Samsung Galaxy S8 Image Leak Reveals Design of 'iPhone 8' Rival [Updated]

[Abazigal]

One could argue successfully iPhone is the same, 10yo UI ,still no wireless charging, proprietary inferior connectors, expensive apps/movies, super expensive devices..list goes on
Look if Surface Pocket redefines mobile, iOS=rim and history repeats

That's a pretty big "if".

I find it interesting that people like yourself look at the iPhone and immediately think of Blackberry to highlight the risk of a consumer electronics gadget falling out of favor overnight.

Conversely, people like Warren Buffett look at the iPhone and sees a product that is more of a way of life than a tech gadget.

It's not just about superior customer loyalty and satisfaction either. At its peak, Blackberry saw incredible customer loyalty as well. However, Blackberry never saw people position its phones at the center of their lives like they do with iPhone.

It's going to take a lot to get people to untangle the iPhone from their personal lives. So yeah, do wake me up when Surface pocket ever gets released. It will be amusing to see this supposed "iPhone killer" share the same fate as all "iPhone killers" before it.

 

[0388631]

However, Blackberry never saw people position its phones at the center of their lives like they do with iPhone.

No one really did. No one believed a phone would be a valuable tool in your day to day life until the iPhone sent shockwaves and smart phones became the in-thing. In the last years of the flip phone, they began being important assets to younger folks. Times have changed.

I could clobber and maim someone with my first cell phone. Could barely fit it in your jacket or coat even if it was the first true portable at the time.

 

[Abazigal]

No one really did.

Does no one see what Apple is doing?

Siri. HomeKit. Health. Apple Watch. Apple Pay. iMessage. Airpods. CarPlay. Apple Music.

Everything is designed around making the iPhone the central hub of your life, so as to keep users within the Apple ecosystem (and more importantly, retain them as iPhone users).

 

[MH01]

That's a pretty big "if".

I find it interesting that people like yourself look at the iPhone and immediately think of Blackberry to highlight the risk of a consumer electronics gadget falling out of favor overnight.

Conversely, people like Warren Buffett look at the iPhone and sees a product that is more of a way of life than a tech gadget.

It's not just about superior customer loyalty and satisfaction either. At its peak, Blackberry saw incredible customer loyalty as well. However, Blackberry never saw people position its phones at the center of their lives like they do with iPhone.

It's going to take a lot to get people to untangle the iPhone from their personal lives. So yeah, do wake me up when Surface pocket ever gets released. It will be amusing to see this supposed "iPhone killer" share the same fate as all "iPhone killers" before it.

A blackberry to many was their centre of their lives. It's not like people who did not own a phone, suddenly bought one cause apple rediscovered the smartphone . The mobile phone is the centre of people's life's , had been for a very long time, its about having the best product , Nokia had it, blackberry had it, apple "still"'has it , though the point here is that if you cruise like Nokia or blackberry, you can find yourself and not the phone irrelevant ....

 

[0388631]

Siri. HomeKit. Health. Apple Watch. Apple Pay. iMessage. Airpods. CarPlay. Apple Music.

To be honest, a lot of those are still poorly designed and implemented. Siri is practically useless compared to that thing Google do. Voice recognition on my S7 is superb and I often compose text messages in the car with it. I've got no idea what HomeKit or Health are. Apple watch... not even going to go there. Apple Pay is fine, but it's an NFC payment, better known as contactless payment, and it's nothing new. It's been around for about 20 years. I had a Speed Pass baton on my keychain in the late 90s.

I'll give Apple iMessage here. It's fantastic. I'm incredibly jealous of my wife's iPhone simply because of it, and no Android third party app can come close to it. Air Pods... LOL. Sorry, no. Car Play, no idea how good it is but rarely hear much on it. Apple Music is a joke compared to other services.

 

[Abazigal]

To be honest, a lot of those are still poorly designed and implemented. Siri is practically useless compared to that thing Google do. Voice recognition on my S7 is superb and I often compose text messages in the car with it. I've got no idea what HomeKit or Health are. Apple watch... not even going to go there. Apple Pay is fine, but it's an NFC payment, better known as contactless payment, and it's nothing new. It's been around for about 20 years. I had a Speed Pass baton on my keychain in the late 90s.

I'll give Apple iMessage here. It's fantastic. I'm incredibly jealous of my wife's iPhone simply because of it, and no Android third party app can come close to it. Air Pods... LOL. Sorry, no. Car Play, no idea how good it is but rarely hear much on it. Apple Music is a joke compared to other services.

Like I said, put them all together and watch the magic.

I have an Apple Watch and routinely use it for Siri and Apple Pay. Siri is cool for searching for map locations and I have even used maps on my Apple Watch to guide me around.

