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Interestingly this put them on par with Intel as far as node size goes, which if I'm correct is also planned for Q4 2014.
 
I don't want to agree with you but knowing Apple it's a possibility..

They still have another grade of thinness to go yet - they managed to squeeze a headphone jack into the 6.1mm iPod Touch 5 (The iPhone 6 is 6.9mm) so that gives us at least another 2 design revisions before it's a possibility which gives us another 4 years if we're lucky.

2014 - iPhone 6 (Design revision 0)
2015 - iPhone 6S
2016 - iPhone 7 (Design revision 1)
2017 - iPhone 7S
2018 - iPhone 8 (Design revision 2)

Isn't this why they are doing all this work on the lightning ported headphones? They'll just take the headphone jack out, and you either use the apple approved Li-Fi headphones OR buy an inexpensive and practical adapter starting at just $39.99. And they wont stop there. $79.79 gets you the gold model.
 
i have to say that i hope the physical home button never goes away. i like actually pressing a button.

Ditto, but now there is little to stop the next iPhone from adopting a squashed square or oval rather than a circle. The bezels need to be there though i hate this no bezel trend it makes for uncomfortable holding and bad on the eyes as your info gets covered up by your thumbs!

14nm sounds very close to the limits of physics. I'm sure I heard 7-10nm is the absolute limit at which quantum tunnelling breaks the cpu. They must be scaling up the components in some areas to avoid that or something.

The cpu is not really the bottleneck anymore, poor coding and software affects things more. Look at the mental octal core cpus performing poorly in tests. Hopefully apple will keep it sensible and give us reasonable performance increases with massive efficiency increases.
 
It will happen eventually when they figure a better way of implementing touch ID.
Regarding thin devices, it's inevitable and I think they will get thinner. Usually electronic devices are thick due to technology limitations.


They could integrate touch ID into the Apple logo on the back with an index finger focus.
 
It is about balance. For example, they could cut the batter by 75% and make the current phone way thinner but you may have to charge it very few hours. Apple has a tendency to put too much emphasis on "thin" in all their product lines. In many of them, they forgo useful features to give a slightly thinner product. (example, removing ethernet and soldering RAM on rMBP to gain a mm - A professional model product should have ethernet )

and so people complained the apple watch is not thin enough lol
 
and so people complained the apple watch is not thin enough lol

Well it is kinda chunky. Just look at the size of it next to Tim :eek: ;)

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I can't wait until Samsung goes out of business. I'll never buy a Samsung product. I wish Apple would stop using Samsung.

:rolleyes:

Disclaimer: Sarcasm
 
Ditto, but now there is little to stop the next iPhone from adopting a squashed square or oval rather than a circle. The bezels need to be there though i hate this no bezel trend it makes for uncomfortable holding and bad on the eyes as your info gets covered up by your thumbs!

14nm sounds very close to the limits of physics. I'm sure I heard 7-10nm is the absolute limit at which quantum tunnelling breaks the cpu. They must be scaling up the components in some areas to avoid that or something.

The cpu is not really the bottleneck anymore, poor coding and software affects things more. Look at the mental octal core cpus performing poorly in tests. Hopefully apple will keep it sensible and give us reasonable performance increases with massive efficiency increases.

Saw a road map somewhere that states 1nm by 2020 but it was CPU for computers.
 
I can't wait until Samsung goes out of business. I'll never buy a Samsung product. I wish Apple would stop using Samsung.

:rolleyes:

Disclaimer: Sarcasm

Of note is that this is the second time a negative sentiment about Samsung is mentioned in the thread. Perhaps you are running on autopilot by now. :D
 
We're to the point where you don't really need a faster phone year over year. They should be splitting the budget by giving us a small speed increase with a small battery increase. Not that I'm upset about the battery life on my Plus. It's great. I just feel for some of you guys who have iPhone 6 models and still need more battery life.

The only hardware upgrade the next iPhone needs is 2GB of RAM. What's the point of having these fast devices if they can't multitask effectively without tabs reloading, apps closing out in the background, etc. Increasing the battery will also help enable a more full-fledged multitasking and turn these things into actual computers. Actually, we're so overdo for an upgrade, might as well make it 4GB because otherwise we'll be stuck with 2GB until 2020.

