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Steve Jobs' stage catchphrase: "... and BOOM!"

Samsung's unfortunate reality: BOOM! No more phone.

It's like a magic show, but this one is better - it makes crappy phones disappear.

 
Very classy company IMO. No blaming the customer or saying you're using it wrong, no BS, no PR, no hiding, just straight up hey we f'ed up and will fully fix the issue. Very refreshing in this day and age of corporate hideouts.
Classy? I can only imagine you are being sarcastic. There is nothing valorous here. They had no other option. If you think they acted out of some high ethical stance then you really are living in cloud cookooland. If they had acted any other way they would have been ripped to shreds by lawsuits, social media, and their reputation as a leading smartphone maker would lie in ruins.

I fail to see how a dangerously faulty battery could be blamed on the consumer, hidden or glossed over with PR. Ridiculous comment!

Every major company faced with potentially hazardous goods would have acted in the same way with an immediate recall.
 
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Classy? I can only imagine you are being sarcastic. There is nothing valorous here. They had no other option. If you think they acted out of some high ethical stance then you really are living in cloud cookooland. If they had acted any other way they would have been ripped to shreds by lawsuits, social media, and their reputation as a leading smartphone maker would lie in ruins.

I fail to see how a dangerously faulty battery could be blamed on the consumer, hidden or glossed over with PR. Ridiculous comment!

Every major company faced with potentially hazardous goods would have acted in the same way with an immediate recall.

Nope, I'm living in the real world where stuck accelerator pedals, faulty shifters and airbags kill people. Many companies are not willing to step forward, or will judge the cost of lawsuits an acceptable loss. I don't think they acted out of some high ethical stance at all, I just appreciate that their response was so quick and encompassing. I don't get the morons who really care anyway, it's such a idiotic discussion, my god going on 31 pages of whiners. How do you know what can or can't be covered up? Ridiculous comment! Maybe Apple's exploding batteries were covered up and the remote cases of this happening were blamed more on aftermarket cables. Sometimes companies cover stuff up and they win, sometimes they cover stuff up and they lose.
 
Nope, I'm living in the real world where stuck accelerator pedals, faulty shifters and airbags kill people. Many companies are not willing to step forward, or will judge the cost of lawsuits an acceptable loss. I don't think they acted out of some high ethical stance at all, I just appreciate that their response was so quick and encompassing. I don't get the morons who really care anyway, it's such a idiotic discussion, my god going on 31 pages of whiners. How do you know what can or can't be covered up? Ridiculous comment! Maybe Apple's exploding batteries were covered up and the remote cases of this happening were blamed more on aftermarket cables. Sometimes companies cover stuff up and they win, sometimes they cover stuff up and they lose.
You're right when you say sometimes companies cover stuff up. But it rarely ends well once the truth emerges. It's a judgement call about what course of action will have the least long-term negative financial impact. Your "classy" company made a brilliant judgement call when it came to the leukaemia causing chemicals in their factories didn't they. They tried to cover that up (it was far easier to do seeing as it was contained within their own plants in their own country) but eventually had to compensate the families to make them shut up...

https://www.engadget.com/2014/05/14/samsung-apology-illnesses-deaths-plants/

And they're only just letting inspectors in after a deal with the plant workers.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/12/samsung-lets-inspectors-into-its-factories-following-deaths/

A thoroughly disgusting company.
 
You're right when you say sometimes companies cover stuff up. But it rarely ends well once the truth emerges. It's a judgement call about what course of action will have the least long-term negative financial impact. Your "classy" company made a brilliant judgement call when it came to the leukaemia causing chemicals in their factories didn't they. They tried to cover that up (it was far easier to do seeing as it was contained within their own plants in their own country) but eventually had to compensate the families to make them shut up...

https://www.engadget.com/2014/05/14/samsung-apology-illnesses-deaths-plants/

And they're only just letting inspectors in after a deal with the plant workers.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/01/12/samsung-lets-inspectors-into-its-factories-following-deaths/

A thoroughly disgusting company.
"But it rarely ends once the truth emerges." Sorry, give me a second while I roll on the floor laughing hysterically. Really? I think you watch too many movies, yes I can picture it now, Mathew Mcconaughey is the beleaguered attorney for the underdog 13 year old girl horrifically burned by a Samsung phone. After evading death attempts, intimidation, jury tampering and judge bribery they remain triumphant "once the truth emerges" You really really think "the truth emerges" most of the time? Our world is built of cover up after cover up, it's what business thrives on.

