Samsung Shares New 'Ingenius' Ads Pitting New Galaxy Note 9 Against iPhone X

[Abazigal]

If twice as slow download speeds and slower pings in comparison to the QC modem means there is nothing wrong with it then sure, its fine.

The point is that once you factor in other variables, the difference in performance isn’t really all that significant.

Also, I believe in short term pain for long term gain, and I don’t mind being used as “leverage” if it means Apple can secure better deals in the long run and we all come out better for it.

It’s basically google maps all over again. Today, I don’t even have google maps installed on my iOS devices. It’s Apple maps all the way, and it works just fine for me.

 

[DevNull0]

Also, I believe in short term pain for long term gain, and I don’t mind being used as “leverage” if it means Apple can secure better deals in the long run and we all come out better for it.

The point that you seem to be missing is that buying a smartphone is not an irreversible choice for life. Despite what the hardcore fans think, you're not joining a cult when you buy a phone.

If Apple is selling phones with slow crappy radio hardware now as they try to work out the bugs in a design that will allow them to have higher margins later, the logical thing for a consumer to do is either hold off buying a phone of the "practice" generation and keep their old phone *or* buy the faster Note 9 now. Then when (if) Apple refines their design, you can reconsider buying the later version.

Just like with your google maps example. When Apple maps was having all the problems, only a true hardcore fan would even think of using Apple maps. Now, your not even having google maps installed is a logical and sensible choice. So buy your own logic, nobody should buy these practice modem Apple phones.
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Seeing how Macrumors has tuned into a Samsung website lately it will be interesting to see if it will report Note 9's outstanding display test results making it by far the best screen in a smartphone

I own an iPhone as well as several macs, I don't own any Samsung products (not even a TV or fridge) and don't plan to for the foreseeable future. Overall I like Apple more despite all their current issues. Yet, because I am not a raving fanatical cultist in support of Apple, you dismiss me as simply a Samsung shill. Wow.

These ingenious commercials are great. They're funny, insightful, poke fun at Apple where Apple needs to be made fun of. No matter how good these commercials are, I'm not going to go out and buy a Samsung product.

I don't really like the current crop of iPhones, but I very likely will buy a 2018 phone because my parents need a new phone and they can have my old one. I definitely will not be buying any Android products. Yet I guess in your book that makes me an Android Fanboy because I'm not reverent enough of Apple.

Fortunately we don't live in the world you want to and I am totally free to buy an iPhone because I believe it really is the best phone on the market right now and then come here and vent about the many flaws it does still have. That doesn't make me an Android fan or Apple hater. I love Apple, I just hate the direction the current management is taking it.

 

[torana355]

The point is that once you factor in other variables, the difference in performance isn’t really all that significant.

Also, I believe in short term pain for long term gain, and I don’t mind being used as “leverage” if it means Apple can secure better deals in the long run and we all come out better for it.

It’s basically google maps all over again. Today, I don’t even have google maps installed on my iOS devices. It’s Apple maps all the way, and it works just fine for me.

Im sorry but people defend Apple way to much, its ok to love a company but be critical when required.

 

[Baymowe335]

Sad. Samsung is getting destroyed.

 

[Abazigal]

Im sorry but people defend Apple way to much, its ok to love a company but be critical when required.

I would argue the opposite. That Apple is being graded on a curve, where their accomplishments are seemingly being downplayed or dismissed while their every misstep being subject to a disproportionate amount of criticism and blowback.

 

[FFR]

If twice as slow download speeds and slower pings in comparison to the QC modem means there is nothing wrong with it then sure, its fine.

Pretty disingenuous to keep comparing a 2018 smartphone to a 2017 model.
The 2018 iPhone is around the corner.


When you compare a 2017 Qualcomm modem to a 2017 intel modem it’s a 5 Mbps difference.


2017 iPhone X

2017 Pixel xl2

 

[FFR]

Im sorry but people defend Apple way to much, its ok to love a company but be critical when required.

You call comparing a 2018 smartphone to a 2017 model being critical?

Seems bias.

Can the note 9 record more than 5 Minutes of 4K 60 FPS yet?

Oh wait only Apple deserves your criticism Samsung is doing just fine...right?

