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Tell me about it. The beauty of the ip6 being thin is totally marred by those god awful 2010 bezels. I'm a huge proponent of thin, but I think we've reached a point where we don't need thinner, we need smaller form factor versus screen size.

I went to my local futureshop last weekend, and compared the iPhone 6 plus with my Note II. I found it have a little bit smaller bezel at left and right, but noticabley larger bezel at top and bottom. Note II was released 2 years ago. I am not impressed.
 
Why hasnt Apple just started our bought out their own semiconductoring factory so that they do not need to depend on others to produce these chips for them? I wonder if they still dont produce enough volume to sustain a year round production facility.

Because running such a factory is very difficult and expensive and time consuming and not really Apple's business. And the dependence on others is no problem, because _everyone_ depends on them. Let's say Intel and AMD don't improve their processors for the next ten years. Obviously everyone will be moaning, but Apple isn't really affected, because all of Apple's competitors have exactly the same problem. Or let's say just Intel runs into trouble. Then everyone switches to AMD, including Apple. Still no problem. But if Apple has their own factory and that has problems, then Apple has a problem.
 
This is quite interesting. Personally, as it has been rumored before, I think Apple will start release iPhones twice a year- an 'S' phone at WWDC 2015 & the 7 in September/October. Before the end of 2014- that sounds really early.
 
50% more power efficient which means...AN EVEN THINNER PHONE.

It is going to be invisible in a minute. I just got my iPhone 6 yesterday and sometimes I feel like it is going to break in half. I love the thinness but going any thinner is a bad idea.
 
Agreed up to a point. But we've obviously reached a point where the phone is comfortably thin (iPhone 5/5S). Taking it thinner (iPhone 6) has caused an ugly camera bump on the back of the phone, which in turn makes the level in the compass app virtually useless. How can that be a positive?

I didn't even consider that Compass/Level thing. You've found an example where thinness is affecting functionality.

I suppose they could have added another millimeter layer of battery, though I'm unfamiliar with the current battery shape in that model. Battery technology is weird when it comes to the volume of the battery. More volume doesn't always equal more energy. Perhaps the thinness of the phone was defined in the general improvement of internal components, rather than a direct goal to make it "even thinner".
 
Bluetooth Headphones for the win!. With BT4.0 providing better sound quality I see no reason why we should deal with wires...

Yeah, but you're going to get a whole bunch of whiny people. Remember what happened when they got rid of 30 pin?
 
We may be missing the big picture here with the advent of the 14mm chips this will bring the speed up to desktop class resulting in new iMacs, minis, and airs using the "A" series chips.
With the introduction of metal the graphic performance may equal or surpass traditional chipsets.
It's only a matter of time before Apple crosses this performance threshold and begin the rollout again to a new chipset.
 
Man, I put enough pressure on a given point on anything and it will break. Or am I missing something? No one would care if this was a Samsung phone. These guys are just cashing in on the hype.

Impeccable logic! You can break anything if you try hard enough, therefore the iPhone 6+ has sufficient structural rigidity. Brilliant!
 
You stop it.

Clearly what you'd be happy with and what Ives wants are very different.

So that makes Ives more right than me?

Thickness to maintain functionality? What's that even mean.

Structural stability. Not referencing Bendghazi.. Just saying that I like something with some rigidity and wouldn't mind some battery life...

You mean battery life? No idea how you're draining an iPhone 6 in 4 hours.

Neither do I.

Either some hardcore content you're consuming or that new Pokemon card game is a real battery killer.

Right. Hilarious. But I get the point.

I suspect you are a bit out there on the spectrum broc. Apple is making products for the masses, not your niche ipad/phone hybrid setup, better prepare to be disappoint son.

You don't think the masses would want to do the same thing with fewer devices?

Having said all that, you're going to tell me you are a successful business man worth a billion dollars and I'm going to go back and hide in some corner of the Internet until this all
Blows over. Lolz.

I am? How is that relevant? You used an argument from authority as the first thing you said (the Ives comment), what leads you to believe I will or need to?
 
