Samsung Rethinking Galaxy Tab 10.1 After iPad 2 Unveiling

[bengal1022]

Why does Jobs need to honest about the products flaws? The iPad is doing exceptionally well. I Think the only reason the Samsung executive is saying this is because they aren't successfully competitive to the iPad in terms of price, hardware, ecosystem, etc.

Didn't the Samsung executive exaggerate their own tablet sales?

- No, Google is the manufacturer of the Android OS.

- No, in addition to the manufacturers Motorola, HP, and Blackberry, "other" Asia-based manufacturers, that make those $100 crap tablets.

But you knew what I meant,

I'll correct my entry to not confuse you.

It also sounded like u were insinuating that your aforementioned companies ( motorola, HP, and Blackberry (RIM)) were Asian, which couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[DeathChill]

Have you even read my posts ? I'm not saying that at all. I've told you countless times how the phrase has been used over the years. If you still don't get it, all that's left now is to basically ignore you. I suggest you also just ignore my posts.

I read your posts; you keep saying it's an industry phrase with absolutely no back up beyond one article where a product is, *GASP*, shipping in large amounts for that particular industry!

In fact there are multiple people WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY who tell you you're wrong.

I'm saying that let's completely ignore this "coined phrase" for a second: when Steve says shipping in volume you would assume that means large amounts, yes?

 

[bengal1022]

I'm actually not too happy about this. The iPad is great but too limited in some aspects for many users.

If the competition pulls back their tablets then there is less choice and less chance that the iPad down the road gets the features some people want or need.

I would prefer a situation where there are alternative tablets to the iPad.

It's beyond me how companies and their high paid execs can plan a device above Apple price.

I'm just curious, what features are you seeking in a tablet? And how does it compare to the features you would get if you just settled for a laptop.

User experience depends on specs and specs only. Every single aspect of "user experience" is defined by specs. Every design starts with "specs". OS features, GUI features - it's all specs.

You both are right in my opinion. .

Go and watch the keynote again and then come back to apologise.

Steve said that he believes it will be the first dual core table to SHIP IN VOLUME!!! You appear to have missed the critical part of the statement.

If you are not interested in Apple products why do you come here?
I never understand the need for people who hate Apple wasting their time in Apple forums, what is the point? Is it jealousy? I don't waste my time going into forums for things that I have no interest in, simply to put things down, that would be a very sad, sad life.

Perhaps you need to just let Apple get on with what they do, and you just move on and ignore it.

I couldn't agree more. This individual has too much time on their hands. But as you pointed out, not enough time to get the whole of what Steve said.

 

[ozred]

Apple continuously send their competitors into a state of flux.

In the fifteen years I've been an Apple user, I've never seen a competitor in a state of flux. Post a link with supporting evidence.

In my opinion, Apple develops their products over a period of time; not over night. So when something new hits the market from apple, their competitors go into a hasty frenzy

All others develop over time as well. The hasty frenzy is an imaginary vision conjured up over just one company making adjustments to one product.

Anyone familiar with the tech sector knows this is a common, frequent practice amongst many companies.

The only reason this is getting any attention is the fact they are competing with Apple who's led by a very polarizing egotistical control freak.

His greatest skill is effective marketing based on wild claims like "Magical & Revolutionary. By creating a cult like customer base who'll buy anything with an Apple logo, believe anything their told, and buy into a censored closed ecosystem out of sheer convenience gives Apple a substantial yet temporary lead.

 

[bengal1022]

Not sure what you're confused about. What do you think should change? Should Apple stop buying Samsung chips? What good does that do Apple? Should Samsung stop selling chips to Apple? How does that help Samsung?

Basically, I'm not really sure what you're proposing.

I think he/she is asking a question. Apple designed the chips, and therefore Apple holds the patent. Samsung is a manufacturer of those chips based on Apples deign, and therefore their patent. So they can manufacture the chips, but they can not duplicate them and use them in their own products unless Apple "license" them the technology. Same with the LCD screens and capacitors technology, as well as retina display, which is not manufactured by Apple, though Apple holds the patent.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I read your posts; you keep saying it's an industry phrase with absolutely no back up beyond one article where a product is, *GASP*, shipping in large amounts for that particular industry!

In fact there are multiple people WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY who tell you you're wrong.

I'm saying that let's completely ignore this "coined phrase" for a second: when Steve says shipping in volume you would assume that means large amounts, yes?

Umm knight is in the Industry and that has been proven by his post in the past multiple times.

