Samsung Recalls New Galaxy Note7 Due to Exploding Batteries [Updated]

[Marcus1984]

Are you comparing Samsung's one flagship, Galaxy S4, vs all iPhone models, or just iPhone 5S? If you want to compare all Galaxies vs all iPhones, as shown below, Samsung continued to sell a lot of previous flagships after their latest releases. Apple's sales figures are generally quit similar -- they also continue to sell previous flagships in great volume after new release -- though neither Apple or Samsung publishes unit sales figures by models. Based on this old number alone, Samsung sold close to 140 million high-end Galaxies, which is close to your 160M iPhone figure during the same period (2013). I'm guessing Samsung sold about 60M S4's in one year period (they passed the 40M mark in 6 months).

Of course, Samsung Galaxy sales crashed in 3Q 2014 (especially in China) and Apple in 4Q 2015.

Yeah i took one year of 5S sold and shaved off the top.
And I also looked up on Wikipedia, which probably isn't the best source.
Actually didn't occur to me about their last years editions still selling strong.
Maybe they're closer than I would've guessed.
I chose the galaxy S4 year because that is samsungs "iPhone 6"-year.
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Right... This will cost them $5B min in direct costs, a bundle in market value and A LOT in diminishing their future earnings, most probably many billions.
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I million phones in the hand of customers and likely all those in the hands in resellers in one hell of a recall no matter how you slice it. This won't just hurt them in their reputation with customers, it will hurt them with resellers too.
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Apple sells a lot more than 160 Iphones a year, please revise your BS.
They sold around 78-80 Million in the two latest holiday quarters. The number sold are more around 200 million.
They also sell more high phones than Samsung by far.

I shaved off some for that years model only.
Yes with all models included its around 200m

 

[1041958]

Are you comparing Samsung's one flagship, Galaxy S4, vs all iPhone models, or just iPhone 5S? If you want to compare all Galaxies vs all iPhones, as shown below, Samsung continued to sell a lot of previous flagships after their latest releases. Apple's sales figures are generally quit similar -- they also continue to sell previous flagships in great volume after new release -- though neither Apple or Samsung publishes unit sales figures by models. Based on this old number alone, Samsung sold close to 140 million high-end Galaxies, which is close to your 160M iPhone figure during the same period (2013). I'm guessing Samsung sold about 60M S4's in one year period (they passed the 40M mark in 6 months).

Of course, Samsung Galaxy sales crashed in 3Q 2014 (especially in China) and Apple in 4Q 2015.

You don't need estimates. Samsung themselves announced they passed the 200 million Galaxy S sales milestone in Feb 2014. Over the same period Apple sold 431 million iPhones. So during Samsungs most successful time (ending with the S4) the iPhone was already selling more than twice as many iPhones.

 

[TechGeek76]

Apple sells about 160 million iPhones a year, Samsung sold about 40 million s4s, note maybe half of that.
I presume 2016-17 will be that number as well.

So let's count all the other model as well? Samsung sells about 250 million a year.

 

[Marcus1984]

So let's count all the other model as well? Samsung sells about 250 million a year.

If you don't recall, we were talking about high end-phones above $600.
Not ****** budget and feature phones in the $50-100 range where there is absolutely no profit.
But yeah Samsung sells a buttload of those...

 

[tooltalk]

You don't need estimates. Samsung themselves announced they passed the 200 million Galaxy S sales milestone in Feb 2014. Over the same period Apple sold 431 million iPhones. So during Samsungs most successful time (ending with the S4) the iPhone was already selling more than twice as many iPhones.

I looked up Apple's official iPhone unit sales for 2Q 2013 to 1Q 2014 to compare against Samsung's Galaxy sales:

Q2 '13 37.43
Q3 '13 31.24
Q4 '13 33.8
Q1 '14 51.03

Apple sold just 150 in one year since Samsung's S4 release, so they were neck and neck.

