Samsung Rethinking Galaxy Tab 10.1 After iPad 2 Unveiling

[firewood]

dual cores 5 years old

Toshiba shipped a dual core tablet in 2005 or 2006. Anyone here consider that a volume shipment?

I actually saw one... emphasis on the "one".

 

[KnightWRX]

focusing on the fact that it's a "coined phrase". Ignore that

At this point, I'll agree with you. We're saying the same thing. Let's ignore facts and pretend what Steve says is the ultimate truth. That is the reality distortion field.

(and again, I'm not saying 1000 units is "shipping in volume". Read this slowly :

- manufacturer does limited run to fill select partner orders/pre-orders. Uses this time to build inventory and ramp up production. Sends these few units out (which could be 100, 1000, 1,000,000 units). This isn't shipping in volume, no matter the unit count. They are doing limited shipping. Availability is limited to these select partners. Think of it as Apple doing a launch of iPad 2 on March 7th to Best Buy and their own retail stores only with each store receiving a maximum of 10 units.

- 2 weeks later, manufacturer has enough inventory, opens up shipping to any one who places an order and orders go out from inventory while manufacturing replenishes this inventory fast enough for it to not run out and cause a "back order". This is now called "shipping in volume" as far as the coined term goes. Orders are filled and manufacturer doesn't fall behind on production.)

As far as we're concerned, February 24th is the day the Xoom started "Shipping in Volume".

Now, if you Ignore all of this and just redefine "Shipping in Volume" to mean whatever Steve wanted it to mean, yes, in fact iPad 2 will be the first tablet ever to do "something Steve completely and subjectively made up" with a Dual core processor.

I should really stop posting and arguing when I first say I do...

Toshiba shipped a dual core tablet in 2005 or 2006. Anyone here consider that a volume shipment?

I actually saw one... emphasis on the "one".

If you want to get that technical, HP has been shipping dual core tablets since 2008. The Touchsmart series. But lets at least pretend to stick to the new "mobile device tablet" subset and let's ignore the "PC Tablet" superset.

 

[cmaier]

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Now, if you Ignore all of this and just redefine "Shipping in Volume" to mean whatever the dictionary says, yes, in fact iPad 2 will be the first tablet ever to do "something Steve completely and subjectively made up" with a Dual core processor.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[KnightWRX]

Fixed that for ya.

Yes, let's ignore the coined industry terms since they make Apple look bad. I love this site.

 

[DeathChill]

At this point, I'll agree with you. We're saying the same thing. Let's ignore facts and pretend what Steve says is the ultimate truth. That is the reality distortion field.

(and again, I'm not saying 1000 units is "shipping in volume". Read this slowly :

- manufacturer does limited run to fill select partner orders/pre-orders. Uses this time to build inventory and ramp up production. Sends these few units out (which could be 100, 1000, 1,000,000 units). This isn't shipping in volume, no matter the unit count. They are doing limited shipping. Availability is limited to these select partners. Think of it as Apple doing a launch of iPad 2 on March 7th to Best Buy and their own retail stores only with each store receiving a maximum of 10 units.

- 2 weeks later, manufacturer has enough inventory, opens up shipping to any one who places an order and orders go out from inventory while manufacturing replenishes this inventory fast enough for it to not run out and cause a "back order". This is now called "shipping in volume" as far as the coined term goes. Orders are filled and manufacturer doesn't fall behind on production.)

As far as we're concerned, February 24th is the day the Xoom started "Shipping in Volume".

Now, if you Ignore all of this and just redefine "Shipping in Volume" to mean whatever Steve wanted it to mean, yes, in fact iPad 2 will be the first tablet ever to do "something Steve completely and subjectively made up" with a Dual core processor.

I should really stop posting and arguing when I first say I do...

I understand where you're coming from, but it's clearly the wrong angle.

Steve was making a presentation to his customers, who aren't involved in the industry and aren't familiar with any coined phrases. It's obvious how he was using the word volume and it fits perfectly with the definition of the word. He was trying to say that the iPad 2 will be the first dual core tablet that will ship in large quantities. I don't agree with your criticisms or conclusion but I understand how you could get there.

