....and easy to spot when they fall out
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Samsung Leaks Upcoming AirPods Competitor 'Galaxy Buds'
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....and easy to spot when they fall out
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Seeing what the size of the battery in the AirPods is compared to the Jabra I think this is quite good.
The Jabra with the top score is the size of a bottle cap.
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The Bragi Dash barely worked and interconnected between the two buds. It was exciting as a prospect, but the execution was lackluster as a first attempt by a startup company usually is.
Hardly any copying there.
Many people might be ok with AirPods. I certainly don’t appreciate 150 earbuds that have pretty much the same quality and fit as the ones packed in. Prefer having the inconvenience of having a cable between the two earbuds and much much better sound quality for Bluetooth earbuds from other brands.
You are missing the point. I am not talking about copying. Samsung had watches and phones before Apple. What part of my post is wrong? Samsung never had the sales of its watch, since folks were not impressed with it. Samsung could have improved the watch and have a big jump on Apple. But Samsung squandered the opportunity and now they are making a round Apple Watch. That is as plain as the nose on your face. Don’t be offended because you are one of the Force......embrace it......the the Force flow through you......lol
Who cares about sales? we're talking about technological advancement of technology.
the whole industry "stands on the shoulders of giants".
you don't get to handwave away technological innovation because it didn't sell well.
your post is absolute ridiculousness.
You also don't comprehend my original post or think I am some kind of Apple fan.
My original post was simple, I said I thought Apple's W1 chip would continue to give them an advantage in Bluetooth communications. For example, they have some Beats headsets that get close to 30 hours of use, double most other manufacturers.
I don't use any Apple Bluetooth headphones or earbuds, I don't like them. I use Bose wireless headphones, but I wish Apple would share their W1 chip because I have a feeling it's a superior Bluetooth communications device that gives them an advantage … which is why they will probably never license it.
The W1 is a technological advancement of technology, which creates a more compelling and valuable product. This is part of the reason why AirPods sell so well. I get your ultimate point, but I have a hard time considering a product a technological advancement just because it is released first. If the product itself is junk or it doesn’t really push the product type further, is it really that impressive of a feat?
While I agree on the concept of judgement, you know why people do people AirPods, right? Just to show off. Plus Apple nowdays considers itself as a fashion company. So if its a bad fashion design, why is it judgmental to say that AirPods are DB looking.
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Are you serious? All iPhones are using Samsung display. Without Samsung display, you won't be having iPhones.. how about that?
Bragi Dash was the first true wireless earbuds. No interconnect. Charging case. Introduced early 2015 (released later same year). Apple released AirPods in December 2016. It took them two years to "copy". Well, hardware obviously was not copied but the idea was.
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What's so special about W1? Nothing. It's just a chip. All earbuds have them. Apple added a little bit there to help software with pairing but the advantage is rally minor (only for initial pairing).
If you have read the reviews of the various earbuds, one common problem seems to be dropping of Bluetooth connection. I don’t know how Apple does it, but my airpods connection with my iphone and Apple Watch has been rock solid.
I don’t know if this is to be attributed to the W1 chip, but I feel there are a lot of “intangibles” that the airpods simply isn’t being credited enough with. It’s been more than 2 years since the AirPods has been released, and it’s telling that nobody else has been able to release a variant that clearly leapfrogs the airpods in terms of features or functionality. Yes, some of them might do better than the airpods in one area, but it invariably comes at the expense of functionality in other areas.
I think that’s why I continue to use Apple products. They aren’t perfect, but they somehow manage to always get the core experience just right, to the point where users are willing to overlook all the other flaws.
Those look “stupid,” but Apple’s AirPods are the cats pajamas? AirPods rank as one of the worst aesthetic design choices in the history of Apple.
Apple come out with what? Samsung came out with a smartwatch 2 years before Apple did. It was called the Galaxy Gear. You're thinking of the Galaxy Watch, which came out in fall of 2018. It, the Galaxy Gear, operated on Android before moving to Tizen. After that, the Gear 2 came out, then the Gear S, the Gear S2, Gear S3, and then the current Galaxy Watch is the successor to that line. Apple didn't come out with it first.
