Samsung Recalls New Galaxy Note7 Due to Exploding Batteries [Updated]

[SuperMatt]

I disagree with the whole "stealing from Apple, stealing from Android" debate. In college I did a whole presentation about a Ted speech I saw regarding the mobile industry.

My speech was about how grabbing "inspiration" from a trend setter isn't stealing and went on to how the styles people wear aren't thought up from nothing, they're pulled from another design, Day time running LEDs, you don't see auto manufactures suing each other because they're using LEDs instead of halogen bulbs for day time running lights, etc.

It's because the mobile industry is so new that they are suing because the market was so unstable on it's inception. Now that it's matured, Apple isn't as sue happy and neither are other companies that are proving successful. For example notice how Motorola is struggling and is now sue happy. Suing is a defense mechanism because of the fear of failure. They notice similarities and try to make it work in their favor. Granted there are obvious cases of theft and blatant infringements, but rounded corners.... an always on display... or using glass on the rear of the phone... seriously is that sue worthy? Take a look at HTCs iPhone clone, Apple doesn't care anymore, they know their place in the industry, the HTC clone isn't a threat. It doesn't incite any fear.

For me, I think we all draw inspiration and build off another idea. If I see a dude walking down the street and I'm like, that shirt is pretty damn cool, I'll find one similar to it and try and mimic his style with my own spin. Perhaps someone will see mine and do the same. When it comes to modding a car, same thing, building my PC and it's design, if I see someone with an AIO water cooler, I'm like, hell that's way easier than building a water cooler myself, I'll add that idea to my build.

Not once will you hear someone go... "you stole that from computerdude19874 on reddit"

Just my thoughts on the whole "stealing" thing.

I let all my Note 7 buddies know, they're all scared now haha. They're calling the carriers now to see if they can either return it for another phone or how they go about getting a recall exchange.

If you look at Samsung phones in 2007 and then 2008, they did a hell of a lot more than "grab inspiration" from the iPhone. That's why they were convicted of a crime. As far as more recent "innovations" on both sides, I agree. But this argument absolutely does not apply to phones that ripped off the extremely original ideas in the first iPhones.
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I have this beautiful Note 7 in my hand and it's just fine. I wish it would explode right next to my face, however because I'd be worth millions!

You've got to admit though Apple has really fallen behind in design. Huge bezel, old fashioned LCDs with poor resolution, and soon a missing headphone jack. Oh, but they will be thinner.

I'm not worried because Samsung will take care of customers. It's Asian culture to be the very best they can and fix mistakes right away. People in Samsung and suppliers will be held responsible. That's the difference between an American company and an Asian one. American firms have been screwing up for years (including Apple) and when it happens CEOs get bonuses instead of being fired or disciplined.

Yeah, Samsung is such an ethical corporate citizen:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/lee-...eeded-to-split-the-empire-among-themselves-10

 

[kdarling]

If you look at Samsung phones in 2007 and then 2008, they did a hell of a lot more than "grab inspiration" from the iPhone. That's why they were convicted of a crime.

No, they were not. Patent and trade dress infringement are not criminal offenses, but civil offenses. No one goes to jail.

Same goes for all the times that Apple has been found to infringe on patents.

Exploding is only a bit of hyperbole, no matter how one slices it, li-ion fires are terrible.

Yeah, tell me. The only fear I have while flying commercially these days, is that some idiot will pack a li-ion battery in their checked luggage, and the plane's hold will catch fire. There's no worse way to go. Reading the anonymous NASA pilot report forms is an eye opener. Airlines have found such smoking luggage just before take-off more than a few times.

hmm i wonder if the response would be so supportive if this were a story about Apple and exploding phones? nah. i think this site would be flooded w/ peopling going ape-**** over it.

You're right. And judging from recent history, much of the criticism would come from Apple fans who are mad at Tim Cook for (fill in the blank) reason. Everyone seems to have an opinion about what Apple should be concentrating on.

 

[vsytherin]

I just hope that those who use the phone are safe. Can't imagine what those affected are going through right now. Good on Samsung to be proactive and issue a recall right away. That was the right response.