I think you are referring to Apple's overall sales since 2007 to 1Q 2014 -- Apple sold about 420M in 7 years. The graph I provided above shows that Samsung sold 200M S models in just 4 years, or between 2010 and 2013. Then you add Samsung's Note series, that's another 60M, or 260M in total, which isn't too shabby. By contrast, it took Apple 6 years to sell 260M units.

 

[kdarling]

If you don't recall, we were talking about high end-phones above $600.
Not ****** budget and feature phones in the $50-100 range where there is absolutely no profit.
But yeah Samsung sells a buttload of those...

They must sell even more mid range phones, since their overall ASP is around $225.

As for "absolutely no profit", that's just nonsense. Samsung makes billions a quarter.

They might not make as much as Apple, but recall that before Apple made a lot of money people used to say that even their lower profits were something most companies would love to have. Ditto here.

Plus, there'd be no global infrastructure and ready made market for Apple to profit from, if it weren't for companies like Samsung selling inexpensive phones for decades. Be thankful for them.

 

[Marcus1984]

They must sell even more mid range phones, since their overall ASP is around $225.

As for "absolutely no profit", that's just nonsense. Samsung makes billions a quarter.

They might not make as much as Apple, but recall that before Apple made a lot of money people used to say that even their lower profits were something most companies would love to have. Ditto here.

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Plus, there'd be no global infrastructure and ready made market for Apple to profit from, if it weren't for companies like Samsung selling inexpensive phones for decades. Be thankful for them.

I read that that they make around $1 per budget smartphone.
A Galaxy S7 costs about $270 to produce (just the hardware).
And that ASP that you're talking about would be a lot higher if they weren't selling budget-phones, but hey it's advertisement with a tiny profit.
Let's make it simple; 10 people buys a $50-phone, 5 people buys a $650-phone and another 5 buys a $250-phone.
The ASP becomes $227,5.

Those budget-phones are just ads.
A bunch of people buy them because of income or just because they don't want to spend more on a phone and Samsung gets another phone out there with their name on it.
That's why you almost never see a logo on the bottom of a phone.

And I don't think cheap phones had any part in the smartphone-boom.
I think that it was a result of App Store/google play and titles like angry birds, with the help of Facebook etc.

And btw Samsung is a lot bigger than just phones so that profit comes from different categories.
I'm not saying Samsung is doing bad anywhere, just that apple sells more high end-phones.
That was the debate.
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I looked up Apple's official iPhone unit sales for 2Q 2013 to 1Q 2014 to compare against Samsung's Galaxy sales:

Q2 '13 37.43
Q3 '13 31.24
Q4 '13 33.8
Q1 '14 51.03

Apple sold just 150 in one year since Samsung's S4 release, so they were neck and neck.

I think you are referring to Apple's overall sales since 2007 to 1Q 2014 -- Apple sold about 420M in 7 years. The graph I provided above shows that Samsung sold 200M S models in just 4 years, or between 2010 and 2013. Then you add Samsung's Note series, that's another 60M, or 260M in total, which isn't too shabby. By contrast, it took Apple 6 years to sell 260M units.

Don't forget that Note is part of the galaxy series.
I had a hard time get any info from the Galaxy s4 year other than 40m sold in the first 6 months.

 

[Keirasplace]

So let's count all the other model as well? Samsung sells about 250 million a year.

80% are under $200 phones, but you knew that hey...

 

[1041958]

I looked up Apple's official iPhone unit sales for 2Q 2013 to 1Q 2014 to compare against Samsung's Galaxy sales:

Q2 '13 37.43
Q3 '13 31.24
Q4 '13 33.8
Q1 '14 51.03

Apple sold just 150 in one year since Samsung's S4 release, so they were neck and neck.

I think you are referring to Apple's overall sales since 2007 to 1Q 2014 -- Apple sold about 420M in 7 years. The graph I provided above shows that Samsung sold 200M S models in just 4 years, or between 2010 and 2013. Then you add Samsung's Note series, that's another 60M, or 260M in total, which isn't too shabby. By contrast, it took Apple 6 years to sell 260M units.