As you seem to have no issue with size, then why not purchase a 6 plus which gives you 2 days of battery

i did purchase it and returned it. it was unusable with one hand (even with double tapping the home button)
 
I wonder how many of you all complaining about thinness, as if it's a negative, have ever had to carry around a flip phone or a treo. Those things were simply uncomfortable to carry around. The iPhone 1 changed all that for the better, and the trend is merely continuing.

Perhaps put a case on it, if it's so troubling.

Yeah it is crazy. The iPhone 3g was like 12.9mm thick and the 6 plus is like 7.1mm. That is a significicant reduction in thickness. Personally I support thinner and the big bezels don't bother me. I use all my devices in landscape mode unless an app does not support landscape at all. The bezels give me something to hold on to, while I rest my index finger underneath. So a thinner device makes a noticeable difference to the feel and hold for me. I understand how people who use devices in portrait mode often would have a problem with the big bezels.

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So that makes Ives more right than me?



Structural stability. Not referencing Bendghazi.. Just saying that I like something with some rigidity and wouldn't mind some battery life...



Neither do I

In settings under usage post a screenshot of your battery usage. Should be pretty clear why and we would all certainly appreciste seeing the battery usage display of an iPhone 6 that goes from 100% to 0% in four hours.
 
Impeccable logic! You can break anything if you try hard enough, therefore the iPhone 6+ has sufficient structural rigidity. Brilliant!

Yeah, it's true man. It's not like the phone is just waiting to bend at the slightest breeze. How do you measure what's enough structural integrity for a phone? The 6+ is fine man for what it is.

Did you buy one brah?
 
Yeah I'm thinking the NAND can't take the read/write cycles for that. But as I've discussed with people in other threads, it might necessitate a rewrite of how iOS works at a basic level. We really do need a "Snow iOS 8" next year, for lack of a better term. Take this release and polish the hell out of it. Make it rock solid, squash all the bugs, rewrite the underlying systems so that everything just works again. iOS is getting too buggy, which doesn't make much sense given that Apple only sells a few varieties of iOS devices. During this year of bug fixing they should also work on improving their cloud services so that they're more reliable and work together better with all of their devices. Don't add any major features—maybe just a few small things like tweaks to mail or what have you. Just clean up everything and get the systems ready for the next several years of feature additions and new, powerful devices.

Does anyone know how much overhead RAM compression uses in OS X?

I would welcome such an iOS development strategy - it would improve the iPhone user experience dramatically.

As for the NAND life, AnandTech estimated the endurance of a Samsung 840 SSD w/cheaper TLC NAND at about 8 years at 50 GiB/day (48.8 GB/day) on the 120GB model. Halve it to 4 years for 60GB, then halve it twice again and you get 1 year of endurance for 16GB at ~49GB/day.

For 5 years of endurance that gives a 16GB iPhone only 10GB writes/day. Add a conservative fudge factor for 5GB/day. Figure Apple's NAND controller is inferior to Samsung's at wear leveling and the NAND endurance does indeed look like a limiting factor for iOS caching behavior. Of course the problem disappears if the base iPhone has 64GB NAND, but I'd wager even in two years the base iPhone 7 is stuck at 32GB. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, it's true man. It's not like the phone is just waiting to bend at the slightest breeze. How do you measure what's enough structural integrity for a phone? The 6+ is fine man for what it is.

Did you buy one brah?

6+ 64 GB ordered and on the way, brah! I'm building my own version of Google Cardboard out of balsa wood to use with that gorgeous display. Currently have a 4S and find myself carrying around a Nexus 7 most of the time, so hopefully the 6+ is just right. I expect to miss the portability of the 4S in some situations, but until I try a phablet that's all speculation.

However, if the 6+ bends with normal use, I will get it replaced by Apple, sell it on ebay, and go Android. There is no excuse for a mobile device designed to be carried with a person at all times to have anything less than rock-hard structural rigidity. It's a tool for 24/7 use, not a museum piece.

I see this as a design flaw in virtually all mobile phones. We have bulletproof watches and we never worry about sitting on our wallets, so why expect delicacy in a phone on the cusp of replacing our wallet? 10-15 years from now people will look back with amazement at how we put up with such fragile devices. I won't be surprised if the 6+ turns out to be the device that triggers a new design trend towards indestructable mobile units. Apple learn from their mistakes, so the new trend may even originate with the iPhone 7. :p
 
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