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Developers will find a way to use the RAM available. More sooner is better. Developers can then sooner work on apps that can take advantage. And remember that the PS3 (which also has an ADDITIONAL 256 MB of very fast additional RAM, totalling 512 MB) can have multiple apps running and in fact does this by default. The PS3 only runs one thing at a time.

RAM DOES MATTER. Apple knows that and does keep upping it. For you, any amount of RAM that Apple has is the "magic" number, whereas the industry norm is 1 GB now for tablet devices.

Tony

Your point is correct. However iPhone worked well so far even with its limits whether they were due to software or hardware. Apple gave what was due for the time that iPhone/iPad were released. iPhone4 has 512MB that's good the iPad2 will likely have the same. Sure the more the better but not necessarily required. Eventually will have 1GB. Xoom and friends pulling 1GB with no apps make no point whatsoever.

My 2p.
 
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What's all the arguing about?

Another great Apple product has forced the lame competition to up their game or face further embarrassment. End of story. This happens every few ****ing months. Apple releases something new or a great upgrade and everyone else is made to look retarded.

Move on, people. It's just business as usual.

Living in a bubble eh?
 
Wow, Steve must feel very good about the iPad. Do you remember those post from last year about people complaining how bad the iPad is? It's so funny to read these comments again. :p

Those short-sighted quotes you posted back on page 1 are excellent. Well stated. It points out very well how wrong some of the negative posts are. Good stuff.
 
Microsoft also said they would not be able to compete with the ipad 2 until 2012,

Apple seriously spanked the competition this time ^^

I don't see what's not to like about the new iPad?
 
User experience is based on specs only to the point that you need to have your hardware spec'd highly enough to provide the user experience you want.

For example (and I am going to make these "specs" up), perhaps 1 GHz chip is too slow to provide a silky smooth user experience, but 1.25 GHz chip is powerful enough. Perhaps 128 MB of RAM isn't enough to run the OS smoothly but 512 MB is the minimum that it takes to work well.

Apple's approach is to put in the 1.25 GHz chip and the 512 MB RAM and call it a day. They have produced a tablet that provides a "silky smooth user experience", they have kept their costs down, and that's how they market it and sell it to the consumer.

Other tablet company's approach would be to sell it on the specs. The bullet points would read "1.25 GHz processor! 512 MB of RAM!" Which can be misleading because those numbers by themselves tell you nothing. Is tablet A with 1 gig of RAM better than tablet B with 512 MB of RAM? Can you unequivocally answer "yes" without also knowing what kind of OS kernel, what kind of apps, what kind of memory management is going on under the hood? Are we, for example, comparing an iOS tablet with a Windows 7 tablet?

Apple's tablet has 512 MB of RAM while some competitors might be offering 1 gig, 2 gigs even. By specs alone, Apple's offering looks terrible! By specs alone, Apple had better offer 1 gig, mininum, just to keep up with the competition. This of course would raise the iPad's price or reduce Apple's profit margins. And it is the "specs alone" people that argue in the forums that Apple's offering is so outdated, so obsolete, so behind the competition.

Yet people who actually try and use an iPad, myself included, don't even realize (or care) how much RAM is in the device. I just know that it works well, it's smooth, it's responsive, and it runs the apps I want. That's user experience. I've never once thought "Gosh, my iPad would be even better if it had twice the RAM!"

Now, of course, eventually someone's going to come up with some great apps that actually use a lot of RAM, and my iPad might struggle to keep up. That translates into "poor user experience" (sluggish performance) at which point I will say "man, my iPad is getting too slow to run the modern software. I'd better upgrade". There's your example, once again, of user experience driving the need for better specs. But it is not the other way around.

Men speaks the truth when people buy one, all they care about is storage and 3g or wifi, no one ever cares how fast is the cpu or how much ram does it have, its NOT a PC. Only geeks really care about cpu, ram, to a normal person its user experience, like UI, design etc.
 