 

[ikir]

I give props to Samsung for not hiding it and getting the problem solved.

What?

 

[Glideslope]

Yeah, tell me. The only fear I have while flying commercially these days, is that some idiot will pack a li-ion battery in their checked luggage, and the plane's hold will catch fire. There's no worse way to go. Reading the anonymous NASA pilot report forms is an eye opener. Airlines have found such smoking luggage just before take-off more than a few times.

Agreed. Definitely a forum to not spend much time on if you enjoy flight. By any chance do you fly (PPL?)

 

[tooltalk]

If you look at Samsung phones in 2007 and then 2008, they did a hell of a lot more than "grab inspiration" from the iPhone. That's why they were convicted of a crime. As far as more recent "innovations" on both sides, I agree. But this argument absolutely does not apply to phones that ripped off the extremely original ideas in the first iPhones.
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What crime are you talking about? Are you talking about the LG Prada smartphone design Apple copied from LG (LG never went to court)? Or you talking about the trade dress lawsuit Apple filed against Samsung, but was later reversed?

 

[needfx]

Do you control it in settings (detonate) ? Or do you need to use a "lighter" app ?

iGnite!!

 

[tooltalk]

What?

many companies, including Apple, deny and drag it out as long as possible to save their face, hoping that consumers would eventually forget and refresh their hardware. I remember when my rMacBook 2012 started crashing becaues of defective GPU, Apple looked away first -- and I had to pay for the repair. Apple did acknowledge the problem eventually, but it wasn't until 2015.

 

[CarlJ]

Just saying ....

"I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 10 YEARS LONGER THAN YOU"
Holy ****, calm your boner, I can argue I've been on the internet for 25 years so therefore my opinion matters more than yours. Unless you've ever been an Apple employee you still know literally nothing about how the company deals with this stuff

And if you had actually clicked through to the original posts instead of rushing to be outraged, you'd have seen that was in response to the OP saying "You just haven't been here long enough" to understand how things work around here. And we were talking about the relevancy of article content and the flow of discussion on MacRumors itself, so your comments about Apple employees and "how the company deals with this stuff" are completely missing the mark. But please, don't let trivial things like context or reading comprehension get in the way of your desire to be outraged.

FWIW, I didn't get on the Internet until 1993, so only 23 years ago, though I was on Usenet for many years before that; set up and maintained our company's UUCP connection. I wasn't saying my opinion mattered more, I was countering the suggestion I hadn't been around here - MacRumors - long enough to know how things worked on this site.

 

[dampfnudel]

Apple recalled the Beats speakers as soon as they acquired the brand so....
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Don't sit on your ****ing computer. There's your solution for your quote "touch disease". People put their 200 pound asses on their computers and it bends the logic board which connects everything. It's not a manufacturing problem, it's a problem with people treating their $900 devices like ****.

True, but what about previous iPhones. You know people were doing the same crap with their 5/5s. In particular with the iPhone 6 Plus, Apple should've taken the thinner, more bendable chassis of the prototype into consideration and realize from the start that strength and endurance is important. The confirmation that they "discovered" this came with the release of the 6s/6s Plus. I think you can agree that at the very least Apple should've known better, unless doing this would've shrunk Apple's margin or something to an "unacceptable" level. So Apple decided to roll the dice with this one.

 

[kdarling]

Agreed. Definitely a forum to not spend much time on if you enjoy flight. By any chance do you fly (PPL?)

Ha, I knew you must be a pilot from your forum name

I was just the flight test away from getting my license when I got esophageal cancer and had to stop. Never started again because of the hoops you have jump through to get back your medical, although it sure has crossed my mind.

For a while after recovering, I kept up a bit by learning to program addons for MSFS, including building my own sim avionics hardware. Of course, now you can buy that stuff online.

