Although a lot of my Apple stuff spontaneoulsy quits working properly.
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Samsung Reclaims Title of World's Largest Smartphone Maker As It Recovers From Galaxy Note7
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I think the point was Samsung had a worldwide recall for the Note 7 that were exploding and were banned from flights. That's a completely different magnitude of an issue besides a random video you saw of a MacBook Pro bursting into flames or spontaneous reports of iPhones catching fire.
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Apple needs to step it on on their entire lineup of products imo. They have become fat and lazy.
Pro laptop, I would rather buy a Surface Book than an Macbook Pro
Desktop, they are lagging so far behind its pathetic
Ipad, ok...they still win imo.
Phone, well, resting on their laurels imo. iphone 6-6s-7 the changes have been so incremental I think i would have hardly noticed if my phone actually WAS a iphone 6 inside. ANd they look exactly the same too.
Do we know that they sell these at a loss? I know they do with some, but not sure about the higher end models.
Perhaps all of the posters in this thread who are taking shots at Apple should take note of this tidbit from the article:
"TrendForce said the company's sales results for its high-end smartphones still "fell short of expectations" in the first quarter, as consumer confidence in the brand had "yet to fully recover" from Galaxy Note7 recall and subsequent discontinuation in the fall."
Considering that Apple still generates something like 90% of all smartphone profits, do you it's even relevant how many devices Samsung sold?
iPhone 8 will likely be a huge success in the fall; in short supply and generate incredible buzz.
I am not sure why someone included a Mac Pro reference in this thread but it's totally irrelevant.
"TrendForce said the company's sales results for its high-end smartphones still "fell short of expectations" in the first quarter, as consumer confidence in the brand had "yet to fully recover" from Galaxy Note7 recall and subsequent discontinuation in the fall."
Considering that Apple still generates something like 90% of all smartphone profits, do you it's even relevant how many devices Samsung sold?
iPhone 8 will likely be a huge success in the fall; in short supply and generate incredible buzz.
I am not sure why someone included a Mac Pro reference in this thread but it's totally irrelevant.
This article is useless. It reports on loss of marketshare on previous growth of market share only because of the S7 disaster. Literally a no duh moment.
The 'S' series is excellent.
The 'Note' series is (usually) excellent.
The 'A' series has become their biggest selling range.
The 'J' series is doing fantastically.
Awesome. Clearly defined range.
Yet, they still have loads of other phones, and way too many variants - it gets confusing and means software updates become a nightmare to keep up with for their software division.
The 'Note' series is (usually) excellent.
The 'A' series has become their biggest selling range.
The 'J' series is doing fantastically.
Awesome. Clearly defined range.
Yet, they still have loads of other phones, and way too many variants - it gets confusing and means software updates become a nightmare to keep up with for their software division.
I am with you, when I can no longer buy an iPhone with a headphone jack I will look elsewhere. I use the headphone jack in too many ways to not have it on my phone.
Apple is 3 yrs behind everyone else. Just adding features to their phones that have been around 5 yrs ago. Waiting and just saying we refinded it so it works that much better doesn't cut it anymore.
3rd phone with the same form factor, same display and getting rid of the headphone jack doesn't show me cutting edge. Let's see what they come up with this year. I hope it's not a flop
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To believe that the only thing that matters in business is profit misses a LOT of nuance in business. is Profitability important, Absolutely. you need to have revenues coming in to be able to afford what your business does
But to believe it's the only thing that matters is self centred and closed minded. Profitability doesn't evidence what you believe it does. Especially if other items such as costs are cut in ways that cripple business ability to continue to deliver.
Profit is nothhing more than the simple formula of Revenue - Costs = Profit. So Profitability is simply how much more money than costs you brought in.
Once you've got your costs, and future budgeting costs set, any profit above and beyond is "icing on the cake" and does nto have the impact that I think you believe it has. Yes, Investors care, because in 'wallstreet', profit's tend to be divied up amongst investors in forms of dividends.
But rampant profit making without having use cases for that profit, where you wind up keeping it in bank accounts or paying only a couple people and keeping everyone else cheaply paid? That's terrible for business and terrible for economies and when that sort of penny pinching occurs, it tends to have negative repercussions on business.
so, you're wrong. Your religious adherance to "profit is all that matters" is exactly why we are in such financial positions we've been in in the current economy, growing wage gaps, and a decreasing standard of living for more and more people.
It's also important to remember that money isn't everything - not in life, not even in business.
It means you get more for your money. The more profit Apple makes, the more they sold you cheap stuff at a over price.
I.e.
When they sold a 32GB flash upgrade for $100, when the cost price is putting a diffrent $5 NAND chip into the assembly machine.
When you get cheap IPS panels instead of more costly OLED.
When they charge you $200 for the RX460 2GB upgrade on the macbook pro (and you already paid for the RX450 thats included in the base), but the price of buying the retail version of the RX480 8GB card is $210 shipped.
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Just remember:
Profit is just Revenue minus Costs
So, for a company to say have, 40% profit margin, it means that after all expenses a company might have, 40% of what you pay for the device is pure profit.
