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Samsung Investing $4 Billion in Austin, Texas to Boost Smartphone Processor Production
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While that was a link of some clone, it was not the link to the clones Samsung itself has made. I didn't have that one handy. Yes it has made clones.Are you claiming that Samsung is making that clone?
It sure sounds like it. If you bothered to look at what else you can buy on that website you'd see clones of various Samsung phones too.
Yup, samsung is going to make a clone/knock off of their own product.
Because the US has export restrictions on certain manufacture processes and our latest generations of technology. If a microchip is developed using either a manufacturing process that is only available in the US, then the factory needs to be built here. Also, if it's above a certain performance level, the microchips aren't allowed to even leave the US once manufactured (if they are US designed). This is why you will often see on very high end computers that it was assembled in the US, even though many of the parts were sourced from other nations; we don't even let some of the most powerful processors out of the country.
Some of you may remember several years ago when the G4 processor was introduced. The US had to update it's classifications of what a Supercomputer was because the G4 processor fell into that category and those chips were initially not allowed to leave the country. Once updated, though, they were able to be exported in computers to other parts of the world.
What hole? Owning politicians is about fatter profit margins, not about jobs. The jobs are primarily generated by demand not the companies that service the demand.
The "job creator" stuff is more "Texas two step hooey" than anything that has grounding in economic facts.
Is the shadow of I guess a cloud in the left lower corner a representation of the patent wars and Apple approaching...?
More jobs, more tax revenue, manufacturing that would otherwise be done outside the US. There really aren't any too many negatives in this deal.
I don't particularly like Perry, but things have been better economically in Texas than in others, so the state is doing something right.
Even if they reduce jobs the Austin area already has a massive shortage of people in those fields so it not like they are hurting.
Since this current depression happen Texas has had 4 of the top 10 areas time and time again for places to find work and at one point they controlled 3 or 4 of the top 5.
Those 4 are DFW, Houston, El Paso and San Antonio/Austin, Pretty much the max Texas can have as they are out of major cities at that point.
As long as it creates jobs.. .who cares? Austin is booming right now and it's not because more money is being pushed into welfare.
Korean company bringing jobs to America.
American company sending jobs to China.
America backs up American company.
Irony!
American company sending jobs to China.
America backs up American company.
Irony!
Not really a new thing though. For a long time many GM cars were made by Daewoo/GM Korea and sold as various GM brands in America and many Hyundais were made and sold in America.
To make it more complicated, I believe some GM cars were at least in part designed in Korea and some Hyundais were partly designed in the USA.
Fabricating SOC's requires more expertise from the average employee. This asks for a higher wage.
Simply manufacturing the phone itself requires less skilled labor which allows for lower wages.
Yes, that's what much of the general public don't realise about Apple.
Apart from a fancy case and keyboard and some software, Apple Don't hardly actually make anything. They just use the tech other companies make.
I'd have FAR FAR more respect for them as a company if they designed and built their own hardware such as Samsung does.
Guys.... before you respond to Puevlo... go look up threads created by him and see how many made it to the Wasteland. He just really likes to troll.
Many people on here would like to see Apple break ties with Samsung, yet they ignore that Samsung makes some great ssds, and in the other thread people equate a Samsung display to winning the panel lottery. Would it really be that great if Apple moved away from a company with extremely reliable fabrications out of spite?
Doesn't Apple actually design most of their own stuff? Take that A5 chip for example, I believe Apple actually designs the chip (architecture) whereas Samsung simply manufactures it.
No one's giving away anything. This is just trade: money for parts.
The fact is that no other company on earth has been able to match Samsung's yields without raising the defect rate. TSMC keep trying, but thus far their best effort still raises defects to levels that don't meet Apple's needs for efficient production.
This is not simple stuff. Samsung has a good process, which is why Apple continues to use them.
TSMC's fab issues are well known, but can you cite something regarding Samsung's yields? (especially on equivalent processes)
I would hazard a guess and think not. Computer designers (jonny ive) and chip makers are a polar ends of any spectrum you care to imagine.
I'm sure Apple sit down with them, discuss what they'd "like" the chip to incorporate what changes they would "like" to see made and what they would "like" it to be able to do.
Possibly I'd even expect making tech suggestions along the way (many brains working together)
But I'm certain It's more an Apple want/wish list that the chip makers can yes yes we can do that, or no it's not possible.
You may spec the car you want, and perhaps ask for more doors, but you don't test it's structurally sound, forge the steel panels, and weld them together.
Not quite but kind of. GM and Daewoo were financially tied together. GM has also done business with Toyota. The Cavalier was a Corolla and the Pontiac Vibe was a Toyota Matrix. Toyota does this also with Subaru; the BRZ being a Subaru and a Scion.
This issue here is American companies are outsourcing saying its too expensive to do business in America, yet other countries are outsourcing TO America. Something here isn't right?
It's not how things work. Both Apple and Samsung license ARM IP. They both get major design parts from ARM and Imagination Technologies. Apple uses ARM's CPU and Imagination Technologies' GPU. Samsung uses both CPU and GPU designed by ARM. They also license and use some other smaller chip components etc.). Both companies then design so called SOC (system on chip) using these components. Then Samsung manufacturers both its own SOCs and Apple's SOCs (A5 etc.). In case of SOC, one can say that real heavy lifting is done by ARM and Imagination Technologies.
Samsung actually does a lot more chip design that Apple does. They design and manufacturer lots more than SOCs for phones. They do RAM, flash memory chips, camera sensors etc.
Apple does not design the architecture for Ax chips. It's ARM architecture.
The comparison is off though because the industry isn't the same one. Samsung isn't making mobile phones, laptops or TVs in the USA. They are making chips and as others have mentioned in this thread, other chip makers such as Intel and AMD already have plants in the USA. Plus Samsung is getting a tax break as well.
It's not just Apple. HP, Dell, Google, Motorola, Microsoft, etc, all make their mass produced goods overseas.
My misunderstanding. I was under the impression that Apple designed the architecture (obviously based on ARM) in-house. I had read about them acquiring "Palo Alto Semiconductor", and about that guy Jim Keller (Who used to QB for the Bills I believe) who was working on developing the Ax chips in-house who ended up jumping ship for AMD. I don't follow Apples business functions that closely. Just a fan.
Obviously Samsung designs and manufactures more chips than Apple... Apple is not in the Chip business. But to say apple designs nothing is not true. They simply do not manufacture. But then again, neither do MS, Google, Dell, Amazon and a slew of other successful, respectable companies who contribute plenty.
Oh, and I'm kidding about the Jim Kelly / Buffalo comment (before I get ripped).