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Samsung Said to Follow Apple's Lead with Fingerprint Sensor, No Iris Scanner in Galaxy S5
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I can see it now, the endless jokes.
Imagine big meeting an the CEO needs to use his phone.
Phone blocks Face, cant see.
Awkward.
The way I can see it work is Smart Glasses with Iris scan and BT data to phone.
Iris on phone, not practical.
Imagine big meeting an the CEO needs to use his phone.
Phone blocks Face, cant see.
Awkward.
The way I can see it work is Smart Glasses with Iris scan and BT data to phone.
Iris on phone, not practical.
On this board though, all innovation should end once Apple has implemented their vision. God forbid another company, let alone the "evil" Samsung, try and make that innovation work for them.
What people also don't realize, is that most of these projects don't start when another company implements it. Fingerprint tech? - OMG WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THIS?! More than likely, projects have been in the pipeline for quite some time.
Apple cannot sue Samsung for putting a fingerprint sensor in their phone, it's been done before.
However Apple can, I expect will sue Samsung, if they violate any of Apple's patents for fingerprint scanning technology (Apple owns many patents for the way that they implement the concept, i.e.) capturing, authenticating, storing to the secure enclave etc.).
Samsung are free to add fingerprint sensing tech, they'll simply have work around the patented technology of others. (or they could license the technology.. like THAT's gonna happen!)
However Apple can, I expect will sue Samsung, if they violate any of Apple's patents for fingerprint scanning technology (Apple owns many patents for the way that they implement the concept, i.e.) capturing, authenticating, storing to the secure enclave etc.).
Samsung are free to add fingerprint sensing tech, they'll simply have work around the patented technology of others. (or they could license the technology.. like THAT's gonna happen!)
Samsung Said to Follow Apple's Lead with Fingerprint Sensor, No Iris Scanner in Galax
well of course they will. As a self-claimed analysis, I hereby predict Samsung 10 years roadmap. They just implement what Apple does. Ming Chuo Ko, your move.
well of course they will. As a self-claimed analysis, I hereby predict Samsung 10 years roadmap. They just implement what Apple does. Ming Chuo Ko, your move.
Fingerprint scanner on a phone is not new (was seen first on a WinCE Phone before android exists), neither Apple Improvements are owned by some apple patent, both need 3rd party licensing, Apple filled a DESIGN patent on the fingerprint sensor on the Home button, difficult to samsung to turn arround and provide something identical, at least if they put the fingerprint scanner on the home button they must be very distinctive on apple's design (btw seems next galaxys will ditch home button).
Apple also filled for reading gestures with the fingerprint scanner, I doubt that patent will ever become valid since that function was early seen on a SAMSUNG UMPC and I think the awesome Vaio UX UMPC also does gestures with the fingerprint scanner so its obvious, btw the are the first to file, but I doubt it will ever could reach an allowance, but at least block others on patenting it, so I presume Apple will provide gesurer on the FP sensor on iOS8/iPhone6.
Samsung what is coping now is the Windows Phone 8 GUI (awesome, sorry is windows but looks and works awesome), showed on the TabPro/NotePro and eveleaks showed something similar on an "galaxy s5"screen capture (BTW HTC also copycat WP8 on their latest sense).
IMHO the fingerprint sensor offers really little on usefulness/real security, other biometric tech un-implemented yet are more effective/persuasive (as the iris scanner, deep voice recognition, etc).
Apple also filled for reading gestures with the fingerprint scanner, I doubt that patent will ever become valid since that function was early seen on a SAMSUNG UMPC and I think the awesome Vaio UX UMPC also does gestures with the fingerprint scanner so its obvious, btw the are the first to file, but I doubt it will ever could reach an allowance, but at least block others on patenting it, so I presume Apple will provide gesurer on the FP sensor on iOS8/iPhone6.
Samsung what is coping now is the Windows Phone 8 GUI (awesome, sorry is windows but looks and works awesome), showed on the TabPro/NotePro and eveleaks showed something similar on an "galaxy s5"screen capture (BTW HTC also copycat WP8 on their latest sense).
IMHO the fingerprint sensor offers really little on usefulness/real security, other biometric tech un-implemented yet are more effective/persuasive (as the iris scanner, deep voice recognition, etc).
I think they did right around the time they invented the rectangle.
I know this is meant in jest...
But did you ever read the patent briefing that Apple sent to samsung and filed in court with patents that they claimed were breached.
Apple did actually claim that Samsung copied a patent on drawing images and shapes on a digital display for UI and UX interaction.
so yes. Apple claims they invented the rectangle
Oh come on. Each iPhone 5s can still be used with a passcode.
Some people just drink bile and urinate acetic acid don't they?
Exactly. Any added security is a good thing. Theoretically I suppose that someone could lop off a finger or gouge out an eye to "try" to get around security measures, but wouldn't be easier to do what they've been able to do for years and simply beat the crap out of someone to get their passcode. (or bank card pin)
Any added security measure will be a deterrent. If those measures are transparent to the user and reliable, they are more likely to be used.
