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Samsung seems to go all-out to give their customers the "special flying experience"...

http://avherald.com/h?article=49e63a38&opt=0
Galaxy Note 2:
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http://avherald.com/h?article=49e7e5c5&opt=0


Samsung tablet:
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The four year old Note 2 looks like it has a cheap knock off battery that swelled. And, the tablet looks like it's from physical damage. Same that can and has happened to iPhones and iPads.
 
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Because their bean counters told them to, surely. I award zero props. Huge payday for someone who has the phone in their pocket and it catches fire. Not to be dramatic, but this kind of issue can cause death in the right circumstance (if dude had fallen asleep or something). Surely that's why Samsung is expected to recall these -- not out of the goodness of their micro-chipped heart.

...not to pick on Samsung, that's how a LOT of companies approach these kinds of things, sadly.
Also not to mention the jeep cherokee that was burnt beyond repair the the guys driveway, and that little boy who playing and game on is mothers note 7 it exploded in is hands left him with third degree burns he is going to have those scars for the rest of his life. this is what happens when companies try to cut corners, this is going to impact samsung in a huge way not in the good one to say the least, i for one would be very nervous to use a note 7 even if the batteries was replaced.
 
Also not to mention the jeep cherokee that was burnt beyond repair the the guys driveway, and that little boy who playing and game on is mothers note 7 it exploded in is hands left him with third degree burns...

That boy wasn't using a Note. He was using a different model.

And the Jeep is nothing. Do you not recall accusations of houses burning down because of defective Apple chargers? If not, it just goes to show that people generally don't remember such things, especially if they didn't happen to them or someone they know.

this is what happens when companies try to cut corners, this is going to impact samsung in a huge way not in the good one to say the least, i for one would be very nervous to use a note 7 even if the batteries was replaced.

It's not going to impact them much at all in the long run. As impartial observers have pointed out, the public has grown used to hearing about the danger of modern batteries, especially after years and years of related recalls from every major manufacturer at one time or another.

Heck, Apple has had more fire danger related recalls and class action lawsuits in the past decade in the USA than Samsung, and it hasn't stopped Americans from buying Apple products.

The mass public has short term memory over most stuff like this. Do you see anyone refusing to go on a new Boeing Dreamliner because it had battery fires? Nope. Once something is fixed, people stop caring.
 
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Lithium battery issues happen to all electronic brands just like flat tire happens to all tire brands. Only the ignorant make a fuss about it. Lithium is potentially flammable so until the industry moves to a different non-flammable technology, something like metallic sodium, issues will continue to happen in rare cases.
 
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That boy wasn't using a Note. He was using a different model.

And the Jeep is nothing. Do you not recall accusations of houses burning down because of defective Apple chargers? If not, it just goes to show that people generally don't remember such things, especially if they didn't happen to them or someone they know.



It's not going to impact them much at all in the long run. As impartial observers have pointed out, the public has grown used to hearing about the danger of modern batteries, especially after years and years of related recalls from every major manufacturer at one time or another.

Heck, Apple has had more fire danger related recalls and class action lawsuits in the past decade in the USA than Samsung, and it hasn't stopped Americans from buying Apple products.

The mass public has short term memory over most stuff like this. Do you see anyone refusing to go on a new Boeing Dreamliner because it had battery fires? Nope. Once something is fixed, people stop caring.
Well for me i know if my phone burn my Audi S4 beyond repair or blow up in my daughters hand causing third degree burn i don't think thats something i would forget about not for a long time if ever. I am not saying that these companies are perfect but i think there is just some things that shouldn't happen and a phone blowing up while using it is one of them i think this would fall under a QA problem, multi billion dollar companies like samsung this kind of mistake shouldn't have happen. Apple have there share of problems in the past but i have never heard of there phones blowing up in peoples hand.
 