Btw, I have a huge collection of hundreds of historical slide rule flight computers and air navigation books dating back to 1907, including some extremely rare Zeppelin and Japanese aluminum models, and even prototypes. I've been slowly writing a book on them, as very few people are left who know all the equations and how they're actually designed into TAS, true altitude, etc slide rules. The Smithsonian asked me to help with their collection. I've even custom made a few of my own rules totally from scratch, along with a quite unique and easy to use automatic wind triangle computer that I really should finish and get a patent on.

One of our best friends has a Mooney and is now retired and putting together a homebuilt RV-3 in his garage.

Okay, enough, now I'm really missing flying. What about you? Fly much? How long?

Regards. Maybe we should take this offline. The forum changed and I'm not sure how to do it these days.

 

[CarlJ]

I can't think of something funny to say about Samsung.

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to supply a heat or flame related punchline for you. It's become clear that they don't have to be original or actually funny. But I find your post refreshing. This thread is now 28 pages long, but still there are folks newly arriving on the article, skimming it, and thinking, "ooh ohh! I have a humorous punchline" and rushing to post it so that the world may benefit, failing to consider that maybe after 28 pages, such an obvious joke has already occurred to someone who arrived earlier.

 

[catean]

Is this the new model for ISIL? Samsung Akhbar ?

 

[SockRolid]

I wonder if this early Android phone prototype ever caught on fire.
Remember when Android phones were Blackberry clones?
Way before Android phones became iPhone clones.

Oh. And no, this hasn't been "discredited."
Unless "discredited" means "fandroids hoping nobody remembers."
Well guess what. Wikipedia remembers.

 

[imnotthewalrus]

Cue the Samsung haters in 3...2...1...

which is ironic considering most comments sections that I read contain a whole lot more Apple hate than Samsung hate, and yet this is a site dedicated to Apple products and (presumably) enthusiasts....

 

[DakotaGuy]

I just hope that those who use the phone are safe. Can't imagine what those affected are going through right now. Good on Samsung to be proactive and issue a recall right away. That was the right response.

I survived taking mortar fire several times during the Iraq war. I'll survive the recall.

 

[alexforget82]

Is it me or this will cost at minimum 500$M US to Samsung ? I'm very conservative with this number. Maybe a 1G$ US.

2.5/3M devices at what ? 150$ per devices?

Refund or exchange accessories for customer who return/swap for S7/S7 Edge

25$ gift card.

 

[JayIsAwesome]

Butt hurt? Chill out? What are you, 12? Where in any of my posts have I come across as upset or angry?

You're not fooling anyone by pretending you're neutral when you're clearly anti-Apple. The only reason you're complaining about so-called Apple fans whining about bashers is because you're the basher trying to justify your behavior. It's clear from your posts in this thread. And you're clearly upset about it.

That's the comical part in all this.

Umm who or what have I bashed? Lol I'm basically posting my opinion and you're getting overly sensitive about it. Then when I responded to you previously, you tried using the old "Ha, he says he doesn't care...but look at him respond" line. The same line and logic that's been used on the interweb forums, since about 2007. But I'm the 12yr old? Yeah, ok buddy Lol. And I love how you claim I'm anti Apple. I'm typing this on my iPhone, whilst getting ready to watch Netflix on my Apple TV. And I'm more than likely getting a MacBook for school next semester. I mean, it's not like I have an Apple logo as my macrumors profile pic or anything. Yep, totally anti Apple. Scratching Tim Cook off my Christmas Card list, as we speak

 

[kdarling]

Remember when Android phones were Blackberry clones?

Repeating Wikipedia nonsense is rarely a good idea, especially in a forum with multiple people who have insider knowledge of smartphone history and prototypes.

First off, Android was meant to compete with Windows Mobile, not Blackberry, as Google's intent was to try to keep Microsoft from taking over mobile search. (Nobody at the time would even think of competing with RIM and its integrated carrier NOC system.)

In fact, that particular phone was a known Windows Mobile model built by HTC.

Windows Mobile had long had both touch and non-touch versions, thus Android did as well. The non-touch version was worked on first, using already available hardware while an advanced touch prototype was being developed.