OF COURSE it's a judgement call about what course of action will have the least long term negative financial impact, I've only said that about...oh a bajillion times. Yes I do still think they are classy because they responded so quickly and didn't exclude anyone, this on 35 cases in 2.5 million phones.

As for leukemia causing chemicals, dude I'm just saying as a Note 7 customer I thought Samsung made a nice move. WTF are you a caped crusader fighting for the injustices inflicted upon society by Samsung? Seriously, it's sheer curiosity now why you would even care that I liked Samsung's move. They still remain a company which puts profits before anything else, just like virtually every other private company in the world. Go pick out any item that you paid for, I can guarantee I will find some horror story somewhere along the line for that company. Is that a news flash for you?
 
Right, I didn't mean the equipment was the same situation. I meant that holding a ready-to-burn phone to your head was the same. Heating, swelling, popping sounds, usually precede an event.

The reason I gave the iPhone example, was because it had a LOT of cases of it happening, yet I don't recall hearing about a spate of burned people as a result. Lots of scorched desks and tables, though.

Doesn't mean there isn't a chance of personal injury. But history indicates it's fortunately rare.



Nope, not at all.

Although frankly, that pen thing _was_ overblown. I've had a Note for years and never put the pen in backwards. For one thing, that means the pointy end would be sticking out.

Pen-gate was about as real and as bogus as Bend-gate. Meaning yes, there was a design flaw. But to cause it, you generally had to do something you shouldn't do :eek:



As a 62 year old native English speaker who always had top grades, I can assure you that "shill" implies being compensated. Every dictionary entry, including that one, said so.

(When that entry said "have an interest in", it didn't mean casual interest. It meant monetary interest, as exemplified by the example.)

You're looking for a phrase to describe what? Someone who always praises one company and disses another? Easy: "males on the internet" :D

Apple had to recall the iPhone 4 for exploding / burning batteries.
Apple had at least 1 death due to electrocution of an Air Stewardess in China electrocuted while using her iPhone 5 while charging. Initial reports of her being just out of the bath at the time were later admitted to be completely false and disinformation. Apple refused to acknowledge or recall the cable. Rumours of a payoff to her family abound the internet.
Apple refused to acknowledge Bendgate, the iPhone 6s and 6s+ that would bend even if you didn't sit on them), Apple reluctantly recalled millions of Chargers sold over 10yr period with Aus/China sockets.
Apple are refusing to acknowledge or repair the 'frozen screen' issues when phone is out of warranty and currently facing potential class action lawsuit.
Apple AMD-Gate with the AMD chips on the Macbook Pro 2011 burnt out many a Macbook just out of warranty and refused to repair, despite everybody and their mother (except Apple) acknowledging the issue.
Apple Macbook Pros with antiglare covering (glare-gate?) peeling of the screens yet another failing Apple fails to acknowledge or own up to - there was another class action lawsuit pending there.

Speaking as someone who has been significantly zapped by iPod touch (apple cable intact btw) Apple appears to not care about safety or even acknowledging its problems.
If the note 7 issue happened to Apple with their iPhone 7, I don't think they would react as quickly or as positively as Samsung have in this case. I say this as an Apple fan with Macbook Air, MacMini, 3 Ipods, 2 iPads, 3 iphones, and another Macbook Pro on the way after the upcoming upgrade.
Note 7 appears to be completely battery supplier fault, not the phone itself.
Samsung have actually gone up in my estimation as a result of how they handled this issue.
These forums alone show Apple less than stella on its products design - despite how well they look and the thousands of engineers focusing on just a few core products.
 