 

[KnightWRX]

I understand where you're coming from, but it's clearly the wrong angle.

Clearly. Because from my angle, Apple looks bad. Gotcha.

Steve was making a presentation to his customers, who aren't involved in the industry and aren't familiar with any coined phrases.

I'm not involved in the manufacturing industry and I'm a customer of Steve. Yet since I don't live a totally sheltered existence, I had heard the phrase "Shipping in volume" tons of times before that keynote.

But look, you're right. Steve is perfect and would never make a mistake. He'd also never claim a CEO said sales "we're small" when that CEO said "we're smooth" and the story had been all over the media a month prior. He'd NEVER do such an IMPERFECT thing. Ever.

 

[cmaier]

Yes, let's ignore the coined industry terms since they make Apple look bad. I love this site.

So Steve was presenting to the industry? What other coined industry terms did he use?

Or was this the only "coined industry term" he used?

Or, as it seemed to many of us, was he just using plain and ordinary English with words meaning what they mean to his customers, who he seemed to be addressing?

 

[KnightWRX]

So Steve was presenting to the industry? What other coined industry terms did he use?

Or was this the only "coined industry term" he used?

Or, as it seemed to many of us, was he just using plain and ordinary English with words meaning what they mean to his customers, who he seemed to be addressing?

Why even bother to use something like "Shipping in volume" then instead of a plain "We'll be the first to ship more" ?

And why is it that no one bothers to answer this simple question after I've asked it numerous times of the "Steve just meant something other!" people ?

 

[itsmemuffins]

Umm knight is in the Industry and that has been proven by his post in the past multiple times.

In the range of Apple Fanboy to lets say Android fan Boy knight is much closer to Apple Fanboy than not. Difference is he does not live inside the RDF that most people here do. The people who claim to be in the industry chances are do not work in the industry but are nothing more than Apple fanboys.

Also the fact that people think SJ does not lie or spread bogus information really need to get their head checks. Apple has multiple times in the past pretty much came with in inches of lieing to flat out told a lie and used it as marketing BS.
SJ as a marketing genuis. But he is a greedy selfish little man. As a person I think very little of SJ.

Because you know them so well, being that you are in the same circle of fiends, work together so on and so forth...

 

[cmaier]

Why even bother to use something like "Shipping in volume" then instead of a plain "We'll be the first to ship more" ?

And why is it that no one bothers to answer this simple question after I've asked it numerous times of the "Steve just meant something other!" people ?

I'm not sure I understand the question. I was in the industry for many years. To me "shipping in volume" has always meant "shipping a lot." this is also the plain English meaning of the phrase. It's how we used to talk about Via ("yeah, they're shipping a chip with feature X, but we'll be the first to ship volume.") It's how folks in Silicon Valley talk. Sorry it doesn't correspond to your preferred construction of the phrase.

 

[DeathChill]

Clearly. Because from my angle, Apple looks bad. Gotcha.

Huh? How does Apple look bad. They defined the damn tablet market.

I'm not involved in the manufacturing industry and I'm a customer of Steve. Yet since I don't live a totally sheltered existence, I had heard the phrase "Shipping in volume" tons of times before that keynote.

But look, you're right. Steve is perfect and would never make a mistake. He'd also never claim a CEO said sales "we're small" when that CEO said "we're smooth" and the story had been all over the media a month prior. He'd NEVER do such an IMPERFECT thing. Ever.

I am not saying that, but I'm talking about the single statement. I don't give a crap if he ripped off a puppies head and drank its blood. I want to talk about the one single statement.

It's clear what Steve meant, even if it offends you that he used a phrase that has been coined already with a different meaning.