The point of Touch ID was never to make the phone more secure. The point of Touch ID was always about making the line between convenience and security... passcodes are secure but are not convenient to enter every time, so many people did not use them. Now we have Touch ID, which most people using an iPhone 5s are using. Touch ID may not be more secure than a passcode, but it offers security that is more convenient, and that is better than nothing.
Iris scanning is hardly a transparent procedure. You have to be able to acquire a good scan. Lighting, reflections, glasses etc cause all sorts of problems. Not to mention, it requires an action that would not normally be required. Same issues for voice recognition. Background noise causes issues. If the voice is different due to a cold would cause issues.
The fingerprint tech, while it may not be perfect, requires NO additional steps by the user the way that Apple have implemented it into the Home button and that's why it rocks. That's why Apple went this route and I expect that's why Samsung appears to have abandoned retina scanning as their attempt to "one up" the competition.
I like to play a game when people are driving like idiots. "Are they using their phone". So far I'm right about 90% of the time.
When someone is on my ass and talking (or texting) on the phone in the slow lane, I'll move to the fast lane and they always blow past me. Then I end up passing them 30 seconds later, cause I use cruise control and don't use the phone while driving!
I miss the days when people didn't have smartphones.
Touch ID offers convenience. It was never meant to offer more security than a passcode, what it does offer is a more convenient passcode. Iris scanning or voice recognition may (or may not) be more secure, but it's definitely not convenient (hence why many people won't use Siri in public).
Figures
Supposedly at the forefront of features and software, and still taking cues from Apple. Quietly of course...
Supposedly at the forefront of features and software, and still taking cues from Apple. Quietly of course...
I disagree with you about Iris Scanners (and retina), which I'm familiar, Security analysts considers all biometric recognition as a 2nd verification protocol to reinforce main security protocol (joint with passords/and a hardware key), this is for SERIOUS SECURITY, but Apple (as Samsung seems will do) offered it as gimmic, just to help lazy users to keep "locked" their devices.
If Apple does offer, an option to require a short password (4 digit) and figerprint recognition this is an safer measure, but FP alone NOT.
Iris Scan isnt that complex, actually very similar to fp scan, and is done on IR spectrum, the advantage is that you cant clone an iris. Similar to Retina scan (wich requires a more complex but similar sensor), btw no biometric sensor is capable to read your WILL, so are only a 2nd verification protocol.
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So they are just a security gimmic.
Agreed, although I have no issue using Siri in public. I do it all the time. When you bring the phone to your ear to activate Siri, and present your request, how does anyone who might be watching know that you are not talking to a real person on the other end of the phone? I see it as a non issue personally.
I find people walking through the grocery store talking away into their bluetooth earpiece far more off-putting. Just my opinion.
you can turn it off. however (referring to biometrics in general, not necessarily iphone), adding elements increases security, not decreases it. something you know, something you have, something you are.
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The point is if the security system is in place, transparent and easy to use then people will use it. FP security as it stands today, while not perfect is a step in the right direction for people to begin locking down their phones. Tons of people do not lock down their phones with a PIN because they see it as a hassle.
If retina scanning was all that and a bag of chips, it would be used in phones now. I expect it's not because of the challenges involved with it being a mobile device. A retina scanner to access a high security room is entirely different. It's a controlled environment unlike using a mobile device on the go.
I see this as Samsung probably wanted either Iris or fingerprint scanning on the phone. Apple showed off Touch ID and it was a hit as non-intrusive or silly. Samsung might have kept up with Iris scan to one-up Apple but the ease of using Touch ID has proven it is a good method. And perhaps the Iris scan was not as good/efficient or cheap as needed.
And think about people and cell phones...some say they are just cancer-boxes in your pocket now...then bring into the mix of holding it near your eye oh dear, thatll burn your eye out
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I didn't use a passcode for my phone. but if you get a work phone you needed one. thankfully i waited to get the iPhone 5S and even though i still have to enter it sometimes (when TouchID doesn't work or gloves or after restart) the TouchID is very convenient.
And think about people and cell phones...some say they are just cancer-boxes in your pocket now...then bring into the mix of holding it near your eye oh dear, thatll burn your eye out
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I didn't use a passcode for my phone. but if you get a work phone you needed one. thankfully i waited to get the iPhone 5S and even though i still have to enter it sometimes (when TouchID doesn't work or gloves or after restart) the TouchID is very convenient.
it's not a gimmick if it saves you time and increases device value for you. it does for me. siri, too.
You are absolutely right! I mean, based on that logic pretty much everything have been invented up to now, or at least tried. So, if Apple lets say, invent a time machine tomorrow.... well, they are not the first. It have been tried before and it does not matter at all if it have been total faliure on the past
Considering Samsung has a century of production engineering experience I expect Apple had no qualms about taking their cues from Samsung to make their own fabrication and assembly lines either. Quietly, of course. Can't let people know that some companies do things better than Apple.