Mmmh - did you see a different keynote than i did? The Steve Jobs from the iPad 2 introduction on March 2nd, 2011 was missing all the energy that he showed in the past. His show was pale in comparison - merely reading of the text from the presentation slides. There was nothing there from his infamous reality distortion field which is what made him such a genius in the past! Hopefully he can fully recover and introduce another one or two "next big things, that shake the complete market" (so far noone does internet enabled TV's right, for example). In theory it's easy - simply understand the users needs (not uttered wishes!) and make a >good< user interface to it... But experience has shown, that a "normal" company has a hard time to actually follow that simple rule!

He sure was thin and his talk was a bit slower, probably due to heavy meds. But you know what? The man showed passion at this keynote, no one can deny this. Heck, he showed passion just by holding the Keynote by himself. It´s this passion which drives Apple at the top level. Funny to see him mocking the competition too, this is the Apple I use to enjoy. :)
 
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I'm actually not too happy about this. The iPad is great but too limited in some aspects for many users.

If the competition pulls back their tablets then there is less choice and less chance that the iPad down the road gets the features some people want or need.

I would prefer a situation where there are alternative tablets to the iPad.

It's beyond me how companies and their high paid execs can plan a device above Apple price.


Yeah, but wake up. It's not really "competition". It's just Copycatting Apple. There is no competition. The poor consumers who get suckered into a copycat tablet, I feel for them - trying to save money or avoid the Apple big brother stranglehold. All the while the biggest stranglehold is their own mindset.

Maybe some company can make an iPad or any other Apple device, smaller, faster, cheaper, with more ram, and other stuff, but that alone does not make the product competitive. Do you see that? I'm guessing many posters here don't, and I guess Samsung et al doesn't either.

If you want the benefits of competition, let's see some real competition!

Let's see someone come up with something original that makes more sense than the iPad? Guess what - they can't do that either because they are blockheads with no imagination.

Copycats don't really make competition and this Samsung thing today illustrates it well.
 
For me, I love competition. But it does irk me when the answer is plain in front of them and they don't work for it. In a way, it's actually pretty funny.

It's like Steve goes up there, throws up a graphic that has the answers on it, then performs like Dr. Evil from the first Austin Powers movie saying, "You just don't get it, do you?"

Apple's approach was to think different, but more so, think like they always did in the beginning. That, and the way it was marketed, was probably the big reason why the iPad succeeded when all the typical *let's put a laptop in a tablet and sell it on specs* approach failed hard for many years prior.
 
Yeah, but wake up. It's not really "competition". It's just Copycatting Apple. There is no competition. The poor consumers who get suckered into a copycat tablet, I feel for them - trying to save money or avoid the Apple big brother stranglehold. All the while the biggest stranglehold is their own mindset.

Maybe some company can make an iPad or any other Apple device, smaller, faster, cheaper, with more ram, and other stuff, but that alone does not make the product competitive. Do you see that? I'm guessing many posters here don't, and I guess Samsung et al doesn't either.

If you want the benefits of competition, let's see some real competition!

Let's see someone come up with something original that makes more sense than the iPad? Guess what - they can't do that either because they are blockheads with no imagination.

Copycats don't really make competition and this Samsung thing today illustrates it well.

And blind followers are blockheads too.
 
Competitors need to just stop. There's no way they can catch up now...let alone EXCEEDING the competition. They can't even tread water in the same pool! :eek:


Yes it's so stupid. They need to really try to be original for once. But I guess riding Apples coat tails can make some money too - Android is based on that.
 
And blind followers are blockheads too.

Yes, maybe they are.

I'm always looking for something better, but I don't see anyone even close to touching Apple in any aspect. The whole Apple ecosystem is so much better than these lame copycats.

Real competition - I want to see it too, but it's not happening in my opinion.

