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You seem fixated on years. A device could be released on Dec 31 2017 and another on Jan 1 2018. You would consider them a year apart??????? :)
Regardless, we are looking at almost 10 months difference between the two devices. Even if the Note 9 does win in any benchmark tests, is that really anything to brag about?
 
You seem fixated on years.

Sure years are meaningless according to this poster. /s


. A device could be released on Dec 31 2017 and another on Jan 1 2018. You would consider them a year apart??????? :)

Not very honest of the poster to compare a 2017 device to a 2018 device, it’s quite a desperate attempt to offer Samsung a handicap, perhaps because he feels Samsung Just isn’t able to compete.


You don’t seem to grasp the difference between 6 months and a single day.
 
Regardless, we are looking at almost 10 months difference between the two devices. Even if the Note 9 does win in any benchmark tests, is that really anything to brag about?

Are you sure its 10 months, another poster is convinced it’s only a day.
 
Sure years are meaningless according to this poster. /s




Not very honest of the poster to compare a 2017 device to a 2018 device, it’s quite a desperate attempt to offer Samsung a handicap, perhaps because he feels Samsung Just isn’t able to compete.


You don’t seem to grasp the difference between 6 months and a single day.
Dont fixate on years. If it is 6 months say so. If it is 4 months say so. If it is 10 months say so.
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Are you sure its 10 months, another poster is convinced it’s only a day.
If you are referring to me, I did not say that. I was referring to your fixation with arbitrary "years".
 
Not having the option of a stylus just holds apps back.
You can only go so far with finger input.
Yes you can design user interfaces with BIG buttons for fingers to press, but you will always be limited.
If you need finer control, or wish more precise drawing, then a tool for the job is better than your finger.
Cavemen learned that some time ago.
Juts because you CAN use a finger, does not make it the best tool at all times you know.
The flip side is designing for touch input only means the developers can put more focus into an app that may be better for users in the long run.
 
Not having the option of a stylus just holds apps back. You can only go so far with finger input.

Yes you can design user interfaces with BIG buttons for fingers to press, but you will always be limited. If you need finer control, or wish more precise drawing, then a tool for the job is better than your finger. Cavemen learned that some time ago. Juts because you CAN use a finger, does not make it the best tool at all times you know.

It's funny though...

There are over 20,000 different models of smartphones out in the world today... yet only a handful have a stylus (and most of those are the Galaxy Note from Samsung!)

So if there was a great demand for stylus-enabled phones and apps... we would have seen results already. :p

We're 10 years into the modern app era... but I don't see how apps were hampered by not having a stylus.
 
It's funny though...

There are over 20,000 different models of smartphones out in the world today... yet only a handful have a stylus (and most of those are the Galaxy Note from Samsung!)

So if there was a great demand for stylus-enabled phones and apps... we would have seen results already. :p

We're 10 years into the modern app era... but I don't see how apps were hampered by not having a stylus.
I think there is a use case for a stylus for certain tasks but it only can enhance the experience. I don’t need a stylus to use instagram, facebook, mobile banking, reading the news etc In fact most apps.
 
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I think there is a use case for a stylus for certain tasks but it only can enhance the experience. I don’t need a stylus to use instagram, facebook, mobile banking, reading the news etc In fact most apps.

No doubt. A stylus is great for drawing and handwriting notes. Maybe some other things.

But my point was... I don't agree with Piggie's assertion that not having stylus support is limiting apps.

If the stylus was that important... we'd have more phones with a stylus. And more apps to take advantage of a stylus.

But since we don't... maybe the stylus isn't as important as Piggie thinks it is. :)
 
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No doubt. A stylus is great for drawing and handwriting notes. Maybe some other things.

But my point was... I don't agree with Piggie's assertion that not having stylus support is limiting apps.

If the stylus was that important... we'd have more phones with a stylus. And more apps to take advantage of a stylus.

But since we don't... maybe the stylus isn't as important as Piggie thinks it is. :)
I Agree. Good for some very specific things but 99.9 % of Apps don’t need a stylus.
 
I get really confused by people here..... lol

Saying things like 99.9% of apps don't need a stylus.
Ummm, that's because there was never an Apple stylus to develop for.

Let me put is this way. Just say for a moment, the iPhone always had a Stylus as well as touch control. Simply because Steve Jobs liked a stylus.
Do you think by now, 99.9% of apps made for the iPhone would not need (or rather benefit from) a stylus?

And then, others commenting, well stylus can't be any good, as people don't buy phones with a stylus much.
Well if Apple never gives you that option then of course not! lol



That's the same logic of saying:

Well I make the only Mint Ice Cream you can buy anywhere.
Other companies made different flavors, but I alone am the only one that can make Mint Flavor

I as the inventor of Mint, and the only seller of mint, don't like choc-chips in my mint ice cream.
But people who like mint, still buy my ice cream, so that must mean there is no demand for choc-chips.

That's crazy logic, if the customer wants mint and that's their top priority, then they have no option.
 