This is how I got my numbers:

Galaxy S went on sale in June 2010. So I ignored any sales from June and only started counting iPhone sales from the following Jul-Sep quarter. The sales for the iPhone from Jul 2010 are:

Quarter - Millions
Q4 '10 - 14.10
Q1 '11 - 16.24
Q2 '11 - 18.65
Q3 '11 - 20.34
Q4 '11 - 17.07
Q1 '12 - 37.04
Q2 '12 - 35.06
Q3 '12 - 26.03
Q4 '12 - 26.91
Q1 '13 - 47.79
Q2 '13 - 37.43
Q3 '13 - 31.24
Q4 '13 - 33.80
Q1 '14 - 51.03

Total: 412.73 million so far.

Samsung announced they hit 200 million on Feb 24, 2014. So Apple has sales from Jan 1/2014 until Feb 24/2014 to add to the total. Apple sold 43.72 million for Q2 '14, so appx 25 million iPhones were sold until Feb 24.

That brings our total up to 437.73 million iPhones sold over the exact same number of quarters as Galaxy S phones were sold. This ignores all iPhones sold from 2007 up to the end of Jun 2010. So it's a little bit more than the 431 figure I stated previously.

Your chart is also wrong. I added up 200 million Galaxy S sales on that chart. But it misses the last 6 months of 2010 (when the Galaxy S launched) and almost 2 months of 2014. Which makes me wonder where they even got their data from as it conflicts with official Samsung numbers.

 

[tooltalk]

Don't forget that Note is part of the galaxy series.
I had a hard time get any info from the Galaxy s4 year other than 40m sold in the first 6 months.

Sure, also don't forget that the S series != Note series. The figure cited by ECUTuner, from 2Q 2010 to 4Q 2013, is for the S series alone (200M). Then you add the Note series sales, it comes out to 200+60 or 260M indicated in the chart.
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This is how I got my numbers:

Galaxy S went on sale in June 2010. So I ignored any sales from June and only started counting iPhone sales from the following Jul-Sep quarter. The sales for the iPhone from Jul 2010 are:

Quarter - Millions
Q4 '10 - 14.10
Q1 '11 - 16.24
Q2 '11 - 18.65
Q3 '11 - 20.34
Q4 '11 - 17.07
Q1 '12 - 37.04
Q2 '12 - 35.06
Q3 '12 - 26.03
Q4 '12 - 26.91
Q1 '13 - 47.79
Q2 '13 - 37.43
Q3 '13 - 31.24
Q4 '13 - 33.80
Q1 '14 - 51.03

Total: 412.73 million so far.

Samsung announced they hit 200 million on Feb 24, 2014. So Apple has sales from Jan 1/2014 until Feb 24/2014 to add to the total. Apple sold 43.72 million for Q2 '14, so appx 25 million iPhones were sold until Feb 24.

That brings our total up to 437.73 million iPhones sold over the exact same number of quarters as Galaxy S phones were sold. This ignores all iPhones sold from 2007 up to the end of Jun 2010. So it's a little bit more than the 431 figure I stated previously.

Your chart is also wrong. I added up 200 million Galaxy S sales on that chart. But it misses the last 6 months of 2010 (when the Galaxy S launched) and almost 2 months of 2014. Which makes me wonder where they even got their data from as it conflicts with official Samsung numbers.

??? that's silly. Samsung's announcement at MWC 2014 was timed for that particular event and it was not the actual timing of the milestone. Neither company publishes their monthly/weekly/daily smartphone sales and I could assure you Samsung's 200M smartphone milestone was reached waaay before the MWC 2014, most likely in 4Q 2013. So that brings Samsung 260+ Galaxy (S, Notes) sales vs Apple's 360+ iPhone units as of 4Q 2013. I'm guessing MSR didn't include the 2010 Galaxy sales figure because it was insignificant.