Example Numbers for simplicity:
Two phones. Both cost $1,000
Phone A: Combined costs of business come to $500 / device. with $500 profit, the company has a 50% Profit margin
Phone B: Combine costs of business come to $800 / device. With $200 Profit, the company has a 20% profit margin.
Based on these two numbers, which phone sounds like the better value to you as the consumer? (I know, it's not as cut and dry, But from a purely "business" standpoint, it's just evidence why repeating the "Biggest profits in the industry" doesn't prove anything about quality, components, or well, ANything regarding the hardware.
it only shows that the business practices of the companeis are different, and they are fine with different percentage of profit margins. Because at the end of the day, if both companies have all their current costs covered, AND have more than enough money for future budgeting costs and growth, than how much actual pure profit is meaningless to anyone but the investors.
Just how long is too long for the price to be so high customers will go elsewhere? Have more people left or have more people bought iPhones since Apple started selling the product. Cost is only part of the picture. Perceived value has many components to it. When you talk price you also have to include the value of the product. The higher the perceived value the more a company can charge. Just look at the car market, high priced car makers haven't gone out of business because they charge too much. Some of those makers will make a lower priced model to try and expand their market reach. Apple has done the same with the lower priced SE model. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the 7 plus but then neither does an entry level BMW.The company that sells less and takes 90% of the profit is taking too much of your money. Of course you need to make profit for future investments. But overprice it for too long and your customers shop elsewhere. I don't like the samsung company culture, it's too aggressive and isn't ashamed in stealing other good ideas. But on the other hand, there products are competitive priced and they offer value for money. That's a thing Apple forgot by milking their customers for way too long.
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I totally agree on you with that. If it had an Apple badge on the back everyone would praise it to heaven
Do I wish Apple would charge less? Who doesn't? Yes shareholders I hear you. Speaking about consumers here. Buyers always want to pay less if they can. Remember how Steve Ballmer, head of Microsoft at the time, scoffed at Apple selling a high-priced phone. How did that work out for Apple?
Regarding the beauty aspect, I'll go with the old adage, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For me, I will agree it looks sweet.
Was seriously considering this to replace iPhone because of the crappy batteries. Then found out my 6+ has got 10-12h battery life in many tests. 7+ got 9h. S8 got 8h+. Am I buying S8 or 7+? Hell no. In real life I unplug my 6+ from the charger in the morning and between 2pm-5pm it's drained if I don't charge it. That's 5-7 hours of run time. Pretty much half of advertised life with Actually Using The Phone Most Of The Time. I couldn't care less about how long it can idle in my pocket.
Just hoping Apple finally realizes some people actually want to use the abilities of their phones and comes up with a phone that can actually be used as a business phone. Not just as a coaster for your latte. Or comes up with a phone that charges to 70%+ in less than 10 minutes out of an external battery pack no larger than airpods case. Assuming I guessed the size right, I've no use for mediocre wireless headphones with miniature batteries.
Just hoping Apple finally realizes some people actually want to use the abilities of their phones and comes up with a phone that can actually be used as a business phone. Not just as a coaster for your latte. Or comes up with a phone that charges to 70%+ in less than 10 minutes out of an external battery pack no larger than airpods case. Assuming I guessed the size right, I've no use for mediocre wireless headphones with miniature batteries.
You used a ton of words that lacked content. If there is no profit, there is no business (except government interventions).
"Once you've got your costs, and future budgeting costs set, any profit above and beyond is 'icing on the cake'" Again. Please do not ever try to run a business. You clearly don't know anything about how businesses operate. I'm done.
How are three random letters, S, A and J clear definition? They tell me nothing about those products.
Because Apple charges more to keep their margins up doesn't mean the components are "cheap stuff" it is just their mark up.
As a consumer of Apple products I would love it if Apple would accept smaller margins, but in a capitalistic society, which I am happy to be part of, Apple will only drop the price when demand falls for a sustained period. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
It is not like Apple is forcing people to buy their products. There are choices out there in the market place. Choose what best fits your needs and pocketbook.
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Blame Qualcomm for that. The SD processors continue to be extremely disappointing, even the 835 which will be in most of the non-Asia versions of the S8/Note8. Samsung's own SoCs are faster (not up to Apple's level on single core, but still notably better overall), but Qualcomm dominance of the LTE modem market gives them a lot of leverage for getting their slow SoCs into devices.
I loved almost everything about the Note 7, but I was already planning to return it after becoming frustrated with SD820 before the recall hit.
Profit in the app store is important to developers in attracting new talent and furthering the ecosystem. If developers feel they can make more profit in the itunes app store it's better for apple. One can also marketshare is also meaningless. All of this can but cut different ways depending on the argument you are trying to prove.
yes. Simply put, any stat can be used out of context to help with any agenda, or prove/disprove existing bias.
But to counter. Do those Dev's really care about Apple's profits, OR do they care that Apple pays them. If Apple were to pay out 2x what they pay out now, Apple's profits would suffer, But do you think the Dev's would be upset over that?
Again, I'm not saying profit isn't a motivation. It absolutely is. But I was arguing the premise it's the ONLY motivation.