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Samsung Rethinking Galaxy Tab 10.1 After iPad 2 Unveiling

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I don't intend to stream movies while driving. By the way, that's quite against the law here in California, and not that smart to begin with.

Also there are more options that are surfacing...personal hotspot via iPhone 4, mifi, etc.

4G, in mass coverage, will come soon. Cloud will become reality soon.
 
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I wonder how many components inside the iPad have SAMSUNG stenciled on them?
 
lilo777 said:
Do you even know that Dell Streak 7 (with a dual core Nvidia Tegra 2 chip) started shipping in January. Available since then on T-Mobile (in volume).
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I don't think anyone knows that the Dell Streak is available. Hence the volume availability.

The Xoom is going to take Samsung's market share, not Apple's. As others have said, Apple isn't even paying attention to these guys.
 
MacRumors said:



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South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reports (via AsiaPulse) that Apple's iPad 2 introduction has forced Samsung to reconsider its plans for its forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1, a larger version of its initial 7-inch Galaxy Tab that is intended to offer a more similar form factor to the iPad. According to a Samsung executive, the company is looking to improve the specs of the device to be more competitive with the iPad 2.But technical specs are not the only issue facing Samsung with the Galaxy Tab 10.1, as the company also must address pricing issues that currently will make it difficult for the device to compete against the iPad 2.Apple made a number of references to the tablet competition during its iPad 2 introduction earlier this week, making a point to illustrate Apple's hardware and software head start and pricing advantages over competitors' offerings. Apple's iPad 2 comes to market even as some competitors have yet to begin shipping their first round of tablet devices announced in some cases many months ago.

Article Link: Samsung Rethinking Galaxy Tab 10.1 After iPad 2 Unveiling
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lol
 
lilo777 said:
They are just being honest. That's a stark contrast to Steve Jobs' BS that we just heard at iPad 2 event (first tablet with dual core CPU, rrrright). Also the original article spreads usual pro-Apple propaganda. Galaxy Tab for US$900? Is this a reference to some European pre-release prices? Just a BS.

If only Steve Jobs was that honest and said - yeah, we screwed up with RAM, and cameras and no-SD card and no 4G.
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He didn't say they will be the first to ship a dual core processor tablet.

He said "Even though others are starting to ship we think this will be the first to ship in volume"

See after 16:50 here:

http://mashable.com/2011/03/02/ipad-2-keynote/
 
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JAT said:
The Xoom is going to take Samsung's market share, not Apple's. As others have said, Apple isn't even paying attention to these guys.
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They are paying attention to them though. That's why the iPad 2 has cameras and a dual core processor. But you're probably right that Xoom and Tab 2 will be left to scrap it out for the... scraps. Unless Samsung decides to throw in the towel and just make money selling screens, memory and storage etc to Apple.
 
gonnabuyamacbsh said:
You act like that makes you happy. You don't want apple to have competition?


I like apple too but why do fanboys want every other tech company to fail?
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I think fanboys like to see other companies to exist but fail at the same time.

It's like basketball where you want to see all teams but your own to fail but they also need to exist.
 
iBMW said:
Yeah, and it has.... "magnets". I think those magnetic covers are the killer feature. :D
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There have been some cool uses for magnets. Apple must've looked at everyone else using them, and figured it was the hot thing to do :)

Blackberry - magnetic holsters to change mode

Palm Pre/Pixi - magnetic alignment for their inductive charging Touchstone base.

Most Android phones - magnetic docks that automatically turn them into fancy weather / news / music / alarm clocks.

HTC WinMo phones - magnetic stylus holder, which also automatically opened the notepad app if you pulled out the stylus during a call (very slick!).
 
kdarling said:
There have been some cool uses for magnets. Apple must've looked at everyone else using them, and figured it was the hot thing to do :)

Blackberry - magnetic holsters to change mode

Palm Pre/Pixi - magnetic alignment for their inductive charging Touchstone base.

Most Android phones - magnetic docks that automatically turn them into fancy weather / news / music / alarm clocks.

HTC WinMo phones - magnetic stylus holder, which also automatically opened the notepad app if you pulled out the stylus during a call (very slick!).
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Apple has been using magnets for a long time though. They used it to eliminate buttons to open laptop covers, and used it for magsafe on macbooks.
 
mcmlxix said:
You’re half right. For Apple, hardware specs, OS, and software are greater than the sum of the parts. I think we agree on this.

But the average consumer knows what numbers are, and they know that 512 is bigger than 128, and bigger is better, right? If this is how they’re marketed to, then it’s an internalized part of their mindset.

But the consumer often doesn’t understand two things. One, they often don’t even need the raw horsepower being sold to them. Two, they can have a car with the best engine in the world, but if the dash board and steering wheel are complicated to use and inefficient, then how are they going to take advantage of that engine.

So given no prior user experience, the consumer will opt in for bigger is better.
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I think when it comes to specs consumers care more about storage space than speed or memory...

At least that's how I see it.
 
addicted44 said:
Apple has been using magnets for a long time though. They used it to eliminate buttons to open laptop covers, and used it for magsafe on macbooks.
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It was probably my favorite part of Steve's presentation. Where he says "how did we do this, did we put some screws in there?, No, we used.... "magnets"!" And for that moment, I believed that magnets were created by grinding up unicorn horns and adding a pinch of stardust.