Samsung owns Harman Kardon, AKG and a variety of well known audio companies. These companies had been producing wireless earbuds for years for both low, mid and high market price points.
You got the home smart speaker part correct, but I doubt the Galaxy Home is locked to OEM specific services. And even then, I suspect the take rate of smart home speakers is small compared to other devices.
Custom designed chip, not just an off the shelf, better balancing and syncing, instant pairing, no dropped connections, and much better battery life.
Even more so, Apple didn't invest any more money in fancy codecs to deliver a quality audio signal. Bluetooth version has little bearing on quality if you don't intent to maximize the bandwidth. Play FLAC files on an iPhone, presuming it can, and listen to the quality on AirPods vs. the Shure SE535s. The SE535's run on an older variant of Bluetooth but sound better. Still not as good as the $50 cheaper SE535s that are wired; $499 vs. $450.
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Balancing at what? Audio signal? That has more to do with how the music was mastered. Syncing? Do you mean delays in one bud? Are there any reviews you can point to in competitions' products that outline this issue? No dropped connections? There are threads and posts on this very site where people state they've experienced dropped connections with AirPods. Might you explain that? Better battery life according to whom? Did you miss the chart posted earlier in the thread where Airpods ranked in the bottom ten of battery life?
https://www.soundguys.com/bose-soundsport-free-review-16291/
Yea someone pointed out the watch. I had just never heard of it or seen anyone with one so it kind of slipped my mind. I haven’t seen any Samsung truly wireless buds so I guess I missed that too. It’s more so the entire ecosystem that they are trying to mimic from Apple, but I certainly can’t blame them for trying.
Apart from it being mentioned constantly over the years on this site and in smart tech articles? Did you also miss the commercials Samsung had running on television? Newspaper and magazine ads? Radio commercials? What ecosystem mimic? Samsung already has the Android ecosystem. Samsung puts their own twist on top of Android and that's it. LG does that, Xiaomi does that, Motorola does that, etc. Do you mean the Samsung app store? They're not the only OEM to do that. Apple copied Microsoft's original Marketplace and successor, The Windows Store, for its app store that sells OSX/macOS software on.
Amazon is the king of ebooks. Would it shock you if I told you that Sony had an e-book store over eight years before Amazon opened one? And about the same time for an e-book reader?
Even more so, Apple didn't invest any more money in fancy codecs to deliver a quality audio signal. Bluetooth version has little bearing on quality if you don't intent to maximize the bandwidth. Play FLAC files on an iPhone, presuming it can, and listen to the quality on AirPods vs. the Shure SE535s. The SE535's run on an older variant of Bluetooth but sound better. Still not as good as the $50 cheaper SE535s that are wired; $499 vs. $450.
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Balancing at what? Audio signal? That has more to do with how the music was mastered. Syncing? Do you mean delays in one bud? Are there any reviews you can point to in competitions' products that outline this issue? No dropped connections? There are threads and posts on this very site where people state they've experienced dropped connections with AirPods. Might you explain that? Better battery life according to whom? Did you miss the chart posted earlier in the thread where Airpods ranked in the bottom ten of battery life?
https://www.soundguys.com/bose-soundsport-free-review-16291/
Balancing and syncing between individual buds. I’ve read of issues with some initial truly wireless buds that came out, but I believe they were prior to AirPods. I haven’t had any issues with dropped connections so I can’t speak to that. Better battery life for the size and the time they were released. Since then there have definitely been improvements by a lot of the products listed here. Some of these are full sized over the ear headphones too so that is to be expected, but for the battery size and price, AirPods are one of the best when it comes to battery life. Especially when they came out a couple years ago. That was the point of my original post, they were technologically advanced at the time and pushed the product category forward.
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Yea I never heard anything about them. Apparently they were pretty crappy from what I read about them recently though. The Apple ecosystem, multiple products vertically integrated that all work really well together. A bunch of products from a bunch of different companies doesn’t benefit Samsung, that’s what they are trying to change. I am not really sure what the rest of your post is getting at, but the Galaxy ecosystem Samsung is trying to create is relatively new (Galaxy phones, Galaxy watch, Galaxy buds, Galaxy home). I certainly don’t blame them for trying to copy Apple in this regard, it’s in their long term advantage and the only way they can control their own destiny (aside from the Android part).