 

[torana355]

I would argue the opposite. That Apple is being graded on a curve, where their accomplishments are seemingly being downplayed or dismissed while their every misstep being subject to a disproportionate amount of criticism and blowback.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[FFR]

The point is that once you factor in other variables, the difference in performance isn’t really all that significant.

Also, I believe in short term pain for long term gain, and I don’t mind being used as “leverage” if it means Apple can secure better deals in the long run and we all come out better for it.

It’s basically google maps all over again. Today, I don’t even have google maps installed on my iOS devices. It’s Apple maps all the way, and it works just fine for me.

Comparing a 2017 intel modem with a 2018 Qualcomm modem is a bit underhanded.

Guess some were hoping no one would notice.

 

[Abazigal]

The point that you seem to be missing is that buying a smartphone is not an irreversible choice for life. Despite what the hardcore fans think, you're not joining a cult when you buy a phone.

I prefer to think of it as being part of something bigger.

Think back to when Apple blocked flash from their iOS device browsers. Because Apple users stuck with their iOS devices for better and for worse, this was the “leverage” that Apple had to force content creators to support HTML5. Because if they didn’t, they lose access to us, a lucrative source of revenue.

Today, flash is all but dead. We made it happen. Not just Apple, but each and every one of us, through our actions and inactions. And the Apple ecosystem is better off for it in the form of a more optimised mobile web experience and a thriving App Store with quality apps optimised for touch and direct input.

Be the change you want to see.

If Apple is selling phones with slow crappy radio hardware now as they try to work out the bugs in a design that will allow them to have higher margins later, the logical thing for a consumer to do is either hold off buying a phone of the "practice" generation and keep their old phone *or* buy the faster Note 9 now. Then when (if) Apple refines their design, you can reconsider buying the later version.

See my response above for why I continue to things the way I do.

Just like with your google maps example. When Apple maps was having all the problems, only a true hardcore fan would even think of using Apple maps. Now, your not even having google maps installed is a logical and sensible choice. So buy your own logic, nobody should buy these practice modem Apple phones.

I beg to differ.

Google was the one who tried to screw Apple (and by extension, all of its users) over when they had the temerity to demand more of our user data in exchange for additional map features.

As it turned out, Apple maps was still usable here in Singapore when it debuted, and I refuse to let google profit any more out of me than they already have.

And looking at the state of android today, a case can be made that google made the wrong choice in trying to favour android with their services rather than keep google maps as a first class citizen on iOS (where they arguably earn more than all of android combined).

As someone who made the conscious decision to embrace the Apple ecosystem in its entirety many years ago, I have every incentive to see Apple grows and prosper and succeed.

And seeing how Apple’s contenders today aren’t Samsung or Microsoft or even Google but government bodies like the FBI, I will say we are getting there.

 

[torana355]

You call comparing a 2018 smartphone to a 2017 model being critical?

Seems bias.

Can the note 9 record more than 5 Minutes of 4K 60 FPS yet?

Oh wait only Apple deserves your criticism Samsung is doing just fine...right?

Well the waters start getting muddy when you bring the Pixel XL 2 into the mix. IMO the S9 is a direct competitor to the iPhone X and it is faster by more then 5mbps and when the new iPhone is released it will still get spanked by the Note 9 as it is still going to use the inferior Intel modem.

No it cant record more then 5 mins of 4k (very annoying btw) and there are many things that the Note isn't perfect at, the big difference is Samsung users are very vocal about it and this forces Samsung to address issues. Meanwhile in iPhone land you guys defend every issue the iPhone has and come up with justifications for it, i don't understand it myself.
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Comparing a 2017 intel modem with a 2018 Qualcomm modem is a bit underhanded.

Guess some were hoping no one would notice.

When the new iPhone is released it will still get spanked as its still going to use the inferior Intel modem, is this really so hard to understand? Does it really hurt that much to admit one thing about the iPhone is inferior to the Samsung phone? Every objective reviewer is able to admit it no problems, why not MR members?

 

[ipponrg]

As it turned out, Apple maps was still usable here in Singapore when it debuted, and I refuse to let google profit any more out of me than they already have.

Ignorance is bliss

And looking at the state of android today, a case can be made that google made the wrong choice in trying to favour android with their services rather than keep google maps as a first class citizen on iOS (where they arguably earn more than all of android combined).