I get really confused by people here..... lol

Saying things like 99.9% of apps don't need a stylus.
Ummm, that's because there was never an Apple stylus to develop for.

Let me put is this way. Just say for a moment, the iPhone always had a Stylus as well as touch control. Simply because Steve Jobs liked a stylus.
Do you think by now, 99.9% of apps made for the iPhone would not need (or rather benefit from) a stylus?

And then, others commenting, well stylus can't be any good, as people don't buy phones with a stylus much.
Well if Apple never gives you that option then of course not! lol



That's the same logic of saying:

Well I make the only Mint Ice Cream you can buy anywhere.
Other companies made different flavors, but I alone am the only one that can make Mint Flavor

I as the inventor of Mint, and the only seller of mint, don't like choc-chips in my mint ice cream.
But people who like mint, still buy my ice cream, so that must mean there is no demand for choc-chips.

That's crazy logic, if the customer wants mint and that's their top priority, then they have no option.

Third party styluses have existed right from the start though. And the lack of the Apple Pencil didn’t stop apps like notability from existing on the iPad. So it’s not entirely true to claim that the absence of a first-party stylus has hindered the development of apps which could have benefited from them.
 
I get really confused by people here..... lol

Saying things like 99.9% of apps don't need a stylus.
Ummm, that's because there was never an Apple stylus to develop for.

Let me put is this way. Just say for a moment, the iPhone always had a Stylus as well as touch control. Simply because Steve Jobs liked a stylus.
Do you think by now, 99.9% of apps made for the iPhone would not need (or rather benefit from) a stylus?

And then, others commenting, well stylus can't be any good, as people don't buy phones with a stylus much.
Well if Apple never gives you that option then of course not! lol



That's the same logic of saying:

Well I make the only Mint Ice Cream you can buy anywhere.
Other companies made different flavors, but I alone am the only one that can make Mint Flavor

I as the inventor of Mint, and the only seller of mint, don't like choc-chips in my mint ice cream.
But people who like mint, still buy my ice cream, so that must mean there is no demand for choc-chips.

That's crazy logic, if the customer wants mint and that's their top priority, then they have no option.
There are some apps like note taking apps and drawing apps where a stylus would be useful. However how is a stylus going to improve the ability to play games, use social media,
Do online shopping, online banking, send emails, read news, check up on sports scores etc. The majority of apps don’t need a stylus. There are some specific use cases where a stylus would be useful and just because 99.9 % of apps don’t need a stylus it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like Apple to include support for the pencil for this years iPhones. However I don’t see how not having stylus support is significantly holding back the iPhone?
 
Third party styluses have existed right from the start though. And the lack of the Apple Pencil didn’t stop apps like notability from existing on the iPad. So it’s not entirely true to claim that the absence of a first-party stylus has hindered the development of apps which could have benefited from them.

Yes you are technically correct, however I'm sure you are more than aware of what happens with not only 3rd party add-ons, but sometimes even official add-ons with games consoles. 99.9% of the time they die from lack of support.

For something to be fully supported by devs it needs to come as standard, otherwise they don't know if the users will have that additional hardware or not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I love styluses, or think every app should use one.
I just maintain my position I've always held that a tool, finer than a finger tip, on a small screen CAN in some instances be better.
The fact you cover anything small on screen with your finger when you press it can't be gotten around.

As I've said many times here over the years. Humans realized a million+ years ago that for some things a tool is better than a hand/finger.
Cave painting with a stick would allow more fine detail than with your hand and fingers.

I'm just not a hater on a tool (stylus) that could be used if an app would benefit from it.
Unfortunately, due to Steve Jobs words many years ago, that instantly made a LOT of Apple fans Stylus haters.

The only single funny thing to watch is how most of these haters will suddenly change their mind should Apple actually support their stylus on the phone. It's always amusing to watch that ;)
 
To be fair, judging by a lot of the childish comments posted on here, they're not that far off the mark!
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Examples being?

too many to list but hm just to get the ball rolling, the eye ball page scrolling crap samsung did.
 
https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00033839/

iOS 7 had no such feature. What the hell are you talking about?
I think he means this

https://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-x-face-id-cool-hidden-features/




''Apple isn't the first to keep the screen lit when you're reading; an optional Samsung feature called Smart Stay has done the same since the Galaxy S3 in 2012. Apple's Face ID takes it a step further by linking notifications and ringer volume to your eyeballs (hopefully this won't drain your battery too much in the process)''
 
I think he means this

https://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-x-face-id-cool-hidden-features/




''Apple isn't the first to keep the screen lit when you're reading; an optional Samsung feature called Smart Stay has done the same since the Galaxy S3 in 2012. Apple's Face ID takes it a step further by linking notifications and ringer volume to your eyeballs (hopefully this won't drain your battery too much in the process)''

Don’t think so since he claimed smart stay was releasing on iOS 7 in 2013, iPhone X is on iOS 11 and was released in 2017.


Galaxy S4 - Smart Scroll - Release Date 27 April 2013
iOS7 - Smart Stay - Release Date 18th September 2013

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