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yea the difference in this case is the problem or defect was caught and rectified before something like this could happen this is my 2nd S4 had a 2001 500hp k04 turbos Epl tune and now 2013 S4 and a 1997 toyota supra for my weekend track warrior i have been a porsche techian for 15 years, and since owing my Audi's and working on them i had never had or heard of any fire issues with them these are some of the best engineered cars in the world, but what would you know about these cars? i cant speak for jeep but all i know is that one guys jeep caught on fire in is drive way due to is note 7 blowing up while charging. and let me school you it takes a lot more than a leak from a fuel line of a Audi for it to caught on fire as long as its not leaking on hot exhaust manifold ignition wires and its smart enough to tell you if there is fuel vapor coming from the line injectors etc.
 
yea the difference in this case is the problem or defect was caught and rectified before something like this could happen this is my 2nd S4 had a 2001 500hp k04 turbos Epl tune and now 2013 S4 and a 1997 toyota supra for my weekend track warrior i have been a porsche techian for 15 years, and since owing my Audi's and working on them i had never had or heard of any fire issues with them these are some of the best engineered cars in the world, but what would you know about these cars? i cant speak for jeep but all i know is that one guys jeep caught on fire in is drive way due to is note 7 blowing up while charging. and let me school you it takes a lot more than a leak from a fuel line of a Audi for it to caught on fire as long as its not leaking on hot exhaust manifold ignition wires and its smart enough to tell you if there is fuel vapor coming from the line injectors etc.

http://patch.com/florida/stpete/samsung-galaxy-note7-may-not-have-caused-st-pete-fire-officials-say

“It was reported that a Samsung Galaxy Note7 was in the vehicle at the time of the fire and there were allegations that it may have been the cause,” St. Petersburg Fire Rescue wrote in a Monday, Sept. 19 email to media. “After a thorough investigation, fire investigators did not find a cause for the fire.”
At this time, the blaze is being listed as due to an “undetermined” cause. The agency said that “due to the destructive nature of the fire, and multiple possibilities that could not be eliminated as to the ignition source, this classification was determined most appropriate.”
 
I don't know, you tell me. Is the world wide recall fake? Is the airline ban fake? Is touch disease blowing up phones? Deflections, denial and false equivalency at their finest.:D
I dont know.What I DO know is theres potential for a lot of money to be made and 3 cases were already fake

I am amazed Touch Disease doesnt bother you.That iPhone 6 you have could die any second because of it.And millions of iPhone 6 have it

Apple iPhone was never recalled, due to explosions or any other reason.

I guess it doesn't matter if your flagship phone is exploding when your flagship phone sales are selling blackberry numbers.

This is just a bump in the road.Apple has had it too.Blackberry Numbers?Hahaha.Even with this debacle Samsung will wipe the floor with Sony,HTC and their other Android manufacturers with their results

Its actually a good thing in a way for Samsung to wake them up from their slumber.To get rid of this negative publicity something grand is gonna be on the horizon.Always on 4K OLED?Foldable displays?
 
I dont know.What I DO know is theres potential for a lot of money to be made and 3 cases were already fake

I am amazed Touch Disease doesnt bother you.That iPhone 6 you have could die any second because of it.And millions of iPhone 6 have it



This is just a bump in the road.Apple has had it too.Blackberry Numbers?Hahaha.Even with this debacle Samsung will wipe the floor with Sony,HTC and their other Android manufacturers with their results

Its actually a good thing in a way for Samsung to wake them up from their slumber.To get rid of this negative publicity something grand is gonna be on the horizon.Always on 4K OLED?Foldable displays?
Why on earth would you want "touch disease" to bother me? Why should "Exploding batteries" bother me? The question makes no sense; we're discussing the battery recall. Not hyperbole relating to other phones which are off-topic.

And what "bump" in the road did Apple have? That one quarter they "only" made $40 billion?
 
I dont know.What I DO know is theres potential for a lot of money to be made and 3 cases were already fake

I am amazed Touch Disease doesnt bother you.That iPhone 6 you have could die any second because of it.And millions of iPhone 6 have it



This is just a bump in the road.Apple has had it too.Blackberry Numbers?Hahaha.Even with this debacle Samsung will wipe the floor with Sony,HTC and their other Android manufacturers with their results

Its actually a good thing in a way for Samsung to wake them up from their slumber.To get rid of this negative publicity something grand is gonna be on the horizon.Always on 4K OLED?Foldable displays?

This thread isn't talking about all their smartphone. Its about the galaxy note 7.
The note 2 sold 30 million units the note 3 went down to 14 million. Note 4 barley did 4.5 million. Note 7 is currently stalled at 2.5 million. 2.5 million a quarter, yeah that's blackberry 10 numbers.
 
