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You asked me to provide proof of me correcting another poster that the A8 doesn't have a headphone jack.

I was going to use the word ‘Deflection’ in my reply to you, but I don’t think that’s appropriate, I think you need to re-read the previous post(s), not including the poster that you quoted, simply because you misconstrued some information that you posted was completely inaccurate and not relevant to my replies, which seemingly you won’t admit your own fault, but I can accept that in light you were called out for something you couldn’t prove otherwise.
 
I was going to use the word ‘Deflection’ in my reply to you, but I don’t think that’s appropriate, I think you need to re-read the previous post(s), not including the poster that you quoted, simply because you misconstrued some information that you posted was completely inaccurate and not relevant to my replies, which seemingly you won’t admit your own fault, but I can accept that in light you were called out for something you couldn’t prove otherwise.
Just admit to yourself that you fell for it.
I didn't misconstrue anything. I am perfectly aware that the article is about the A8s. All the information I posted was accurate.

I correctly pointed out that another poster was wrong in stating the A8 didn't have a headphone jack.
Then I complied by providing the information you asked me for. I asked you to show an image of the A8 without a headphone jack and you provided an incorrect image. I replied that was not an A8, and still the penny didn't drop.
 
I am perfectly aware that the article is about the A8s.

This discussion is exhausted, I gather you inadvertently tried to hide that you posted information about the A8 thinking I wouldn’t notice the differences between the A8s, and I requested factual information, which you didn’t provide. Thanks for the discussion.
 
This discussion is exhausted, I gather you inadvertently tried to hide that you posted information about the A8 thinking I wouldn’t notice the differences between the A8s, and I requested factual information, which you didn’t provide. Thanks for the discussion.
I never inadvertently tried to hide anything. I deliberately provided information about the A8 as you asked me to.

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Galaxy A8 has a 3.5mm headphone jack.
Then provide a source for your claim versus making one like a previous poster did. As multiple sources have stated it does _not_ have one and pictures indicate it doesn’t in addition. If it includes the 3.5 Jack, providing a source would clear the constant confusion others are consistently making without validation, which includes your post.
You misread the post you quoted. The poster did not claim that the A8s has a 3.5 jack. They accurately claimed that the A8 does, in response to a poster who claimed that the A8 does not. You asked for a source, and they provided one, proving that the A8, not the A8s, does indeed have a 3.5 jack. "I stand corrected." would be an appropriate post at this point.
 
It's just marketing; they invoke what will resonate with their target customers when criticizing competing products even while having similar products in development. Apple did the same thing back in the days before they were king and would probably do so again if it were in their interest. Taking the smug moral high ground on this is relatively silly...but still satisfying.
 
Touch ID has never really been flawless for me anyways.

Same here. FaceID hasnt been flawless either. The hybrid of the 2 would be the perfect combination. I rest my iPhone more often then not flat on a table work or when I'm at dinner. Perhaps when FaceID can detect faces at an angle, its value proposition would increase a lot.
 
Same here. FaceID hasnt been flawless either. The hybrid of the 2 would be the perfect combination. I rest my iPhone more often then not flat on a table work or when I'm at dinner. Perhaps when FaceID can detect faces at an angle, its value proposition would increase a lot.
Perhaps. I might be biased because my iPad is typically on a stand facing me.

I am not sure what you mean by a hybrid of the two though. You mean a phone having both Face ID and Touch ID, with the user having the liberty of using whichever is more convenient at any one time?
 
That is your anecdotal observation. Other people have other anecdotal observations. Like for some people Touch ID is an anecdotal failure...

Cool. Yeah my argument against the original anecdote was my anecdote. I'm open to hearing any other insights you have about anecdotes.
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I am not sure what you mean by a hybrid of the two though. You mean a phone having both Face ID and Touch ID, with the user having the liberty of using whichever is more convenient at any one time?

Yes. The screen itself can possibly be a gigantic touch sensor, or you might possibly have a hotspot on the screen that acts as the sensor. FaceID useful during those rainy days or when your hands are wet, and TouchID when you are deliberate.
 
Good grief people ... we’re all discussing the phone in the article with no headphone jack. If people are forgetting the “s” moniker it’s irrelevant to the topic. This is a huge pissing contest.
 
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I think the funniest thing about this thread are the number of people comparing headphones as if these changes mean you can't use your headphones anymore and must use something wireless. It's ridiculous.

News flash: I haven't been able to use a serial port or Firewire on my laptop for some time without an adapter.

There comes a point where critical mass isn't there anymore—or in Apple's case, they often nudge the market forward (iMacs going USB-only, new MacBooks going USB-C, no floppy, etc.).

For you audiophiles who really care about dynamic range and whatever, great. I'm happy your hearing and listening is so refined. These companies care about your specific needs about as much as laptop makers care about the fact that I still have to use serial adapters to mess with old networking equipment from the console. I'm not barred from doing it, but I do have to carry adapters. This has been the story of electronic devices since... at least my entire life.