Apple had to recall the iPhone 4 for exploding / burning batteries.
Apple had at least 1 death due to electrocution of an Air Stewardess in China electrocuted while using her iPhone 5 while charging. Initial reports of her being just out of the bath at the time were later admitted to be completely false and disinformation. Apple refused to acknowledge or recall the cable. Rumours of a payoff to her family abound the internet.
Apple refused to acknowledge Bendgate, the iPhone 6s and 6s+ that would bend even if you didn't sit on them), Apple reluctantly recalled millions of Chargers sold over 10yr period with Aus/China sockets.
Apple are refusing to acknowledge or repair the 'frozen screen' issues when phone is out of warranty and currently facing potential class action lawsuit.
Apple AMD-Gate with the AMD chips on the Macbook Pro 2011 burnt out many a Macbook just out of warranty and refused to repair, despite everybody and their mother (except Apple) acknowledging the issue.
Apple Macbook Pros with antiglare covering (glare-gate?) peeling of the screens yet another failing Apple fails to acknowledge or own up to - there was another class action lawsuit pending there.

Speaking as someone who has been significantly zapped by iPod touch (apple cable intact btw) Apple appears to not care about safety or even acknowledging its problems.
If the note 7 issue happened to Apple with their iPhone 7, I don't think they would react as quickly or as positively as Samsung have in this case. I say this as an Apple fan with Macbook Air, MacMini, 3 Ipods, 2 iPads, 3 iphones, and another Macbook Pro on the way after the upcoming upgrade.
Note 7 appears to be completely battery supplier fault, not the phone itself.
Samsung have actually gone up in my estimation as a result of how they handled this issue.
These forums alone show Apple less than stella on its products design - despite how well they look and the thousands of engineers focusing on just a few core products.

Talking pure BS there. Bye.
 
Bet Apple jokes about this in their next keynote until they realise Sammy did the same thing with the headphone jack and bendgate
 
For anyone thinking Samsung did this out of some moral high ground goodness of their hearts or deserves praise is delusional. It was recalled solely because it's hazardous and dangerous in nature and could cause widespread lawsuits. Samsung doesn't give a crap about customers.

Prime example is their TVs. Several years back I bought one of their LCD HDTVs and after just 2-3 years of use it failed due to Samsung knowingly using cheap/faulty capacitors in order to cut costs. Apparently it was a widespread problem that others had as well and when I called Samsung they wouldn't even acknowledge the issue. It wasn't until losing a class action lawsuit that they decided to replace these things. They're likely doing the recall with the Note because it's a more high profile product and was just released. If they felt they could get away with ignoring the issue trust me they would.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-po...-tvs-to-fail-and-a-class-action-suit-follows/
 
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Talking pure BS there. Bye.
Can you be more specific?
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Talking pure BS there. Bye.

Can you challenge anything specific?
Apple iPhone 4s exploding batteries?
China stewardess death?
Bendgate?
Screen gate 1(Antiglare peeling away on macbook pros)?
Screen gate 2 (iPhone 6 unresponsive screen)?
Amd gate (Macbook pro burnouts)?

I love it when someone hurls insults but can't be bothered challenging anything specific.
Everything Ive mentioned can be googled, although regular members of this thread will already be well aware of all these as they already have threads of their own on this very site.

Apple has no morale high ground here. They had exploding batteries and laptop chargers causing actual fires, and it took literally years for them to do a recall.
 
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For anyone thinking Samsung did this out of some moral high ground goodness of their hearts or deserves praise is delusional. It was recalled solely because it's hazardous and dangerous in nature and could cause widespread lawsuits. Samsung doesn't give a crap about customers.

Prime example is their TVs. Several years back I bought one of their LCD HDTVs and after just 2-3 years of use it failed due to Samsung knowingly using cheap/faulty capacitors in order to cut costs. Apparently it was a widespread problem that others had as well and when I called Samsung they wouldn't even acknowledge the issue. It wasn't until losing a class action lawsuit that they decided to replace these things. They're likely doing the recall with the Note because it's a more high profile product and was just released. If they felt they could get away with ignoring the issue trust me they would.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-po...-tvs-to-fail-and-a-class-action-suit-follows/
Very true. When the S5 was released my friend bought it, less than a month later the battery started to bulge. We took it to a Samsung store where they said they would do nothing for it, others at the time were also complaining of the same issue. Samsung though did manage to sell my friend a new battery for the best part of £50. Because the batteries only bulged and didn't explode they never made any moves to even replace the batteries, infact their next phone has a non-removable battery which makes me think they did it on purpose so people would have to pay for a new phone. The only reason they are acting now is because people are being seriously injured and it's bad for the PR. You can hide a customer who's battery bulged, you can't hide someone who has had half their blown off.
 