Apple Music works nicely with Siri, and I find I am able to dictate messages accurately enough with it. Google Now is worthless on iOS without iOS integration. I also prefer Apple Music because it has more of the music that I prefer. It's also available in more countries than Spotify, so that gives Apple the edge in countries where Spotify has no presence.

I find my Airpods amazing and use them everyday. My three other headphones have been collecting dust on my desk ever since.

I admit I don't use CarPlay (no car) or HomeKit (not interested in home automation).

Ironically, I don't use iMessage all that much, but continuity is still nice for being able to make calls and send SMSes from my Macs and iPad.

That's the power of the Apple ecosystem. Yes, on their own, Apple Maps will never be as good as Google Maps and Siri may never match Google Now, but the beauty here is that they don't need to.

 

[0388631]

Actually, while I've got Spotify Premium, I'm currently testing out a server called Deezer that's very good. There was another service a few years ago but I can't remember the name, and I believe they closed down actually or were bought by Spotify. I did try Apple Music and they don't have a vast collection like they make it out to be. Spotify does better with obscure stuff.

 

[kis]

LOLOLOL.
K.

care to tell me which other company had curved OLED screens back then?

 

[Juan007]

Looks nice, but I generally prefer products that don't spontaneously combust.

 

[elmaco]

I wonder when smart phones will become symmetrical? It's the next logical step once the home button has been removed.

That is, one camera on top and one at the bottom. Depending on how you hold the phone the one on top will be activated. No need to turn your phone when you take it out of your pocket.

 

[kis]

No one really did. No one believed a phone would be a valuable tool in your day to day life until the iPhone sent shockwaves and smart phones became the in-thing.

The iPhone was hardly the first smart phone. They introduced large capacitive touch screens, that was pretty much it. Before there were Blackberrys, the T-Mobile Sidekicks, the Nokia Communicators (some of which existed already 10 years before the first iPhone was released). There had also been touchscreen devices (like the Handspring Treo) way before the iPhone.
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Apple watch... not even going to go there.

actually, the Apple Watch is the only thing that makes me keep the iPhone (even though it's now only my weekend phone). I enjoy having a smartwatch in my watch rotation, but anything with Android Wear is absolutely ridiculous. Crappy hardware with unusable software.

 

[apolloa]

I'd have to say, between the S8 and the new LG G6, I'd choose the G6, I think it'll be more resilient to breakages not least due to not having a curved screen, it may also have the better camera.
In my mind it would be a choice between the G6 and the iPhone 8 although I bet the G6 ends up being literally half the cost....

Still both phones are still a fair bit bigger then the 4.7" iPhone.
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That's a pretty big "if".

I find it interesting that people like yourself look at the iPhone and immediately think of Blackberry to highlight the risk of a consumer electronics gadget falling out of favor overnight.

Conversely, people like Warren Buffett look at the iPhone and sees a product that is more of a way of life than a tech gadget.

It's not just about superior customer loyalty and satisfaction either. At its peak, Blackberry saw incredible customer loyalty as well. However, Blackberry never saw people position its phones at the center of their lives like they do with iPhone.

It's going to take a lot to get people to untangle the iPhone from their personal lives. So yeah, do wake me up when Surface pocket ever gets released. It will be amusing to see this supposed "iPhone killer" share the same fate as all "iPhone killers" before it.

Probably to do with the fact they if the iPhone becomes out of fashion, which will happen one day, then Apple will end up like Blackberry, possibly even worst as Blackberry have their incredibly successful QNX car systems to fall back on.
And to disregard any phone as not being considered the centre point of anyone's life before the iPhone is to only show a narrow mindset and a complete lack of knowledge of the worldwide mobile market and their users prior to the iPhone.
It's almost on the same level as claiming Apple invented the mobile phone.

 

[nikaru]

Ok, this is a good looking device, cant deny that....

 

[kdarling]

It's not just about superior customer loyalty and satisfaction either. At its peak, Blackberry saw incredible customer loyalty as well. However, Blackberry never saw people position its phones at the center of their lives like they do with iPhone.

On the contrary, many people were so tied into their RIM smartphone that the term "Crackberry" was common.

Not to mention the millions of Palm addicts, many in the US. Overseas I'm much less familiar with, but Europe had its Nokia smartphones and Japan was addicted to smarter phones.

Smartphones were well on their way before the iPhone. That's why Apple wanted to get into the market. (Especially since more and more users were putting their music on their device. Jobs foresaw that eventually smartphones would replace iPods.)

 

[Gathomblipoob]

Voice recognition on my S7 is superb and I often compose text messages in the car with it.

Oddly enough, that's one of the things Siri does very well for me.

 

[silversin]

Finally no stupid Samsung logo on the front. I might jump ship.