In the range of Apple Fanboy to lets say Android fan Boy knight is much closer to Apple Fanboy than not. Difference is he does not live inside the RDF that most people here do. The people who claim to be in the industry chances are do not work in the industry but are nothing more than Apple fanboys.

Also the fact that people think SJ does not lie or spread bogus information really need to get their head checks. Apple has multiple times in the past pretty much came with in inches of lieing to flat out told a lie and used it as marketing BS.
SJ as a marketing genuis. But he is a greedy selfish little man. As a person I think very little of SJ.

 

[DeathChill]

Umm knight is in the Industry and that has been proven by his post in the past multiple times.

In the range of Apple Fanboy to lets say Android fan Boy knight is much closer to Apple Fanboy than not. Difference is he does not live inside the RDF that most people here do. The people who claim to be in the industry chances are do not work in the industry but are nothing more than Apple fanboys.

Also the fact that people think SJ does not lie or spread bogus information really need to get their head checks. Apple has multiple times in the past pretty much came with in inches of lieing to flat out told a lie and used it as marketing BS.
SJ as a marketing genuis. But he is a greedy selfish little man. As a person I think very little of SJ.

I don't follow Knight's posts; what does he do?

I am talking about the particular statement of shipping in volume. It's quite obvious what the Steve Jobs meant.

 

[iBMW]

Go and watch the keynote again and then come back to apologise.

Steve said that he believes it will be the first dual core table to SHIP IN VOLUME!!! You appear to have missed the critical part of the statement..

Actually he said "Even though others are starting to ship I think this is gonna be the first dual core tablet to ship in volume."

And and the critical part of the statement given the fact that he got it wrong, is: "I think". Basically he wrote that slide without doing any real research.

33% thinner, same legendary BS.

 

[ozred]

I think he/she is asking a question. Apple designed the chips, and therefore Apple holds the patent. Samsung is a manufacturer of those chips based on Apples deign, and therefore their patent. So they can manufacture the chips, but they can not duplicate them and use them in their own products unless Apple "license" them the technology. Same with the LCD screens and capacitors technology, as well as retina display, which is not manufactured by Apple, though Apple holds the patent.

Apple's patent is not for the standard IPS display, but instead it's a patent based on renaming an existing technology. A regular IPS Display that Apple applies the retina name to, so as to mislead the consumer into thinking that Apple created it.*

Apples brilliance is slight of hand. A trick they learned from David Copperfield.*

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't follow Knight's posts; what does he do?

I am talking about the particular statement of shipping in volume. It's quite obvious what the Steve Jobs meant.

Let knight explain it. I know it is a lot of server work.

As for SJ what he meant was marketing BS and not to be trusted or quoted as facts. Simple truth to the matter is anything SJ reports is not worth anything when it comes to what the truth is. He will speak out lies or things proven to be wrong and say it as truth. (samsungs quote for example) Not worth anything. SJ is a liar at the end of the day and not to be trusted.

What he meant was marketing BS nothing more. It was 1% truth 99% lies and BS.

 

[bengal1022]

The iPad is not designed for every user, if it tried to be then it would most likely not be any good for any of them.

Apple have designed a product for the masses and the masses are buying it.

It is clearly not for you, which is fine, you are probably not the target market and that is how reality works.

Cars are just the same, a BMW 2 seater is not for everyone, but they still make them.

Agreed. Sounds like these critics need to stick to a laptop. What are they expecting from the most functional tablet in recent times? I say to them "get a MacBook Air". Lol

 

[cmaier]

I never used the word engineering, I said an industry term.

Then you aren't one of the people to whom I was referring, are you?

Not because they removed the remote.

Um, no, not probably because they removed the remote. But $5 of that price reduction may have been. In any event, they removed the remote, and the price went down.

Hardly. You can use the same micro sd card with the adapter in a camera and then use it directly in the xoom port.

Right. Because people are going to pay extra for a card and put up with an adapter just so they can use the card with their xoom.

 

[bengal1022]

I think Steve meant the first good tablet to be shipped in volume.

I think what he said was meant to be a shot across the bow of Samsung, who if you recall, confused actual sales with units shipped. Lol.

 

[marksman]

Actually, analysts are predicting just the opposite.
Apple will lose the market dominance to Android tablets in a couple of years.



http://www.articlesnatch.com/Articl...et-In-2014--Rbc-Analyst/2159002#ixzz1Fi8RnZu9

Dude, I am an analyst... and any analyst who says that is crazy, and does not understand the market.

The only reason Apple lost so much marketshare to android in the phone world is because of artificial barriers in the marketplace created by the carrier contract system.