That was still a remarkable achievement considering that it took Apple 6+ years to get to that first 260M milestone. Samsung did it in just 3 years, even surpassing Apple in 3Q 2013 in unit sales and profit. In those days, Samsung was crazy enough to make a bold 500M smartphone forecast for 2013.

 

[1041958]

??? that's silly. Samsung's announcement at MWC 2014 was timed for that particular event and it was not the actual timing of the milestone. Neither company publishes their monthly/weekly/daily smartphone sales and I could assure you Samsung's 200M smartphone milestone was reached waaay before the MWC 2014, most likely in 4Q 2013. So that brings Samsung 260+ Galaxy (S, Notes) sales vs Apple's 360+ iPhone units as of 4Q 2013. I'm guessing MSR didn't include the 2013 Galaxy sales figure because it was insignificant.

That was still a remarkable achievement considering that it took Apple 6+ years to get to that first 260M milestone. Samsung did it in just 3 years, even surpassing Apple in 3Q 2013 in unit sales and profit. In those days, Samsung was crazy enough to make a bold 500M smartphone forecast for 2013.

Silly? Are you actually claiming Samsung hit 200 million months before and never adjusted their numbers for MWC? That's ridiculous. You can bet Samsung knew exactly how many were shipped in the days leading up to MWC and adjusted their numbers accordingly. If it was 210 million they would have said so. Or they would have said "We hit 200 million over the Christmas holidays". Of course you have no proof they hit that number "waaaaay" before MWC.

I brought facts to the discussion and you want to make up numbers/dates because you don't like my facts.

 

[TechGeek76]

If you don't recall, we were talking about high end-phones above $600.
Not ****** budget and feature phones in the $50-100 range where there is absolutely no profit.
But yeah Samsung sells a buttload of those...

I'm talking about smartphones in general. Apple does not sell more than Samsung. I'm done going back and forth about it.

 

[1041958]

I'm talking about smartphones in general. Apple does not sell more than Samsung. I'm done going back and forth about it.

Translation: I know I'm wrong and don't feel like arguing anymore.

It's basic common sense when comparing products to compare apples to apples (flagships to flagships). Most "smartphones" Samsung sells are of the inexpensive variety. Only about 1 in 3 is an S7 or Note 7. This is easily seen in the ASP.

 

[TechGeek76]

Silly? Are you actually claiming Samsung hit 200 million months before and never adjusted their numbers for MWC? That's ridiculous. You can bet Samsung knew exactly how many were shipped in the days leading up to MWC and adjusted their numbers accordingly. If it was 210 million they would have said so. Or they would have said "We hit 200 million over the Christmas holidays". Of course you have no proof they hit that number "waaaaay" before MWC.

I brought facts to the discussion and you want to make up numbers/dates because you don't like my facts.

Right from this very website :

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/28/samsung-vs-apple-smartphone-sales-2015/

So, those facts of yours.... really aren't, are they?
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Translation: I know I'm wrong and don't feel like arguing anymore.

It's basic common sense when comparing products to compare apples to apples (flagships to flagships). Most "smartphones" Samsung sells are of the inexpensive variety. Only about 1 in 3 is an S7 or Note 7. This is easily seen in the ASP.

I'm not wrong but thanks for playing.

Also, when you are ready to apologize, I'll be here.

 

[s_madushan]

I think Samsung copied the Amazon Fire phone too literally.

Lol u made my day

 

[1041958]

Right from this very website :

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/28/samsung-vs-apple-smartphone-sales-2015/

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So, those facts of yours.... really aren't, are they?
[doublepost=1473255468][/doublepost]I'm not wrong but thanks for playing.

Also, when you are ready to apologize, I'll be here.

You like to keep digging yourself deeper, don't you?

How is it possible you don't understand the difference between a $700 iPhone and a $50 Samsung smartphone? Do you even know what ASP stands for?

 

[TechGeek76]

You like to keep digging yourself deeper, don't you?

How is it possible you don't understand the difference between a $700 iPhone and a $50 Samsung smartphone? Do you even know what ASP stands for?