 

[nns]

Indeed. Only 0.3% of the population have bought any sort of tablet.
That leaves 99.7% of the population as a market.
Typically, open systems will win out over closed or proprietary systems.
If Apple had marketed OSX as an open system, which anyone could install on their computer, they might have been able to overtake Windows.
What will happen is that an open system like Android will overtake the Apple tablet the same way that it has overtaken ios in the smartphone market.
Apple is hoping that it can keep people upgrading their devices every year rather than offering them a really good tablet that people will keep for several years, but with the world economy struggling, their strategy seems myopic.

You mean like the way Linux won the desktop wars? Few who buy computers care about "open systems"; most people care about price. That was why Windows won.

 

[bassfingers]

I know people who would buy this solely because it isn't made by apple. Makes them feel special or something

 

[moderately]

http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/ericsson-shipping-lte-gear-in-volume-0723/

I do not think this quote supports your point at all. It reads to me more in support of Steve's usage, although it is arguable (sigh).

“the volume shipments are due primarily to one of those customers” to me this says that they have been shipping LTE gear and now because of one of their customers they are shipping in volume. You are arguing that "shipping" and "shipping in volume" have identical meanings- why would that be? Did some PR flack coin "shipping in volume" because it sounds more impressive?

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Huh? How does Apple look bad. They defined the damn tablet market.

They don't look bad. WRX just can't let it go. He's spinning in circles trying to convince everyone he's right but no amount of spin will work.

He also wants to bury the posts I made earlier exposing his lies about macrumors being the only one to report Samsung redefining their tablets. The same story about Samsung's CEO admitting ipad2 will make them have to revise to keep up. The story he ignored and posted around.

The number of duo core tablets shipped/sold is extremely small next to the industry standard that is the ipad. I certainly never heard of these until someone had to search around for one to post here to try and make a silly point.


On a related note, I imagine the fans of this Motorola tablet must be upset that it doesn't support Adobe Flash. After all it was a big deal when it came to iOS.

 

[iBMW]

I know people who would buy this solely because it isn't made by apple. Makes them feel special or something

This is probably the funniest thing I've read so far today. Let's be clear here... you are joking, right?

 

[PlipPlop]

I know people who would buy this solely because it isn't made by apple. Makes them feel special or something

Im sure lots of people will buy it because its made by Apple rather than if they need a tablet or not.

Anyway apparently this story is wrong anyway.
http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-launch-unaffected-by-ipad-2?=54119

 

[itsmemuffins]

What part of my post is it that you have issue with? Keep in mind that I was responding to a post from someone else who did suggest that I should buy a new iPhone 4 and a new iPad 2 so that I could help make Steve Jobs rich.

The part where you expect Apple to keep supporting a three year old product that they no longer sell or manufacture.

You can always buy an Android phone on a previous os and feel happy when the manufacturer magnanimously lets you update to the current one before completely dropping support for it six months later.

Sorry gotta go and pose with my iPhone 4 at a local caf...tootles...

 

[KnightWRX]

The part where you expect Apple to keep supporting a three year old product that they no longer sell or manufacture.

Kind of a bummer for people who bought the iPhone 3G on a 2 year contract in June 2010 though is it not ? Brand new in box directly from Apple. They got what, 8 months of OS updates out of it ? Not that they really got the 4.0 update though, their version was pretty bastardized.

 

[iBMW]

The part where you expect Apple to keep supporting a three year old product that they no longer sell or manufacture.

You can always buy an Android phone on a previous os and feel happy when the manufacturer magnanimously lets you update to the current one before completely dropping support for it six months later.

Sorry gotta go and pose with my iPhone 4 at a local caf...tootles...

I don't expect Apple to do anything! Wasn't that clear enough in the previous posts? If not, let me restate: I don't expect Apple to do anything. I don't expect them to support a three year old product.

And, since they don't, and dealing with the reality of the situation and not some crazy scenario where I go and buy an iPhone 4 just so I can have internet access on a tablet, that leaves me with a situation where the best course for me would be a 3G iPad 2, and that puts it into the same sort of pricing as the other (also 3G supporting) tablets out there. That's the point.