I'd be open to something new and cool - why don't they make a totally voice controlled device with a projector instead of a screen and some virtual keyboard thing like what Johnny Nemonic uses. That would be innovative and might compete. It would be new. It might win me over.

But copying these friggin iPhones, iPads and whatever else....... These companies deserve a great big boot to the ass for being such lame copycats.
I should petition for the CEO job at Samsung because I could do better.
 
Pretty sure they are making boatloads off ipad sales, loss leaders have NEVER been a part of apple strategy IIRC.

The financial reports should tell you those figures I think

They also make very, very little from apps and music.

You got it all wrong here, this is nothing like the gaming console industry......at all.

Not trying to be a dick, just saying none of that applies in the slightest from my understanding.

Maybe not initially. But, they make improvements one each generation, each year without raising the cost, while other companies are struggling to get a contender at a competitive price. This made me think that Apple may be willing to take a hit. Why are other companies struggling to get a tablet out Apple's price while Macs cost significantly more than another computer out there?
 
Before I make my point, it's important to note that:

1) I've owned an iPad.

2) I've _never_ bashed iPads.

3) I will be buying iPad 2.

4) Nor have I bashed the 7" Galaxy Tab, and I have one of those.

My _point_ is why not have an unemotional, intelligent debate or conversation about the two tablet platforms?

But no, instead people are wasting countless hours like children fighting? "my daddy is bigger than your daddy".

It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwise smart people, can argue and be so stupid.
 
Yes, maybe they are.

I'm always looking for something better, but I don't see anyone even close to touching Apple in any aspect. The whole Apple ecosystem is so much better than these lame copycats.

Real competition - I want to see it too, but it's not happening in my opinion.

I'd be open to something new and cool - why don't they make a totally voice controlled device with a projector instead of a screen and some virtual keyboard thing like what Johnny Nemonic uses. That would be innovative and might compete. It would be new. It might win me over.

But copying these friggin iPhones, iPads and whatever else....... These companies deserve a great big boot to the ass for being such lame copycats.
I should petition for the CEO job at Samsung because I could do better.

Armchair quarterbacks are always better, aren't they?
 
Yes, maybe they are.

I'm always looking for something better, but I don't see anyone even close to touching Apple in any aspect. The whole Apple ecosystem is so much better than these lame copycats.

Real competition - I want to see it too, but it's not happening in my opinion.

I'd be open to something new and cool - why don't they make a totally voice controlled device with a projector instead of a screen and some virtual keyboard thing like what Johnny Nemonic uses. That would be innovative and might compete. It would be new. It might win me over.

But copying these friggin iPhones, iPads and whatever else....... These companies deserve a great big boot to the ass for being such lame copycats.
I should petition for the CEO job at Samsung because I could do better.

True, all they do is trying to copy Apple as good as possible without having much unique ideas of their own. Look at this Galaxy Tab or the Android Phone. Well, they look almost identical to the iPhone. Almost feels like buying a replica watch. You know it´s cheap, but you just want to show off.

Props to Microsoft for at least trying to create something different with their Windows 7 Phone Software though. It´s snappy and doesn´t seem to be all that bad. The only real competition I could see would come from Microsoft in the long run. If they happen to choose to invest stronger into this field that is.
 
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Before I make my point, it's important to note that:

1) I've owned an iPad.

2) I've _never_ bashed iPads.

3) I will be buying iPad 2.

4) Nor have I bashed the 7" Galaxy Tab, and I have one of those.

My _point_ is why not have an unemotional, intelligent debate or conversation about the two tablet platforms?

But no, instead people are wasting countless hours like children fighting? "my daddy is bigger than your daddy".

It never ceases to amaze me how many otherwise smart people, can argue and be so stupid.
Got to love fanboys... on both sides.

Then there is the people that hate just because its apple. I mean seriously?
 