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I'm asking for links to reviews where they found and retested this problem. That's funny because others, not you, have claimed AirPods were the first truly wireless earbuds. Wouldn't your post suggest Apple copied the design of truly wireless earbuds from other manufacturers and made the AirPods? And if so, wouldn't that suggest your initial argument against the Galaxy Buds being a copy of the AirPods be false?
Fine. That's alright, but you should have stated you personally hadn't had problems with AirPods dropping connection and not make a blanket statement and say that AirPods never drop connection. Apple uses some proprietary tech in the AirPods, but nothing will overcome the shortfalls Bluetooth has, some of which can cause dropped connections.
It's like saying Apple invented AirDrop. They invented a name. It's BLE.
Won't argue this. This is a given. But battery life at the cost of... what exactly? Unless Apple came up with a new battery tech, they're skimping on something.
Some of those products came out around the time of the Airpods or just months after. Some of those are 2nd gen products by that company for that line. I recognize one of those products as having come out at the end of February 2017, a few months after the AirPods came out. Over-ear clip buds, but true wireless. It would be one thing to suggest they stole IP from Apple to get it out the door, but it's more plausible the R&D behind wireless buds isn't as sophisticated as Apple makes it out to be, but some of their buyers eat it up.
I’m not going to go reading a bunch of reviews to point out issues, I’m just not that invested. I am not sure what you’re getting at with that first question, the AirPods don’t ripoff any previous design and I wasn’t really saying anything about design. Just releasing a truly wireless bud into their new Galaxy ecosystem. I can really only go by what I’ve experienced or people I know with AirPods have experienced, I just have always heard from those with them that they are much better when it comes to a connection than standard Bluetooth. I think Apple created a custom chip that has much better power management than standard Bluetooth, but I can’t really speak to the engineering aspect on Apple’s end. Yea there are products with better battery life, but they are typically newer and bigger. Again, my point was really about the new ecosystem that Samsung is trying to mimic from Apple. Again, don’t blame them. They have to try to get in this space.
The first car, toilet, indoor plumbing, bra, jock strap, football helmet, etc, etc, probably sucked also. What's your point. Again, the argument isn't weather it sucked or not, it's the constant incorrect repeating of who was first with these items. I personally don't care who was first, it's just kind of tiring seeing repeated statements that are false and then the goalpost is moved when that is pointed out.
ps. both sides do it.
My post was a response about why AirPods were a technological advancement. My point was that just because you get something out of the door, doesn’t make it a compelling product that moves that product category forward. That’s what I consider a technological advancement.
Wait. Wait a second. You say you've never heard anything about them. Earlier you made a claim that Samsung copied Apple's iWatch with the Galaxy Wach. In the same two sentences here you say you'd never heard of them but then go onto say they were pretty crappy from what you had recently read about them.
Fair enough. But if you had recently read about them, why not say that from the start? Why did you post that Samsung are merely copying Apple? When the reality is Apple copied Samsung because Samsung had a watch before Apple did. You stated you knew about them and also didn't know about them, but had recently read reviews on all of them with the base notion that they're all crap. Why did you choose to knowingly make a false claim that Samsung is copying Apple?
What's so hard about saying "Apple wasn't the first smartwatch maker. Samsung was, however, Samsung's earlier attempts through their Galaxy Gear line weren't as good. Apple probably took note of this and came out with a better smart watch, the iWatch.
You mean iOS and macOS? iOS being a neutered version of macOS? You're blurring the lines comparing it to Android. You've got Android, it has no connection with Windows. If Microsoft was the developer of Android, your argument may carry more weight.
If Apple is focused on providing multiple products in a walled-in garden (their words, not mine) isn't it obvious that most things will work seamlessly most of the time?
No, it isn't that. The AirPods can work on Android, too. They aren't locked down to iOS. Samsung owns a variety of audio companies. Why didn't they just rename them to Samsung Audio? At the end of the day, Samsung doesn't restrict other services from being used on their products. At the end of the day, I'm not stuck with Siri or a neutered version of Google's AI assistant. I can use Bixby, Cortana, Alexa and Google's AI if I want.