At the very least the new iPads need more RAM since people use them more for advanced productivity. I doubt the new iPads coming out later this month will be thinner as they just updated them to be thinner last year. But the A8 chip is much more power efficient. So either the new iPad is going to support side-by-side multitasking with 2GB of RAM, or it's going to see a significant speed boost. Nobody complains about the iPad's battery life, so that budget will probably go towards one of those things. What I'm wondering is how long until Apple upgrades the iPad screen to @3X? I'm thinking 2015 or 2016. 3072 x 2304 is probably too much of a bump for current mobile technology.
 
I, for one, welcome our new north korean cpu overlords. Looking forward to credit card thin phones.

I won't we happy until we have 1/16" thin transparent aluminum phones. (It will take years just to figure out the dynamics of the matrix though...) :p

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I wonder how many of you all complaining about thinness, as if it's a negative, have ever had to carry around a flip phone or a treo. Those things were simply uncomfortable to carry around. The iPhone 1 changed all that for the better, and the trend is merely continuing.

Perhaps put a case on it, if it's so troubling.

Agreed. No idea what these guys are complaining about. Thinner is better, like you said, go back to the good old days of flip phones and then tell us thicker is better.
 
No Apple has some history of ejecting functional utility to support further thinning. For example, they kicked the super drive out of iMacs so they could deliver those thinner edges (that do nothing). Some ratuonalize that ejection as "dying tech", etc. Whether true or false, that "innovation" arrived without a cut in price.

So it's not hard to imagine Apple kicking beneficial hardware out of iDevices in support of "thinner" too. Of course, the loss of such utility probably won't come with a price cut. And a chunk of this crowd will spin those drops as innovations even if we have to spend more to replace that utility in adapters and/or cases.

No headphone jack? No problem, here's a Lightning to 3.5mm jack adapter for $29.99. See how thin and beautiful it is?

It will be interesting to see if Apple responds to bendy criticism by using the increased efficiency to add more structural reinforcement rather than thinner. I'm not getting my hopes up.

The one thing I dislike about the new iPhones (aside from being bendy) is that they are hard to hold due to their thinness. For handheld devices, there is an optimal shape and thickness. I wish Ive had an appreciation for user interaction with his museum pieces.
 
Why hasnt Apple just started our bought out their own semiconductoring factory so that they do not need to depend on others to produce these chips for them? I wonder if they still dont produce enough volume to sustain a year round production facility.
 
Agreed. No idea what these guys are complaining about. Thinner is better, like you said, go back to the good old days of flip phones and then tell us thicker is better.

Stop that.

No, no one is saying thicker is better. What IS being said is that there is a minimum thickness that maintains functionality. I would have been happy with the iPhone 6 maintaining the thickness of the iPhone 5. Put more battery in there to fill in the space. As it is my phone drains in 4 to 6 hours. If they had maintained the thickness of the 5 I would have been good for a day...

Better yet, allow my iPad mini LTE to receive calls. Allow me to pair an Apple watch with it. Then I don't need an iPhone anymore and I will have the battery power to last for a day or more. At this point the only reason I have an iPhone at all is to receive phone calls. If the iPad mini could do it, I'd sell the iPhone.

I suspect Apple realizes that. I suspect that is why the Apple watch was created. I suspect we will soon be able to receive calls through an iPad when a watch is paired with it. This will reduce the gadget count I carry.
 
We're to the point where you don't really need a faster phone year over year. They should be splitting the budget by giving us a small speed increase with a small battery increase. Not that I'm upset about the battery life on my Plus. It's great. I just feel for some of you guys who have iPhone 6 models and still need more battery life.

The only hardware upgrade the next iPhone needs is 2GB of RAM. What's the point of having these fast devices if they can't multitask effectively without tabs reloading, apps closing out in the background, etc. Increasing the battery will also help enable a more full-fledged multitasking and turn these things into actual computers. Actually, we're so overdo for an upgrade, might as well make it 4GB because otherwise we'll be stuck with 2GB until 2020.

At the very least the new iPads need more RAM since people use them more for advanced productivity. I doubt the new iPads coming out later this month will be thinner as they just updated them to be thinner last year. But the A8 chip is much more power efficient. So either the new iPad is going to support side-by-side multitasking with 2GB of RAM, or it's going to see a significant speed boost. Nobody complains about the iPad's battery life, so that budget will probably go towards one of those things. What I'm wondering is how long until Apple upgrades the iPad screen to @3X? I'm thinking 2015 or 2016. 3072 x 2304 is probably too much of a bump for current mobile technology.