"But it rarely ends once the truth emerges." Sorry, give me a second while I roll on the floor laughing hysterically. Really? I think you watch too many movies, yes I can picture it now, Mathew Mcconaughey is the beleaguered attorney for the underdog 13 year old girl horrifically burned by a Samsung phone. After evading death attempts, intimidation, jury tampering and judge bribery they remain triumphant "once the truth emerges" You really really think "the truth emerges" most of the time? Our world is built of cover up after cover up, it's what business thrives on.

OF COURSE it's a judgement call about what course of action will have the least long term negative financial impact, I've only said that about...oh a bajillion times. Yes I do still think they are classy because they responded so quickly and didn't exclude anyone, this on 35 cases in 2.5 million phones.

As for leukemia causing chemicals, dude I'm just saying as a Note 7 customer I thought Samsung made a nice move. WTF are you a caped crusader fighting for the injustices inflicted upon society by Samsung? Seriously, it's sheer curiosity now why you would even care that I liked Samsung's move. They still remain a company which puts profits before anything else, just like virtually every other private company in the world. Go pick out any item that you paid for, I can guarantee I will find some horror story somewhere along the line for that company. Is that a news flash for you?
Wow, you're really good at misinterpreting and mangling someone's comments to mean something different. You may have noticed I wrote "once the truth emerges" (you even quoted me!). You then proceeded to erect a straw man and set fire to him like a Samsung phone. You would make a good politician.

How the hell would I know what you've said a "bajillion" times? I'm so sorry but I don't follow your every comment on here and across the Internet. :rolleyes:

My point, which has somewhat been lost in your tirade is that you describe them as "classy" for acting quickly, yet they deserve no credit for this because it was logical and inevitable to do so if they wish to protect their brand and avoid litigation. It has zip to do with good ethical standards. As can be seen by my previous links, they have a history of acting slowly on health and safety matters only when it's in their best interests to do so.
 
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Can you be more specific?
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Can you challenge anything specific?
Apple iPhone 4s exploding batteries?
China stewardess death?
Bendgate?
Screen gate 1(Antiglare peeling away on macbook pros)?
Screen gate 2 (iPhone 6 unresponsive screen)?
Amd gate (Macbook pro burnouts)?

I love it when someone hurls insults but can't be bothered challenging anything specific.
Everything Ive mentioned can be googled, although regular members of this thread will already be well aware of all these as they already have threads of their own on this very site.

Apple has no morale high ground here. They had exploding batteries and laptop chargers causing actual fires, and it took literally years for them to do a recall.
Nice deflections. Comparing nuisance and /one off items against this full recall.
 
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Nice deflections. Comparing nuisance and /one off items against this full recall.

Is it a nuisance to have iphone6 users unable to use their phones?
Is it a nuisance to have a $2500 macbook burn out due to poorly designed thermals on AMD powered MacBook Pros?
Is it a nuisance when some phones came out out of the box already bent?
Is it a nuisance when your iPhone 4 battery catches fire / explodes?
Is it a nuisance when chargers with known faults start fires in peoples houses?
Is it a nuisance to get electrocuted to death by your iPhone????

NONE of these are one off items.
ALL are documented, and in detail on this very site amongst others and easily checkable on google.
Even the last 'nuisance' of death by iPhone, happened twice in China alone. The second death carries less weight as user had aftermarket cable, but first did not. Additionally thousands of people have had electric shocks of various power through the cable, I myself have been zapped while charging and all genuine undamaged apple gear.
Despite forum threads dedicated to ALL issues above and documented in sufficient numbers to be classified as a design fault and included in a recall - Apple never does so until push comes to shove.
 
Is it a nuisance to have iphone6 users unable to use their phones?
Is it a nuisance to have a $2500 macbook burn out due to poorly designed thermals on AMD powered MacBook Pros?
Is it a nuisance when some phones came out out of the box already bent?
Is it a nuisance when your iPhone 4 battery catches fire / explodes?
Is it a nuisance when chargers with known faults start fires in peoples houses?
Is it a nuisance to get electrocuted to death by your iPhone????