You really can't accept you are wrong can you? Have a great life. Blocked.

 

[1041958]

You really can't accept you are wrong can you? Have a great life. Blocked.

Oh no, I've been blocked. Whatever shall I do?

 

[tooltalk]

Silly? Are you actually claiming Samsung hit 200 million months before and never adjusted their numbers for MWC? That's ridiculous. You can bet Samsung knew exactly how many were shipped in the days leading up to MWC and adjusted their numbers accordingly. If it was 210 million they would have said so. Or they would have said "We hit 200 million over the Christmas holidays". Of course you have no proof they hit that number "waaaaay" before MWC.

I brought facts to the discussion and you want to make up numbers/dates because you don't like my facts.

Sure, let's play. Since you seem so fond of "facts," can you cite your source that shows Samsung sold their 200M'th Galaxy S on the day of MWC 2014? And, no, I don't mean Samsung executive JK Shin thanking their 200M Galaxy S customers at the very same event. Yeah, I thought so.

 

[Solomani]

Australian airlines ban use of Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phones after battery fires


When the recall story first broke out, a few people joked that some Airlines might ban Samsung Galaxy 7 from being used on board. It's no joke any more. Three Australian air carriers have banned them (until further notice). Not just one airline, three.

Please notice the ban is from using and charging them while on board. It does not prohibit bringing the phones aboard (e.g. tucked away in your luggage). Read article link above.

 

[TechGeek76]

Sure, let's play. Since you seem so fond of "facts," can you cite your source that shows Samsung sold their 200M'th Galaxy S on the day on MWC 2014? And, no, I don't mean Samsung executive JK Shin thanking their 200M Galaxy S customers at the very same event. Yeah, I thought so.

Like most, he doesn't have a source. Just likes to make up his own narrative even with REAL facts.
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80% are under $200 phones, but you knew that hey...

Making up stuff again huh? Seems to be a pretty consistent habit for you. What you have to say most times, mostly irrelevant junk.

 

[amenono]

Bend tests! Bend tests! We want bend tests!

 

[FFR]

Australian airlines ban use of Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phones after battery fires


When the recall story first broke out, a few people joked that some Airlines might ban Samsung Galaxy 7 from being used on board. It's no joke any more. Three Australian air carriers have banned them (until further notice). Not just one airline, three.

Please notice the ban is from using and charging them while on board. It does not prohibit bringing the phones aboard (e.g. tucked away in your luggage). Read article link above.

Uae, ethihad, Singapore airlines, all banned the use of the note 7, and more are joining the list everyday.

PIA banned it outright, they don't allow it in the cabin.

American Airlines is actually making an announcement during the flight.

"American Airlines announced Friday that it will start broadcasting warnings about the Samsung Galaxy Note7 at the gate, and on board flights. The gate announcement will be, "Due to a recall of the Samsung Galaxy Note7, the Federal Aviation Administration advises these devices should be powered off, and not connected to any power source while on board the aircraft. If your bag is checked at the gate, please remove your Galaxy Note7, and place it in your carry-on."

 

[Keirasplace]

Like most, he doesn't have a source. Just likes to make up his own narrative even with REAL facts.
[doublepost=1473353206][/doublepost]Making up stuff again huh? Seems to be a pretty consistent habit for you. What you have to say most times, mostly irrelevant junk.

No proof of your crap in your numbers (you know PRICING) and you yap yap yap yap.
Bye. Go talk to yourself.

 

[Qbnkelt]

No proof of your crap in your numbers (you know PRICING) and you yap yap yap yap.
Bye. Go talk to yourself.

I don't have pricing because honestly I haven't got the energy for it. But here is an interesting list of the huge amount of phones Samsung sells.

Look at the specs on some of them. Bargain bin phones.

Apple has never gone for the bargain bin phones so just because Samsung sells tons of phones, their quality is not anything that could even begins to compare with Apple.

(That said, the dual sim too phone sounds interesting.)

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung-phones-f-9-0-r1-p1.php