't say that anymore. Samsung's phones are their own design and very different from anything apple... they even do their own treatment to Android. Apple and Samsung both make great devices that are competitive and different. That's great for consumers and its a great time to be a consumer in this space. In the current round, Apple is adding more things that Samsung and others have been doing for a long time... OLED displays, wireless charging, etc.. Heck, they are even buying their displays from Samsung... so who is copying who?
 
I'm a little disappointed, but I have to say that based on those comparison shots, the Note 8 seems to edge out the iphone 8 in low-light conditions and when zooming in. I also tend to like the slightly greater color saturation of the Note, but that's just a personal preference. Oh, well. My iphone 8 is a still a very good phone, and I'm pretty well locked into the Apple ecosystem, so no big regrets here. Hopefully the competition forces Apple to keep pushing the envelope, though.
 
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