So, while the other poster was right, and for iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 users iOS 4.3 will mean that they could just opt for the WiFi only iPad 2, and enjoy internet anywhere, it is not correct to say "I know you just didn't know, but iOS 4.3 ...." when iOS 4.3 doesn't help me at all. I'm not crying about it. Just saying.

 

[Luis Ortega]

Right, but you are making a strawman argument. All I ever said is that the xoom is no better poised for the most common use of SD - transfer of photographs off of cameras - than the iPad. You keep trying to bend over backwards to make up some reason that it isn't true.

It remains true that a micro-SD slot is useless to most photographers, and so, just like on iPad, xoom owners will have to rely on cost-added adapters.

You are missing the point altogether.
Most cameras use sd, but come with a paltry 32mb card so the first thing everyone does is buy a 4 to 32 gb sd card for their new cameras.
Therefore, it's just as cost effective to buy a micro sd card and use it in their cameras with the sd adaptor and then also be able to use it as is in the xoom micro sd slot. A much more elegant solution.
This avoids having a supposedly mobile device trailing all sorts of cables and card readers, as is the case for the ipad.

 

[cmaier]

You are missing the point altogether.
Most cameras use sd, but come with a paltry 32mb card so the first thing everyone does is buy a 4 to 32 gb sd card for their new cameras.
Therefore, it's just as cost effective to buy a micro sd card and use it in their cameras with the sd adaptor and then also be able to use it as is in the xoom micro sd slot. A much more elegant solution.
This avoids having a supposedly mobile device trailing all sorts of cables and card readers, as is the case for the ipad.

No. Most people already have their cameras, and thusnalready have their SD cards. Even people buying new cameras already have the memory cards they have already been using for their old cameras.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

You are missing the point altogether.
Most cameras use sd, but come with a paltry 32mb card so the first thing everyone does is buy a 4 to 32 gb sd card for their new cameras.
Therefore, it's just as cost effective to buy a micro sd card and use it in their cameras with the sd adaptor and then also be able to use it as is in the xoom micro sd slot. A much more elegant solution.
This avoids having a supposedly mobile device trailing all sorts of cables and card readers, as is the case for the ipad.

An ipad with 64Gb memory can be filled with music and movies. Using 32Gb internal plus 32Gb on a card limits the amount of music and movies that can be stored if you plan to use the port for transferring photos.

No one says you have to carry a cable around constantly. If you are on the go with a camera and plan to transfer files while out and about then you probably have a camera bag on you to carry a cable.

But if this port is the selling point for some then by all means go for it. Perhaps you could list all tablets with ports and compare and contrast each one so users can make a better choice. Shouldn't take you long to do. There seems to be only 2-3 new tablets a week.

 

[trunten]

i'm sorry but:

Frykhammjar said that Ericsson is installing LTE gear for Verizon, Metro and AT&T (NYSE:T), which plans its 4G launch in 2011, but “the volume shipments are due primarily to one of those customers,” he noted. Though Frykhammjar wouldn’t name names, that customer is most certainly Verizon, which plans a large-scale commercial 4G launch by year end covering 100 million pops in 25-30 major markets.


from the article WRX cited as evidence to prove his argument, and in fact, disproves it.

 

[shamurai]

Kind of a bummer for people who bought the iPhone 3G on a 2 year contract in June 2010 though is it not ? Brand new in box directly from Apple. They got what, 8 months of OS updates out of it ? Not that they really got the 4.0 update though, their version was pretty bastardized.

Yeah, maybe. Just because they only got a few months of updates doesn't mean they wont get that much more use out of it. I had the original iPhone from 07 and didn't upgrade till the iPhone 4 came out because Apple kept giving me FREE upgrades. Now my son uses that phone and I have the new one. And since when do you buy an item and expect it to not be obsolete within a few months.
My samsung television has the same features it had when I bought it 2 years ago. If I want a 3D tv I have to buy a new one. My car wont get VW's newest engine and they only do firmware upgrades if they find a bug, not to add new features. So I don't really see your point at all.