Most aspects of a design are difficult to reduce to a handful of numbers. Clock speed and RAM size present such a tiny part of the whole picture. But engineers and marketing people know how to puff up those specs for a minimum cost, and people buy those products and think they are getting a good deal. Even a badly designed device can have a high clock speed and lots of RAM; it doesn't mean it will perform well.

If you are looking for objective and quantifiable metrics to judge a device by, I'd suggest you abandon most of the common specs, and look to benchmarks instead. Benchmark results depend on everything that shows up in the specs sheet, as well as all those other important details that rarely if ever show on the spec sheet. Benchmarks are harder to fake with a bit of marketing puffery.

More importantly, specs fail to capture any aspect of ease of use, or personal satisfaction. I consider both of these as important aspects of my product buying decisions.

+1 I totally agree. We've just came off of several decades where throwing raw power at a computing problem was the preferred solution. Meanwhile, the more powerful the computer, the more resources the programs demanded to do the same job the previous versions accomplished. Microsoft WORD once fit on a 400K floppy.

The idea of excessive power, "business as usual," doesn't play well in the portable arena. It fails totally when the devices become thinner and lighter, a la the iPad.

Apple makes
 
Your point is correct. However iPhone worked well so far even with its limits whether they were due to software or hardware. Apple gave what was due for the time that iPhone/iPad were released. iPhone4 has 512MB that's good the iPad2 will likely have the same. Sure the more the better but not necessarily required. Eventually will have 1GB. Xoom and friends pulling 1GB with no apps make no point whatsoever.

My 2p.

The 1 GB serves as a guideline for developers to begin to USE that amount, meaning up their memory footprint based on potential multiple running apps and OD requirements. The chicken can't come before the egg here. And they will use it well before the next generation.

Tony
 
Yes, benchmarks tell the FULL story, true. But by and large benchmarks follow specs and specs are the only common ground that can give you a hint and what the benchmarks might look like. Unless there was a neutral 3rd party that consistently and unbiasedly benchmarked products before they came out and that was the criteria for listing performance, the specs are all the manufacturers can list. If Apple came out and said "We have a new iPad 2 that works reall well" I don't think that would fly. Even THEY have to give SOME indication of hardware specs in terms of processor and graphics chip.

Also, specs are not only about performance. RAM may indicate how many programs you can run at once and the level of things like texture complexity available for games. It's not unimportant and something that's hard to benchmark. Also, hardware components like USB, flash memory, microSD, etc are simply FACTS - more is better, it has nothing to do with benchmarks. Even the inclusion of "4G support" tells you something about performance, knowing certainly it's going to be SOME degree faster than 3G.

Bottom line is - stop just repeating what Steve Jobs says! :p I like Apple products as well, but I want to challenge them to make BETTER products. Certainly, the Ipad 2 should have had a lot more things like 4G, USB, micoSD and the like. These are common features in most other products that are not just "specs" but have real functional uses.

Tony

Apple takes a different approach to marketing that relies less on detailed spec sheets. Why do they do that, well probably because it plays to their strengths. They want to lure customers into trying their product.

All things considered, trying a product before you buy seems like a good idea to me. Besides, I'm just not sure how relevant other peoples reviews or opinions are when I can judge for myself first hand.

I do evaluate the specs carefully (e.g. mass storage sufficient to meet my needs), but there's a lot more to most products that matters than ever makes it onto a spec sheet. Particularly for tools or products for personal use, I think the feel of the thing matters a lot, and it's very much a matter of personal choice. In the end, if I test a product thoroughly, and it does what I want, why should I care about what some marketing wonk put on the data sheet?

I don't think any of my post was a repeat of SJ or anybody else, it was based on my experience. I have tested PC mother boards with seemingly similar specs with nearly a 3x difference in performance on my processing tasks. I've had experiences with CPU where details that didn't show up on data sheets make a 7x difference in performance (on a product I researched to the point that I had a face-to-face discussion with the designer before I bought).

I trust benchmarks, specs are just an indication of performance and not nearly reliable enough.
 
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