Apple went into an already existing MP3 market and took over.

Apple CREATED the current tablet market and will continue to dominate it for years to come. Anyone who thinks that Android will have a dominant position in the tablet market in 2 years is absolutely insane.

Think how dumb that guy is that he thinks carriers are going to have any impact on the Tablet market and adoption rate.

Tablets are only compelling for me if I can use them everywhere I want. The non 3G iPad is limited to use in places where I already have access to a real computer.

I am sure you just didn't know but IOS 4.3 introduced wifi hotspots for iPhones. That is Apple's play for this. No need for 3G on iPads when anyone can just also have an iPhone and have access anywhere they want. It makes more money for Apple and it is a more practical solution for most people. That is what Apple expects people to do, and it is not unreasonable... so you can use your iPad anywhere you are...

 

[cmaier]

I think he/she is asking a question. Apple designed the chips, and therefore Apple holds the patent. Samsung is a manufacturer of those chips based on Apples deign, and therefore their patent. So they can manufacture the chips, but they can not duplicate them and use them in their own products unless Apple "license" them the technology. Same with the LCD screens and capacitors technology, as well as retina display, which is not manufactured by Apple, though Apple holds the patent.

Apple doesn't hold any patents on the chip, though it's their intellectual property (and many others' as well, including ARM). The chip masks are protected by copyright law, not patents. But it's true that Samsung (assuming they are the fab) cannot use them in their own products without license.

 

[KnightWRX]

Dude, I am an analyst... and any analyst who says that is crazy, and does not understand the market.

The only reason Apple lost so much marketshare to android in the phone world is because of artificial barriers in the marketplace created by the carrier contract system.

You seem to be a very US centric analyst. The carrier contract system was not a barrier anywhere else and Android is still taking over.

I think the only reason Apple is losing (or actually, not gaining as fast as Android) is due to their insistence on a one size fits all policy. This is something that can also hurt them in tablets and one obstacle they didn't face with iPods when they did broaden the line-up (Classic, Nano, Shuffle, Touch...).

We'll see if Google can do the same for tablets that they did for Smartphones. I don't think at this point that anyone can predict what will happen, only speculate. The thing is, with so many people speculating different outcomes, one is bound to be right eventually and it won't have anything to do with any kind of deep understanding on the market, it'll just be pure luck on his part.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Right. Because people are going to pay extra for a card and put up with an adapter just so they can use the card with their xoom.

a lot of the SD cards I see sold now are nothing more than a MicroSD card sold with an adapter.

 

[bengal1022]

Do you even know that Dell Streak 7 (with a dual core Nvidia Tegra 2 chip) started shipping in January. Available since then on T-Mobile (in volume).

To be correct, Steve Jobs should have said: "First dual core tablet to ship in volume higher than iPad 1."

Hmmm... Didn't even knew it existed until now. What dies that say...

Apple doesn't hold any patents on the chip, though it's their intellectual property (and many others' as well, including ARM). The chip masks are protected by copyright law, not patents. But it's true that Samsung (assuming they are the fab) cannot use them in their own products without license.

Thanks for clarifying. You are correct.

In the fifteen years I've been an Apple user, I've never seen a competitor in a state of flux. Post a link with supporting evidence.

All others develop over time as well. The hasty frenzy is an imaginary vision conjured up over just one company making adjustments to one product.

Anyone familiar with the tech sector knows this is a common, frequent practice amongst many companies.

The only reason this is getting any attention is the fact they are competing with Apple who's led by a very polarizing egotistical control freak.

His greatest skill is effective marketing based on wild claims like "Magical & Revolutionary. By creating a cult like customer base who'll buy anything with an Apple logo, believe anything their told, and buy into a censored closed ecosystem out of sheer convenience gives Apple a substantial yet temporary lead.

I'm not sure about temporary. I partially agree with some of your points, but it sounds like you are subjective, and a hater.

Thanks

 

[eye]

A lot of know-it-alls up in this thread. Apple makes the most money because they make the best product at certain price points. If someone else did, they'd make more money. Market share is overrated. Apple makes money. That's what counts.

 

[iBMW]

I am sure you just didn't know but IOS 4.3 introduced wifi hotspots for iPhones. That is Apple's play for this. No need for 3G on iPads when anyone can just also have an iPhone and have access anywhere they want. It makes more money for Apple and it is a more practical solution for most people. That is what Apple expects people to do, and it is not unreasonable... so you can use your iPad anywhere you are...