 

[DimitriMissinne]

Nice phone! But it runs on Android... And I don't want to go back after my third year on the iOS side.

 

[Mercifull]

I think even hardcore iPhone owners would agree that Apple could easily shave a mm off the size bezels and maybe one day if the fingerprint sensor is embedded in the screen we'll lose most of the top and bottom but you NEED something to hold. That dead-space stops fingers from obscuring and activating parts of the screen. The Galaxy Edge, for example, looks stunning initially but after a few days of usage, you realise it warps the view of what's on screen and causes lots of issues when holding in-hand.

We should not applause the demise of bezels. We'll miss them when they're gone.


p.s. [inserting obligatory Samsung exploding joke]

 

[ariusbb]

I'll give Apple iMessage here. It's fantastic. I'm incredibly jealous of my wife's iPhone simply because of it, and no Android third party app can come close to it. Air Pods... LOL. Sorry, no. Car Play, no idea how good it is but rarely hear much on it. Apple Music is a joke compared to other services.

Maybe you should try Signal.
It integrates with SMS like iMessage, auto detects other users and it's the safest - encryption-wise application to use. Unfortunately Android users keep using mainly Whatsapp - but all of my friends are now on Signal...
Snowden uses Signal - so it has to be good!

 

[nia820]

I'm so conflicted now.

 

[I7guy]

On the contrary, many people were so tied into their RIM smartphone that the term "Crackberry" was common.

Not to mention the millions of Palm addicts, many in the US. Overseas I'm much less familiar with, but Europe had its Nokia smartphones and Japan was addicted to smarter phones.

Smartphones were well on their way before the iPhone. That's why Apple wanted to get into the market. (Especially since more and more users were putting their music on their device. Jobs foresaw that eventually smartphones would replace iPods.)

People positioned their blackberry at the center of their 24x7 work lives not personal lives, imo.(speaking as a former crackberry)

 

[newdeal]

Couldn't agree more, I have zero plans to upgrade iPhone yearly or even every other year now. Apple doesn't support the hardware they put into their devices. IOS is buggy and slow, feels very unfinished and gives you barebones to work with. Time for a complete overhaul.. Don't need new hardware when nothing release pushes the current.

yeah and I am not talking about artificial limitations placed on software when the hardware can support it like not being able to access siri with older devices or many of the other things apple has excluded from older devices that could have supported it (as evidenced by jailbreak tweaks enabling those features on older devices and it working just fine). I am talking about real software innovation that pushes the limits of existing hardware

 

[Radon87000]

There is always someone that does something first is the point. Others make variations on a theme. Look at the auto industry for an example.

And Sharp wasn't the one who did it first is the point. By eliminating the bezels Samsung didn't copy Sharp

They still all look like an iphone is the point. Just like a BMW looks like a BMW for the last 50 years.

Nope. A BMW from 50 years ago looks miles different than the current ones.

The definition of "bloat" has morphed a bit from the original defintion and has become any app I/you/we don't want. Apple let's you uninstall a bunch of apps and you'll save a couple of bytes here an there.

Bloat is crap ware which the user doesn't want and can't be uninstalled. Apple's apps on iOS fit the textbook definition of bloat

You mean rumors. But one still doesn't know the exact parts and from which manufacturers.

What are we discussing again?

All I know is that OLED is a virtual certainty and I am ready to bet on it and the only one capable is mass production is the industry leader Samsung

 

[I7guy]

And Sharp wasn't the one who did it first is the point. By eliminating the bezels Samsung didn't copy Sharp

It's more copying than not.

Nope. A BMW from 50 years ago looks miles different than the current ones.

Sure, buts it's instantly recognizable as a BMW.

Bloat is crap ware which the user doesn't want and can't be uninstalled. Apple's apps on iOS fit the textbook definition of bloat

Bloatware is crap the cell phone companies used to out on your phone to make money. That is the textbook definition of bloat. Apps the manufacturer installs on the phone that don't sell services that are part of the ecosystem is not bloat. But sure your definition can be anything and Apple has provided the means to remove apps. To some people the phone app is bloatware I guess.

All I know is that OLED is a virtual certainty and I am ready to bet on it and the only one capable is mass production is the industry leader Samsung

But that is different than exactly who are apples suppliers and what is the exact part number.

 

[McCool71]

While the Galaxy phones themselves are nice, the biggest problem with them when you compare directly to iPhone is the lack of support.

It still amazes me this doesn't get brought up more. It's a huge factor when comparing like for like.

Because it is largely a non-issue. People don't buy a phone based on what the OS might offer 3-4 years down the road. Also apps on Android are very rarely dependent on the latest OS version - you can install almost every single brand new app today on a 4 year old non-updated Android phone and it will work as it should.