This argument has been repeatedly discredited. In the examples, you've given those ports and capabilities were replaced by better ports and/or capabilities.

The headphone jack is as universal to sound and other components as a doorknob, steering wheel, computer monitor to a door, vehicle, or computer, respectively. Gimping phones by removing the headphone jack and replacing it with a "dongle" or Bluetooth only makes the UX more cumbersome because now they have to manage another set of batteries and accessories that were not there before.

Now, you'll tell me about the joys of going completely wireless. I was on a 4-hour flight and my headphones ran out of juice. I had to stop listening to my device and charge them so as not to disturb other passengers. Another example of the joy of all BT/dongle life, I was at work and wanted to listen to a podcast without disturbing anyone else. Oh wait, I left my trusty dongle in my other work bag. Oh no! But the iPod Classic that I have in my desk along with a ... wait for it ... wired headphones didn't let me down. I listened to 1,000s of songs without EVER needing the headphones to be charged or dongled!.

The only reason why these companies are doing this is to generate other streams of income with the sales of dongles, licensing agreements, and expensive BT headphones.
 
This argument has been repeatedly discredited. In the examples, you've given those ports and capabilities were replaced by better ports and/or capabilities.

The headphone jack is as universal to sound and other components as a doorknob, steering wheel, computer monitor to a door, vehicle, or computer, respectively. Gimping phones by removing the headphone jack and replacing it with a "dongle" or Bluetooth only makes the UX more cumbersome because now they have to manage another set of batteries and accessories that were not there before.

Now, you'll tell me about the joys of going completely wireless. I was on a 4-hour flight and my headphones ran out of juice. I had to stop listening to my device and charge them so as not to disturb other passengers. Another example of the joy of all BT/dongle life, I was at work and wanted to listen to a podcast without disturbing anyone else. Oh wait, I left my trusty dongle in my other work bag. Oh no! But the iPod Classic that I have in my desk along with a ... wait for it ... wired headphones didn't let me down. I listened to 1,000s of songs without EVER needing the headphones to be charged or dongled!.

The only reason why these companies are doing this is to generate other streams of income with the sales of dongles, licensing agreements, and expensive BT headphones.
Samsung will benefit from BT headphones as they own an audio company.
Apple benefit from all three reasons because they use a proprietary port.

Owners of the first Airpods will soon be seeing their battery life degrading to the point of disposal and repurchase.
Benefits of on and over ear BT headphones is that they often have a jack lead as an option. And battery replacement may be possible.
 
To each their own. I find FaceID to be frustrating and functionally inferior to TouchID. Having to look at the phone, have it vertical, and then an additional swipe to unlock is slow and failure prone. It'll improve but it's currently a gimmick.

For most day to day use cases I find actually holding my phone in my hand and pointing the screen towards my face so I can see it benificial.

It’s a novel way to use a device, I know...

It’s benifits for many far outweigh the ‘inconvenience’ of not being able to unlock your phone while it’s still in your pocket.
 
For most day to day use cases I find actually holding my phone in my hand and pointing the screen towards my face so I can see it benificial.

It’s a novel way to use a device, I know...

It’s benifits for many far outweigh the ‘inconvenience’ of not being able to unlock your phone while it’s still in your pocket.
I think what the OP was saying was that with TouchID, they could open a phone lying on a desk and scan the notifications when outwith the scanning range of FaceID, without using your novel method of "holding my phone in my hand and pointing the screen towards my face" :)
 
The only reason why these companies are doing this is to generate other streams of income with the sales of dongles, licensing agreements, and expensive BT headphones.

I wouldn’t say it’s the only reason but the primary reason. I definitely feel this is the big elephant in the room that many people are oblivious to. I do feel technologists have good intentions, but the purpose is to drive revenue.
 
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Samsung will benefit from BT headphones as they own an audio company.
Apple benefit from all three reasons because they use a proprietary port.

Owners of the first Airpods will soon be seeing their battery life degrading to the point of disposal and repurchase.
Benefits of on and over ear BT headphones is that they often have a jack lead as an option. And battery replacement may be possible.
Which bt headphones, exactly, have an option for battery replacement? And what would they cost.
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I wouldn’t say it’s the only reason but the primary reason. I definitely feel this is the big elephant in the room that many people are oblivious to. I do feel technologists have good intentions, but the purpose is to drive revenue.
I did buy Bose qc II headphones so I could be more comfortable on coast to coast flights which are six hours.

Is the headphone dongle somehow related to my purchase?
 
This argument has been repeatedly discredited. In the examples, you've given those ports and capabilities were replaced by better ports and/or capabilities.

The headphone jack is as universal to sound and other components as a doorknob, steering wheel, computer monitor to a door, vehicle, or computer, respectively. Gimping phones by removing the headphone jack and replacing it with a "dongle" or Bluetooth only makes the UX more cumbersome because now they have to manage another set of batteries and accessories that were not there before.