Actually, they used them before that too. The latches on the old PowerBooks retracted and were drawn out by a magnet at the right time to latch while closing. That was neat.
 
kdarling said:
The CPU, although customized by Apple, is widely assumed to be manufactured at Samsung.
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I don't think that's a fair categorization. Apple licenses ARM's architecture, and does their own logical and physical design for at least large swaths of the chip (for the A5, probably for most of the chip - not sure if the GPU IP is hard or soft IP, however). Samsung may be the fab (it was for the A4 - I don't think we know that for the A5), but their contribution to the A5 is probably nothing more than manufacturing - Apple ships them a mask in gdsii format, and they run it through their fab. It wouldn't surprise me if they've already switched to TSMC or another fab for A5; if they haven't done it yet, they will at some point.
 
cmaier said:
......Samsung may be the fab (it was for the A4 - I don't think we know that for the A5), but their contribution to the A5 is probably nothing more than manufacturing - Apple ships them a mask in gdsii format, and they run it through their fab.....
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Isn't that what the man said? Samsung manufacture it.
 
lilo777 said:
Let's see:
  • Instant on - it's a spec (boot time)
  • better interaction with the device - that's questionable (depends on application) you probably refer to a touch screen, which is a spec
  • portability - two specs: size and weight

Any way you look at it, it's all about specs. Boot time gets improved when computer uses SSD instead of HDD. When you say "runs faster" again, you refer to SSD (because we all know that MBA does not run games faster than a gaming rig).
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Fair enough, I thought you were referring to specs in terms of processor and RAM purely. Either way, the iPad is about software. The touch screen for example, is a spec, the gestures implemented, inertial scrolling, pinching, elastic banding off when you hit the top of a list (for a better name). Other nitty gritty little things which when combined, all go to improve the user experience. That's all software, although obviously it needs the right hardware behind it for it to work.

A $299 netbook has better specs than an iPad, the user experience is worse because of the wrong software. A tablet running Windows 7 is probably more powerful than an iPad, the user experience is worse because it runs a far heavier operating system designed around a keyboard and mouse. You put Windows 7 or OS X on an iPad, it will suck ass, and you can chuck all the hardware you want at it but that wont change a thing.

Whilst specs are admittedly important, its just not correct to say it's all about specs.

Edit: Also, THIS.


notjustjay said:
User experience is based on specs only to the point that you need to have your hardware spec'd highly enough to provide the user experience you want.

For example (and I am going to make these "specs" up), perhaps 1 GHz chip is too slow to provide a silky smooth user experience, but 1.25 GHz chip is powerful enough. Perhaps 128 MB of RAM isn't enough to run the OS smoothly but 512 MB is the minimum that it takes to work well.

Apple's approach is to put in the 1.25 GHz chip and the 512 MB RAM and call it a day. They have produced a tablet that provides a "silky smooth user experience", they have kept their costs down, and that's how they market it and sell it to the consumer.

Other tablet company's approach would be to sell it on the specs. The bullet points would read "1.25 GHz processor! 512 MB of RAM!" Which can be misleading because those numbers by themselves tell you nothing. Is tablet A with 1 gig of RAM better than tablet B with 512 MB of RAM? Can you unequivocally answer "yes" without also knowing what kind of OS kernel, what kind of apps, what kind of memory management is going on under the hood? Are we, for example, comparing an iOS tablet with a Windows 7 tablet?

Apple's tablet has 512 MB of RAM while some competitors might be offering 1 gig, 2 gigs even. By specs alone, Apple's offering looks terrible! By specs alone, Apple had better offer 1 gig, mininum, just to keep up with the competition. This of course would raise the iPad's price or reduce Apple's profit margins. And it is the "specs alone" people that argue in the forums that Apple's offering is so outdated, so obsolete, so behind the competition.

Yet people who actually try and use an iPad, myself included, don't even realize (or care) how much RAM is in the device. I just know that it works well, it's smooth, it's responsive, and it runs the apps I want. That's user experience. I've never once thought "Gosh, my iPad would be even better if it had twice the RAM!"

Now, of course, eventually someone's going to come up with some great apps that actually use a lot of RAM, and my iPad might struggle to keep up. That translates into "poor user experience" (sluggish performance) at which point I will say "man, my iPad is getting too slow to run the modern software. I'd better upgrade". There's your example, once again, of user experience driving the need for better specs. But it is not the other way around.
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SBlue1 said:
Wow, Steve must feel very good about the iPad. Do you remember those post from last year about people complaining how bad the iPad is? It's so funny to read these comments again. :p
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Yeah, and check out asymco.com for some further howlers from the Great Wise Men of the Internet.
 
Did we not already establish that Samsung has billions in contracts for iPad components?

On the aggregate, they probably turn a higher profit on iPads than Galaxy Tabs.
 
It's a monstrosity!!! Samsung should either give up or create a new tablet department from ground up.
 
SBlue1 said:
Wow, Steve must feel very good about the iPad. Do you remember those post from last year about people complaining how bad the iPad is? It's so funny to read these comments again. :p
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Bi-winnning as Mr. C. Sheen would say!

Wanted to do this for years!
 
cisco1138 said:
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I wonder how many components inside the iPad have SAMSUNG stenciled on them?
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Yes, makes you wonder how Samsung could fail seeing what is coming in the iPad2, ... they should have know before the official media event.
 
iBMW said:
Yeah, and it has.... "magnets". I think those magnetic covers are the killer feature. :D
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Don't laugh!

Show the average consumer the iPad's magnetic cover... or tell them about the Xoom's 1GB of RAM... and see which one gets the greater response. :)
 
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