I'm not so sure about that. There are plenty of people, including myself, that install mostly Google apps on my iPhone. I think the only 1st party Apple app on my iPhone is Safari. Many Apple enthusiasts actually use a blend of 1st and (more favored) 3rd party apps on their phone.

Google Maps is still my preferred maps app in major US metropolitan cities.

 

[ROGmaster]

Pretty disingenuous to keep comparing a 2018 smartphone to a 2017 model.
The 2018 iPhone is around the corner.

Iphone x was launched at the very end of 2017. It's got 2 months of 2017.
This excuses are getting ridiculous.

When you compare a 2017 Qualcomm modem to a 2017 intel modem it’s a 5 Mbps difference.

Qualcomm announced the S835 in 2016 so it's their 2016 modem.
And that's basically a best case scenario for the iphone when you look at other tests like this where the S835 can perform much better.

 

[FFR]

Well the waters start getting muddy when you bring the Pixel XL 2 into the mix. IMO the S9 is a direct competitor to the iPhone X and it is faster by more then 5mbps and when the new iPhone is released it will still get spanked by the Note 9 as it is still going to use the inferior Intel modem.

No it cant record more then 5 mins of 4k (very annoying btw) and there are many things that the Note isn't perfect at, the big difference is Samsung users are very vocal about it and this forces Samsung to address issues. Meanwhile in iPhone land you guys defend every issue the iPhone has and come up with justifications for it, i don't understand it myself.

Water getting muddy for comparing the 2017 pixel xl to the 2017 iPhone X?

Don’t really think so.

You keep comparing the 2017 iPhone X to the 2018 s9 even if it is only your opinion it’s still pretty bias.

Don’t really think the note 9 is going to matter much to the iPhone X plus. the iPhone X plus will spank Samsung note 9 in sales, I mean preorders alone should dwarf note 9s cumulative sales.

Yeah it can’t record 4K for more than 5 min and Samsung fans haven’t been vocal about it.

Probably why high end galaxy sales have fallen off a cliff.

But you keep focusing on Apple on a Apple forum.

 

[Abazigal]

Ignorance is bliss

Tomato tomatoe.

I'm not so sure about that. There are plenty of people, including myself, that install mostly Google apps on my iPhone. I think the only 1st party Apple app on my iPhone is Safari. Many Apple enthusiasts actually use a blend of 1st and (more favored) 3rd party apps on their phone.

Google Maps is still my preferred maps app in major US metropolitan cities.

https://9to5mac.com/2015/12/07/apple-maps-usage-numbers/

Apple maps used three times as google maps as of 2015.

I do use google services as well, but do default to Apple’s own offerings whenever I can.

 

[ROGmaster]

Umm..it’s not in the galaxy note 9 and won’t be in the s10. Not much of a point there.

Nothing wrong with intel modems.

Man Samsung just announced their 5G modem while Apple uses outdated mediocre modems in their phones.
Apple is laughably behind when it comes to one of the most important components in a smartphone, one of the components that actually makes a smartphone smart.

Intel modems are mediocre.

 

[FFR]

Iphone x was launched at the very end of 2017. It's got 2 months of 2017.
This excuses are getting ridiculous.

Yes the iPhone X was released in 2017.
So were the Pixel and note series also released at the end of 2017.

Qualcomm announced the S835 in 2016 so it's their 2016 modem.
And that's basically a best case scenario for the iphone when you look at other tests like this where the S835 can perform much better.

Yes announced in 2016 and launched in 2017.
835 is the processor not the modem, and it was Qualcomm’s flagship modem for 2017 not 2016.

845 announced in 2017 launches in 2018 as the 2018 flagship processor.


My iPhone X has no problem hitting over 100Mbps, must be the network or the video.

 

[FFR]

Man Samsung just announced their 5G modem while Apple uses outdated mediocre modems in their phones.
Apple is laughably behind when it comes to one of the most important components in a smartphone, one of the components that actually makes a smartphone smart.

Intel modems are mediocre.

Um well according to you the Samsung modem was announced in 2018 so its a 2018 modem.

So by your logic Samsung is trash for not using it in their galaxy note 9 or s10?