NONE of these are one off items.
ALL are documented, and in detail on this very site amongst others and easily checkable on google.
Even the last 'nuisance' of death by iPhone, happened twice in China alone. The second death carries less weight as user had aftermarket cable, but first did not. Additionally thousands of people have had electric shocks of various power through the cable, I myself have been zapped while charging and all genuine undamaged apple gear.
Despite forum threads dedicated to ALL issues above and documented in sufficient numbers to be classified as a design fault and included in a recall - Apple never does so until push comes to shove.
Actually, yes, not being able to use your phone is a nuisance to getting maimed or worse when those Note 7 caught fire. This is a recall, one with potentially disastrous consequences and you are comparing against nuisance and one-off items.

So yeah you are far off base.
 
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Holy fanboys (both sides). Love the device you have and move on. Why waste your time berating the other device and company?

I've used Windows and android devices and it wasn't for me. Apple devices work for my needs and I'm happy with that.

What's the point of arguing one device over another? Use the one that works for your situation.
 
Since the actual failure rate so far has only been 24 per million, then the chances of seeing a problem during a multi-week test would've been less than one in 40,000.
So even if they had used a thousand test units in the field for a much longer time, the chances were very good that none would've exhibited the problem.

I like this kind of reasoned posts. Yes, the failure rate is too low to have detected in the alpha phase.

That said, Samsung is up there with Apple in quality expectations! Lithium based batteries were not born yesterday - these failures are not acceptable - if Apple did the same, the response from me will be the same.

Apple's cables are the worst - have been so for a decade - and cost too much. A company with such a reputation should not have such costly , crappy cables.

I wonder how much a replacement audio adapter will cost if I lost it - >$25 or so. More importantly, if the thing fails or disintegrates with use.
 
Discovered? By Samsung? That would've happened in the "Alpha" Samsung product quality testing phase

We're talking what? 1 in 40.000 or so? Impossible to find during regular quality testing. Even products that sell in tens of millions are not tested in many thousand units before large scale production starts.

What makes this special is of course the potential danger, failure rates way higher than this is not unusual at all when it comes to electronics and are just solved on individual basis when things happen. In this case that approach is not an option of course.
 
We're talking what? 1 in 40.000 or so? Impossible to find during regular quality testing. Even products that sell in tens of millions are not tested in many thousand units before large scale production

This seems to be the party line, doesn't it? 1 in 40,000 or 0.1% (as per Samsung's own figures). A limited run of known batteries with an issue. If that were really the case would Samsung remove all 2.5 million phones from the market? Why? It's business suicide and Samsung shareholders would and should be outraged it if were the case. It just doesn't pass the taste test.
 
A limited run of known batteries with an issue. If that were really the case would Samsung remove all 2.5 million phones from the market?
Doesn't matter if it is 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100.000. If the potential for harm is there and there is no way to track it to certain production batches then everything must be pulled. It might simply be an odd combination of a specific fault in the battery controller AND a faulty battery that would not do anything by itself other than rendering the device dead, but ends up as very dangerous if both are present.

You just don't sit back and cross your fingers, hoping that no one will get seriously hurt. That is the way of car companies, not tech companies.
 
Doesn't matter if it is 1 in 1000 or 1 in 100.000. If the potential for harm is there and there is no way to track it to certain production batches then everything must be pulled.

You just don't sit back and cross your fingers, hoping that no one will get seriously hurt. That is the way of car companies, not tech companies.

But you've avoided the meat of the thing. If, as has been claimed multiple times in this thread, this affects a known and limited number of batteries then surely only those devices should be removed from circulation. No-one suggested anything about crossing fingers.
 
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But you've avoided the meat of the thing. If, as has been claimed multiple times in this thread, this affects a known and limited number of batteries then surely only those devices should be removed from circulation.

Of course. Which only shows that people like talking **** on the internet. They would of course not do a total recall of 1 million++ devices if they were sure that the potential problem was connected to a limited batch of say 20.000.
 
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