From PCMag last week

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Turns out, not even the lure of $25 can get people to stick with a phone that has a history of exploding.

More than a third of Galaxy Note 7 owners recently surveyed said they plan to get a refund, according to SurveyMonkey. Over the weekend, the site polled 507 America adults who own the phone, and found that 35 percent would seek a refund while 26 percent plan to switch to an iPhone instead.


Another 21 percent polled by Survey Monkey said they would opt for a different Samsung phone like the Galaxy S7 or Galaxy S7 Edge, according to USA Today. That leaves just 18 percent who said they plan to stick with the Note 7 once replacement handsets are available later this week."

Not a huge sample but interesting.

http://uk.pcmag.com/smartphones/84700/news/most-galaxy-note-7-owners-getting-a-refund-or-iphone
 
The note 2 sold 30 million units the note 3 went down to 14 million. Note 4 barley did 4.5 million. Note 7 is currently stalled at 2.5 million. 2.5 million a quarter, yeah that's blackberry 10 numbers.

Of course, that was 2.5 million in something like two weeks, not over a full quarter. But you knew that.

Well for me i know if my phone burn my Audi S4 beyond repair or blow up in my daughters hand causing third degree burn i don't think thats something i would forget about not for a long time if ever.

Sure, that's why I said:

"... people generally don't remember such things, especially if they didn't happen to them or someone they know."

For example, if Apple's recalls and lawsuits didn't affect you, there's little reason for you to recall all of them. Especially with Apple's PR and legal departments downplaying everything.

I am not saying that these companies are perfect but i think there is just some things that shouldn't happen and a phone blowing up while using it is one of them i think this would fall under a QA problem, multi billion dollar companies like samsung this kind of mistake shouldn't have happen.

Sure, in a perfect world. In reality, mistakes happen to everyone. Some which should've been more obvious than others. (A topic which deserves another post later on.)

As for sheer numbers, Apple has certainly had its share of battery and power related problems, including ones which it avoided taking responsibility for, until it was hit with class actions. For example:

US Recalls:
  • 2001 - Apple recalls 570,000 adapters with fire hazard sold 1998-2000.
  • 2004 - Apple recalls 28,000 laptop batteries with internal short.
  • 2005 - Apple recalls 128,000 laptop batteries with internal short.
  • 2006 - Apple recalls 1.1 million (1.8M worldwide) battery packs w/ fire hazard, injuries, property damage.
(That last recall involved as many or more batteries in the US, as Samsung with the Note 7.)

US Class Action Settlements:
  • 2008 - 2.3 million adapters w/fire hazard sold since 2001, took two years to settle.
  • 2011 - 10 million power connectors possible fire hazard sold since 2006, took two years to settle.
 
Of course, that was 2.5 million in something like two weeks, not over a full quarter. But you knew that.



Sure, that's why I said:

"... people generally don't remember such things, especially if they didn't happen to them or someone they know."

For example, if Apple's recalls and lawsuits didn't affect you, there's little reason for you to recall all of them. Especially with Apple's PR and legal departments downplaying everything.



Sure, in a perfect world. In reality, mistakes happen to everyone. Some which should've been more obvious than others. (A topic which deserves another post later on.)

As for sheer numbers, Apple has certainly had its share of battery and power related problems, including ones which it avoided taking responsibility for, until it was hit with class actions. For example:

US Recalls:
  • 2001 - Apple recalls 570,000 adapters with fire hazard sold 1998-2000.
  • 2004 - Apple recalls 28,000 laptop batteries with internal short.
  • 2005 - Apple recalls 128,000 laptop batteries with internal short.
  • 2006 - Apple recalls 1.1 million (1.8M worldwide) battery packs w/ fire hazard, injuries, property damage.
(That last recall involved as many or more batteries in the US, as Samsung with the Note 7.)

US Class Action Settlements:
  • 2008 - 2.3 million adapters w/fire hazard sold since 2001, took two years to settle.
  • 2011 - 10 million power connectors possible fire hazard sold since 2006, took two years to settle.

Are you claiming they have sold more than 2.5 million this quarter?
 
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