Who apart from Samsung and Apple have made smartwatches? Fossil? They were a relic that got bought up by Google. Will you say the same if Google comes out with their Pixel line of smartwatches?
Galaxy as a brand has been around since 2009. If you had done some research, you'd know this by now. The first Galaxy phone came out in 2009. The Galaxy S came out a year later. More Galaxy S phones came out each year after. Galaxy Note came out in 2011. The Galaxy A series phones came out in 2014.
Samsung is an OEM.
Galaxy is a brand they have. They make a lot more than just the Galaxy S~ line of phones. They've made and still make a breadth of phones and devices under that name.
The Galaxy Buds and Home are new, I'll give you that. They're not the first true wireless buds, and by your own admission, neither are the AirPods. The Galaxy Home is new, but it's just a bluetooth speaker with AI/assistant.
Galaxy Home comes with Bixby, and I'm certain it'll eventually come with Google Assistant or be able to communicate with it due to Google and Samsung's close partnership. It's also an AKG speaker. It'll likely sound very good. I'm sure Harman Kardon or JBL varieties will come out later.
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In what way? You effectively stated true wireless buds that had come out before the AirPods weren't as good, which may or may not be true in terms of their audio quality. How can AirPods be a technological advancement? Syncing problems begone? Few dropped connections begone?
Going from wired wireless buds (such as the Shure SE535s) to true wireless buds is a technological advancement. However, if Apple wasn't the first according to your own words, then what's so amazing about the AirPods?
I never heard anything about them when it came out. Someone posted an article somewhere in this thread that went over how crappy it was. The Galaxy ecosystem they are working to create feels like a desperate mimic of Apple’s, that’s all. You don’t have to agree, but these responses are exhausting. Samsung may have come out with a smart watch earlier, but it was junk. Just throwing parts together (to me) to create a crappy product isn’t all that impressive. I wouldn’t imagine Apple saw the Samsung device though and all of a sudden got to work on theirs. Yes the Galaxy brand has been around with phones for years, this new Galaxy ecosystem is new though - buds, watch, home. I answered the question about what made the AirPods a technological advancement a few posts up.
Kind of done with this chat though. We don’t have the same opinion, that’s cool. No big deal. Glad you’re hyped on the Galaxy product line though.
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You stated the wireless buds that came before the AirPod weren't as good. The discussion was about true wireless buds. How can Apple have come up with the concept of wireless buds if it existed before then? Also, if they're so advanced, why was the first non-Apple product on the market two months after the AirPods went to market?
From the very first post where you made a claim that was proven to be false, which you went and backtracked on claiming you had prior knowledge through reviews you'd recently read, you have consistantly lied, and lied again to cover your inability to do any basic research. If you had, you'd know the Galaxy line is over a decade old at this point and it isn't "relatively new."
If Apple created a custom chip, then why is it using Bluetooth as a connection medium? The AirPods are lacking in something to be able to run 3 hours on a quick 15 minutes of charge. To give you an idea, the Sure SE535 in Bluetooth form operate for just over 2 hours on a quick 15 minute charge, too. The difference is they're higher quality than the AirPods and have a wire. The W-1 chip is an additional chip on top of the Bluetooth chip in the device. It adds nothing to audio clarity as that is codecs based. It only benefits power consumption, and I'm sure it merely modulates power delivery to lengthen time in between charges.
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Then why not link it when making your argument? You've got a terrible habit of making statements and never backing them up or doing any research to show you know what you're talking about. The hell are you on? You just did it again. You just said the Galaxy Watch is new when the GALAXY WATCH is new but the Galaxy watches are not. They've been around since 2013. GALAXY GEAR watch.
You're going from ecosystem to software. Ecosystem are products. Software is software. Apple has a closed ecosystem. Samsung, does not. Their software isn't closed. Their ecosystem isn't closed. Desperately trying to mimic, pfft. If Samsung wanted to do that, they'd increase their phone prices by $400 and use old hardware in their devices.