Now, you'll tell me about the joys of going completely wireless. I was on a 4-hour flight and my headphones ran out of juice. I had to stop listening to my device and charge them so as not to disturb other passengers. Another example of the joy of all BT/dongle life, I was at work and wanted to listen to a podcast without disturbing anyone else. Oh wait, I left my trusty dongle in my other work bag. Oh no! But the iPod Classic that I have in my desk along with a ... wait for it ... wired headphones didn't let me down. I listened to 1,000s of songs without EVER needing the headphones to be charged or dongled!.

The only reason why these companies are doing this is to generate other streams of income with the sales of dongles, licensing agreements, and expensive BT headphones.
I personally find USB C headphone adapter a pain in the @rse. I use SkyGo and Netflix to watch TV on my tablet when I'm the gym. I use my headphones directly into the tablet jack. When I want to listen to music later, I found getting the adapter to use on my phone out of my kit bag an inconvenience. So now I just use my Fiio music player instead. I liked the convenience of Spotify on my older phone. I got a much better deal on Huawei P20 Pro than would have got with Samsung or LG ergo the lack of jack.. Also headphone jack is a very rugged connector and has never failed on any portable gear I have had in over 40 years.
 
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This argument has been repeatedly discredited. In the examples, you've given those ports and capabilities were replaced by better ports and/or capabilities.

The headphone jack is as universal to sound and other components as a doorknob, steering wheel, computer monitor to a door, vehicle, or computer, respectively. Gimping phones by removing the headphone jack and replacing it with a "dongle" or Bluetooth only makes the UX more cumbersome because now they have to manage another set of batteries and accessories that were not there before.

Now, you'll tell me about the joys of going completely wireless. I was on a 4-hour flight and my headphones ran out of juice. I had to stop listening to my device and charge them so as not to disturb other passengers. Another example of the joy of all BT/dongle life, I was at work and wanted to listen to a podcast without disturbing anyone else. Oh wait, I left my trusty dongle in my other work bag. Oh no! But the iPod Classic that I have in my desk along with a ... wait for it ... wired headphones didn't let me down. I listened to 1,000s of songs without EVER needing the headphones to be charged or dongled!.

The only reason why these companies are doing this is to generate other streams of income with the sales of dongles, licensing agreements, and expensive BT headphones.

I was on a four hour flight and ... wait for it ... my wireless headphones lasted the entire flight! Because knowing I was going on a four hour flight, I made sure my headphones had a full charge. The little bit of effort made the experience much more enjoyable for me, and everyone around me. No more unplugging the wire spanning to the back of the seat in front of me, or removing me headphones to let a fellow passenger out. Of course the frequent flier next to me had a pair of BT headphones, with an optional wired cord, which they plugged into the headphones when their battery ran out. Best of both worlds. Of course the third person listening on wired earbuds, had his phone run out of juice, and had forgotten his charger. Oh no!

I was at work and wanted to listen to a podcast on my iPhone with a pair of wired headphones, but forgot my adapter at home. Oh wait, I have a $9 spare I keep at my desk for just such situations, just like I keep a spare charger and power adapter and lightning cable and USB-C cable and every other thing required for modern living. Of course, I also have an old iPod in my desk, and a pair of wired headphones I use for critical listening for my job. Unfortunately, since I never use it, it always needs to be plugged in to use it, and of course ... wait for it ... I don’t really ever have a spare USB port to plug it into, not to mention I have to be tethered to my desk when using it. Oh no!

But ... wait for it ... then I bought a pair of AirPods which don’t require an adapter at all, and allow me to leave my phone on my desk while I move about the office to do my job, and continue to listen to music uninterrupted! But eventually the battery started to run down. Oh no! But then I remembered I could charge one earbud at a time while I continued to use the other. So ... wait for it ... after half an hour, both EarPods were fully charged again, and I was able to listen uninterrupted to my podcast the entire time.

Perhaps these companies are doing all this out of greed, then again, hard to argue with the fact that listening to headphones has made life better, at least in these use cases.
 
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Which bt headphones, exactly, have an option for battery replacement? And what would they cost.

I didn't say they had the option of battery replacement. It may be possible if one has the skills, to open a pair and replace the batteries if they are a standard type. Or available on Ebay. Not possible with ear bud types.
 
I was inquiring if there were options for the masses. Seemingly not.
I was inquiring if there were options for the masses. Seemingly not.
Senheisser can be replaced by Senheisser according to a discussion I came across. But not making cells user replaceable on over ear headphones really is anti consumer. There are no requirements for water resistance etc . A YouTube video showed they are soldered in. Lots of LG Samsung phones etc had replaceable cells when backs were removable.
 
what car do you have, all my cars have wireless key fob that i keep in my jacket with press start. comparing airpod to car key is literally the worst example.
not really, because I don't even have a car that has a FOB. I still have a car (2015) that I put the key in the ignition to start. But just as you put your fob in your jacket, you can do the same with AirPods/case etc to secure them.
 
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