I have an iPhone 3G, and have been waiting for over 2 years for wifi hotspot on it. Was really happy to learn that 4.3 will not support my really expensive phone that I just bought 2 years ago. So you're not correct, I do know, but it doesn't change the situation.

And I think the rest of what you have to say is pure crap. I don't make decisions on what products to buy based on what makes the most money for Apple. And your proposed solution doesn't sound practical to me. I don't concern myself with what Apple expects people to do.

Sorry, gotta go: An Apple sales person just called and told me to buy a iPad 2 and a iPhone 4 and then go make myself seen in all the local coffee shops dicking around with iMovie.

 

[bengal1022]

User experience goes hand in hand with specs, you can't just ignore one and skimp out on the other.

Faster hardware = no lag, smoother experience
More RAM = better multi-tasking, better browser experience
Better Display = more visually pleasing screen. Retina display anyone?

The only reason Apple brought up "specs don't matter" is for future damage control. The competition comes out with new devices pretty much as soon as new technology is released (and uses the higher spec number as an advantage vs Apple). Apple knows they can't keep up with the latest tech due to one year release cycles so what's their way of combatting that? Downplay the importance of specs when it's not in their favor.

I think both of you are right. But T what point does the "Law of Diminishing Returns" kick in vis-a-vis specs for a tablet? I'm not sure anyone expects a tablet to fully replace a laptop or desktop OC, otherwise Apple and others would simply vacat that business line. Although, I wouldn't rule this out in the future. I practically all but have given up the use of my laptop and desktop since purchasing the iPad.

 

[marksman]

Let knight explain it. I know it is a lot of server work.

LOL How is that in the industry... Everyone who works with a computer is not in the same industry.

Clearly he doesn't understand what Shipping in volume means, so it is unlikely he works in any industry related to the manufacturing and shipping and sales of computer hardware.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Well the most absurd spin I've seen on this thread is an argument that just prior to the launch of ipad 2, some cheap tablet is higher ranked that the ipad on amazon and so must be poised to take over. Right. When everyone has been anticipating ipad 2, ipad 1 managed to come in #2 on amazons rankings and we are supposed to believe that ipad 2won't go to number one on that site.


I've seen it all.

I'm in this thread to stem lilo's bashing, which was unjust. I'm not here to bash Apple products. Lilo pointed out a little fib of Steve's about "Shipping in volume", which people are now spinning all over the place like some kind of overused pop vinyl.

Steve also fibbed about the "quite small" sales comment, which was debunked weeks ago. Funny how Deathchill is staying away from that one and ignoring it instead of spinning it uh ? It's obvious the keynote was written before the ViewSonic G-Tablet and Motorola Xoom ship dates were announced and Apple really thought they'd be the first to ship a dual core tablet with such a tight March 11th deadline.

No one bothered to correct the presentation when the news came out that the translation on the Samsung quote was wrong and the Xoom and other Tegra 2 tablets shipped before iPad 2.

It's that simple people. Occam's Razor. You're not going to all suddenly die because Apple botched a few quotes in a keynote and simply ended up "lying" because of it.

I don't care enough about Tablets to know which to recommend to who.

I see you are fighting the "good fight". LMAO

Unfortunately you are blinded by your own spin. I saw you arguing that Samsung wasn't rethinking their tablet also. Wrong.

Hmmm... Didn't even knew it existed until now. What dies that say...

LOL

Exactly. I never heard of it until some people on this board who desperately want to prove Jobs lied found this obscure example of a duo core tablet.

These are mom and pop tablets.

 

[Luis Ortega]

Right. Because people are going to pay extra for a card and put up with an adapter just so they can use the card with their xoom.

Right... but people are going to fork out extra money for the ipad's cable so that they can attach their cards via a card reader and have all that crap hanging off of what is supposed to be a mobile device.

It never ceases to amaze me how fanboys will bend over backward to excuse any crap from apple then turn around and slam other manufacturers for the same thing or less.

The ipad should obviously have come with an sd slot if it wanted to keep things simple and elegant- not require a separate cable.
Maybe they'll deign to give it to you by ipad 5.
Meanwhile, once again, it will be left behind by other manufacturers who understand what customers want, and apple will remain just an overpriced niche option in a huge market.
It's a shame, because it could be so much better, but it prefers to milk its customers with equipment that needs upgrading every year.

 

[kwiiboy]

Hmmm... Didn't even knew it existed until now. What does that say...



Thanks for clarifying. You are correct.



I'm not sure about temporary. I partially agree with some of your points, but it sounds like you are subjective, and a hater.

Thanks

I am pretty sure you don't represent everybody.