 

[JayIsAwesome]

Are you seriously implying that Samsung and their sellers are unable to contact the people who bought $850 phones? Do you actually believe that? "Every person over the world". Jesus Christ

As for the pitiful attempt to imply I'm an uncritical fanboy who will lap up and defend all things Apple

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-please-listen-sort-out-text-selection-on-ios10.1990926/

More and more it's becoming obvious that people throwing out the Apple kool-aid crap are just trying to pre-emptively deflect their doing the opposite.

Umm no, I'm not doing any of that. I just posted my opinion on the subject. Calm down man. And again, Samsung is handling the issue. They're even allowing customers to exchange their Note7 for a new one. They're handling the issue and addressing a hell of a lot better than a lot of other companies would have
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btw you might want to take a deep breath, slow down and check who you're actually replying to. Samsung will be ok. It's ok.

Yes and Apple will be ok too. And yeah, you replied to me...so I responded back. Again, that's usually how these things work. I thought you were a macrumors veteran. Clearly you should know forums work And I'm breathing just fine. I actually feel great. Beautiful day outside. Off tomorrow too! Thankfully I don't have to deal with easily angered people. That would totally suck

 

[kdarling]

Umm no, I'm not doing any of that. I just posted my opinion on the subject. Calm down man.

He's calm now. Check under his avatar. His account was suspended.

 

[Glideslope]

Ha, I knew you must be a pilot from your forum name

I was just the flight test away from getting my license when I got esophageal cancer and had to stop. Never started again because of the hoops you have jump through to get back your medical, although it sure has crossed my mind.

For a while after recovering, I kept up a bit by learning to program addons for MSFS, including building my own sim avionics hardware. Of course, now you can buy that stuff online.

Btw, I have a huge collection of hundreds of historical slide rule flight computers and air navigation books dating back to 1907, including some extremely rare Zeppelin and Japanese aluminum models, and even prototypes. I've been slowly writing a book on them, as very few people are left who know all the equations and how they're actually designed into TAS, true altitude, etc slide rules. The Smithsonian asked me to help with their collection. I've even custom made a few of my own rules totally from scratch, along with a quite unique and easy to use automatic wind triangle computer that I really should finish and get a patent on.

One of our best friends has a Mooney and is now retired and putting together a homebuilt RV-3 in his garage.

Okay, enough, now I'm really missing flying. What about you? Fly much? How long?

Regards. Maybe we should take this offline. The forum changed and I'm not sure how to do it these days.

Happy to hear your a survivor. Lost my dad to cancer. Your collection sounds amazing. Those RV-3's can really get going if I remember correctly?
Yes, I have a PPL Single Engine VFR. Time share with 5 others on a 182-RG out of a small Aerodrome in Upstate, NY. I try to get in 5hrs a month. Have over 1,500 TT. Check ride at 25. I think we can carry on through Private Messaging?

Anyway, have a safe Holiday Weekend. Nice chatting.

 

[Silicon-Surfer]

What crime are you talking about? Are you talking about the LG Prada smartphone design Apple copied from LG (LG never went to court)? Or you talking about the trade dress lawsuit Apple filed against Samsung, but was later reversed?

What are YOU talking about? Apple had two lawsuits with Samsung over iPhone patents, and after all the appeals they received $290m from Samsung for the first suit and $119m in the second. The payout from the first trial was reduced, but it certainly was not reversed.

As for the LG phone, LG didn't go to court because they had no case. It was lanched only a short time before the iPhone (which had been in development for years) was announced, so there was no posibility that Apple could have copied it's design. Also during the Samsung case, prototype iPhones were shown whitch were developed more than a year before the LG phone had been seen publically.

 

[Abazigal]

Man, Daringfireball was spot on as always.

http://daringfireball.net/

I would love to see the names of the “industry watchers” who think this fiasco will “upgrade Samsung’s credibility”.

We are talking about the reliability of their products here. How swiftly and decisively the company reacts in the event of a problem had absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their products. It's completely besides the point and only serves to deflect attention from the real problem.

 

[nsayer]

I'll betcha a dollar there will be an "exploding phone" joke in next week's Apple event.