Build a faster pocket computer, and someone will always find a way to exploit the new power.

Agree on the RAM, iOS needs at least 4GB, but the issues could be ameliorated with a change in caching behavior. I don't understand why Apple don't simply enlarge the Safari cache to prevent page reloads. Perhaps because the low end is still stuck at a hilarious 16GB? But why not base cache size on the amount of NAND? Are they using crappy NAND with low p/e cycle life?

Whatever the reason, my Nexus 7 2013 with 2GB RAM has exactly the same issue with browser tabs reloading, only it can hold a few more in memory. It's not an iOS-only thing.

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Wrong thread buddy. ;)

Because if we don't speak of it, it doesn't exist!
 
Because if we don't speak of it, it doesn't exist!

No because 14nm outside of intel have interesting implications, not just for Apple. It enables more than making a device thinner, like longer battery life for example given the claim of 50% energy efficiency. A thinner device can also hypothetically be made of different materials. I mean that's the actual thread topic.
 
Agree on the RAM, iOS needs at least 4GB, but the issues could be ameliorated with a change in caching behavior. I don't understand why Apple don't simply enlarge the Safari cache to prevent page reloads. Perhaps because the low end is still stuck at a hilarious 16GB? But why not base cache size on the amount of NAND? Are they using crappy NAND with low p/e cycle life?

Yeah I'm thinking the NAND can't take the read/write cycles for that. But as I've discussed with people in other threads, it might necessitate a rewrite of how iOS works at a basic level. We really do need a "Snow iOS 8" next year, for lack of a better term. Take this release and polish the hell out of it. Make it rock solid, squash all the bugs, rewrite the underlying systems so that everything just works again. iOS is getting too buggy, which doesn't make much sense given that Apple only sells a few varieties of iOS devices. During this year of bug fixing they should also work on improving their cloud services so that they're more reliable and work together better with all of their devices. Don't add any major features—maybe just a few small things like tweaks to mail or what have you. Just clean up everything and get the systems ready for the next several years of feature additions and new, powerful devices.

Does anyone know how much overhead RAM compression uses in OS X?
 
I wonder how many of you all complaining about thinness, as if it's a negative, have ever had to carry around a flip phone or a treo. Those things were simply uncomfortable to carry around. The iPhone 1 changed all that for the better, and the trend is merely continuing.

Perhaps put a case on it, if it's so troubling.

Agreed up to a point. But we've obviously reached a point where the phone is comfortably thin (iPhone 5/5S). Taking it thinner (iPhone 6) has caused an ugly camera bump on the back of the phone, which in turn makes the level in the compass app virtually useless. How can that be a positive?
 
Stop that.

No, no one is saying thicker is better. What IS being said is that there is a minimum thickness that maintains functionality. I would have been happy with the iPhone 6 maintaining the thickness of the iPhone 5. Put more battery in there to fill in the space. As it is my phone drains in 4 to 6 hours. If they had maintained the thickness of the 5 I would have been good for a day...

Better yet, allow my iPad mini LTE to receive calls. Allow me to pair an Apple watch with it. Then I don't need an iPhone anymore and I will have the battery power to last for a day or more. At this point the only reason I have an iPhone at all is to receive phone calls. If the iPad mini could do it, I'd sell the iPhone.

I suspect Apple realizes that. I suspect that is why the Apple watch was created. I suspect we will soon be able to receive calls through an iPad when a watch is paired with it. This will reduce the gadget count I carry.

You stop it.

Clearly what you'd be happy with and what Ives wants are very different.

Thickness to maintain functionality? What's that even mean. You mean battery life? No idea how you're draining an iPhone 6 in 4 hours. Either some hardcore content you're consuming or that new Pokemon card game is a real battery killer.

I suspect you are a bit out there on the spectrum broc. Apple is making products for the masses, not your niche ipad/phone hybrid setup, better prepare to be disappoint son.

Having said all that, you're going to tell me you are a successful business man worth a billion dollars and I'm going to go back and hide in some corner of the Internet until this all
Blows over. Lolz.
 
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