Intel already announced their 5g modem doesn’t ship until 2019.

 

[ROGmaster]

Yes the iPhone X was released in 2017.
So were the Pixel and note series also released at the end of 2017.

The Note 8 was released 3 months earlier than the iphone x.
There are only 5 months between the S9 and the iphone x but you try very hard to make it seem like the iphone x is an ancient phone when it was launched just a month before the end of 2017.Simple logic, phones released in the first half of 2018 are iphone x's main competitors.

Yes announced in 2016 and launched in 2017.

It was already being mass produced in 2016.
And anyway the intel modem can't match S835's performance.

My iPhone X has no problem hitting over 150Mbps, must be the network or the video.

And what makes you think your phone would reach 150Mbps in the same area where that youtuber did it's test?
Nobody said that the iphone x cant reach a certain Mbps speed, the video clearly shows that the Note 8 with Snapdragon 835 has much better download speeds in the same area and using a sim from the same carrier.
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Um well according to you the Samsung modem was announced in 2018 so its a 2018 modem.

So by your logic Samsung is trash for not using it in their galaxy note 9 or s10?


Intel already announced their 5g modem doesn’t ship until 2019.

Samsung did say that they will bring the modem to the end consumers by the end of 2018. Intel? who knows, they will have to get close to the 1Gbps speeds of 2016 first.
Also What intel did was make their roadmap public, when Qualcomm announces(or launches) it's SOC's they are already being shipper to their partners. So big difference there.

 

[FFR]

The Note 8 was released 3 months earlier than the iphone x.
There are only 5 moths between the S9 and the iphone x but you try very hard to make it seem like the iphone x is an ancient phone when it was launched just a month before the end of 2017.Simple logic, phones released in the first half of 2018 are iphone x's main competitors.




It was already being mass produced in 2016.
And anyway the intel modem can't match S835's performance.



And what makes you thing your phone would reach 150Mbps in the same area where that youtuber did it's test?
Nobody said that the iphone x cant reach a certain Mbps speed, the video clearly shows that the Note 8 with Snapdragon 835 has much better download speeds in the same are and using a sim from the same carrier.

Don’t know why this so hard for you to grasp but.... Components for 2017 does not equal components for 2018.

Didn’t the note 8 launch in August? And the iPhone 8 and 8 plus in september and the pixel in October.

You keep comparing the 2018 s9 which features almost identical components to the 2018 note 9 to a phone launched in 2017.... that’s a pretty bias comparison.

Or are you saying that the 2018 note 9 cant be compared to the 2018 iPhone because it can’t compete?

Your logic is flawed if you keep comparing a 2017 smartphone to a 2018 smartphone.

Maybe the 835 was produced in 2016 but it doesn’t show up in phones until 2017 or is Samsung using a year old processor in their flagships?

My iPhone X doesn’t have any problems reaching those speeds. So your assertion that the intel modem was trash or mediocre doesn’t really match my usage or many others on the forum.

 

[torana355]

Yes the iPhone X was released in 2017.
So were the Pixel and note series also released at the end of 2017.





Yes announced in 2016 and launched in 2017.
835 is the processor not the modem, and it was Qualcomm’s flagship modem for 2017 not 2016.

845 announced in 2017 launches in 2018 as the 2018 flagship processor.


My iPhone X has no problem hitting over 100Mbps, must be the network or the video.

The fact you are posting a one off speedtest with no comparison at the same location of a QC modem phone shows you do not understand the subject you are debating. Its like arguing with a brick wall. Good thing there are actual knowledgeable people on Youtube that can see the Intel modem is inferior, no number of excuses you come up with will change the fact. Have a nice day

 

[ROGmaster]

Don’t know why this so hard for you to grasp but.... Components for 2017 does not equal components for 2018.

You are the one that has a problem.

Didn’t the note 8 launch in August? And the iPhone 8 and 8 plus in september and the pixel in October.

So? I just showed that the Note 8 has much better LTE speeds anyway.

You keep comparing the 2018 s9 which features almost identical components to the 2018 note 9 to a phone launched in 2017.... that’s a pretty bias comparison.

Bias? LoL
Why because the iphone is behind? It's even behind by 2017 standards, I clearly mentioned it.

Or are you saying that the 2018 note 9 cant be compared to the 2018 iPhone because it can’t compete?

Oh, I'm sure it will compete but hey, the new iphone will show bigger numbers in geekbench and that will be the most important thing ever.

My iPhone X doesn’t have any problems reaching those speeds.

Good for you but again it has nothing to to whit what I wrote, nothing.

So your assertion that the intel modem was trash or mediocre doesn’t really match my usage or many others on the forum.

My assertion is based on undisputed proof, while you are simply bothered by these facts and try to come up with pointless excuses because you can't stand any negativity towards apple no matter how true it is.
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The fact you are posting a one off speedtest with no comparison at the same location of a QC modem phone shows you do not understand the subject you are debating. Its like arguing with a brick wall. Good thing there are actual knowledgeable people on Youtube that can see the Intel modem is inferior, no number of excuses you come up with will change the fact. Have a nice day

What's funny is that a few weeks ago there were some discussions about "Apple developed it's own modem" and a few users were absolutely convinced Apple could pull put some magic tech or something out of their hats. At the same time Apple's main competitors(Samsung, Huawei) make their own modems and they are much better than Intel's modems(which apple uses) and can reach the fastest download speed possible today. Samsung and Huawei are not even known for their modems but they can make modems that are just as fast as Qualcomm's. Still Apple uses the inferior Intel modems which is the worst solution for their users.

 

[torana355]

Iphone x was launched at the very end of 2017. It's got 2 months of 2017.
This excuses are getting ridiculous.


Qualcomm announced the S835 in 2016 so it's their 2016 modem.
And that's basically a best case scenario for the iphone when you look at other tests like this where the S835 can perform much better.

Absolutely spanks the iPhone in that Vid. But no i'm sure FFR will have an excuse as to why it cant be true lol
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Water getting muddy for comparing the 2017 pixel xl to the 2017 iPhone X?



Don’t really think the note 9 is going to matter much to the iPhone X plus. the iPhone X plus will spank Samsung note 9 in sales, I mean preorders alone should dwarf note 9s cumulative sales.

And right there is the difference between me and a lot of diehard Apple fans, i am not loyal to any brand, i could care less about how much money a company makes or how many units it sells, its completely irrelevant to me. What i care about is having the best possible piece of hardware in my hands, the brand is irrelevant, i own a lot of Apple gear as well.

Samsung might not sell as many phones as Apple but the Note 9 is still much better value for the money and is the better phone for my needs. It has superior battery life, superior LTE speeds and reception, superior storage options, a Headphone jack and gives me the maximum amount of cross platform flexibility.

 

[ROGmaster]

Absolutely spanks the iPhone in that Vid. But no i'm sure FFR will have an excuse as to why it cant be true lol

His rebuttal is: "Let's talk about something else, look my phone can do above 100mbps, intel modems are fine".

 

[FFR]

You are the one that has a problem.


So? I just showed that the Note 8 has much better LTE speeds anyway.



Bias? LoL
Why because the iphone is behind? It's even behind by 2017 standards, I clearly mentioned it.



Oh, I'm sure it will compete but hey, the new iphone will show bigger numbers in geekbench and that will be the most important thing ever.



Good for you but again it has nothing to to whit what I wrote, nothing.


My assertion is based on undisputed proof, while you are simply bothered by these facts and try to come up with pointless excuses because you can't stand any negativity towards apple no matter how true it is.
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What's funny is that a few weeks ago there were some discussions about "Apple developed it's own modem" and a few users were absolutely convinced Apple could pull put some magic tech or something out of their hats. At the same time Apple's main competitors(Samsung, Huawei) make their own modems and they are much better than Intel's modems(which apple uses) and can reach the fastest download speed possible today. Samsung and Huawei are not even known for their modems but they can make modems that are just as fast as Qualcomm's. Still Apple uses the inferior Intel modems which is the worst solution for their users.

You showed me a note 8 that is capable of going over 100Mbps, I showed you an iPhone X capable of doing the same thing. You know because your assertion that intel modems are trash, it’s false.

Don’t know why that bothers you so much.


Your assertion isn’t based on undisputed proof when you keep comparing a 2017 model to a 2018 one. That’s again pretty biased.