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Samsung to Reveal Results of Galaxy Note7 Fire Investigation Later This Month
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Don't be mad that that BS was easily called out. Almost all of your 10 posts deal with Samsung (or complaining about Apple).
Do you really think folks on this site are so naive as to not understand what you're doing?
I said that if you search on google you will find what you have searched for.
That's all I said !!!
Yes and I am not brainwashed like you...
Nothing to do with a Samsung PR team.
"understand what you're doing?"
Excuse me ??
Have a nice day....
Happy New Year, but it is 2017, time for some honest conversations, ones with research and evidence, not replies that are either bogus or unsupported. ONE device or accessory on fire or causing electrocution is UNACCEPTABLE.
FACT CHECK. Genuine Apple branded devices, cables and adapters have caused fires, it's not just third party equipment.
See:
Apple slammed over power adapter recall, 'incidents' may be under-reported
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...nts-may-be-underreported-20160201-gmioeu.html
The industry has proven it can not ensure safety, 2016 highlighted that. The Samsung issues, the bizarre inconsistency of batteries in new MacBooks and AirPods. The industry and market has failed. It's time for governments to do what they do best, govern and clean up the industry by imposing serious penalties that make manufacturers ensure safety 100% of the time.
Not sure about any of you, but I wish never to be caught with a device causing fire. I get nervous when charging my iPad and it heats up!
FACT CHECK. Genuine Apple branded devices, cables and adapters have caused fires, it's not just third party equipment.
See:
Apple slammed over power adapter recall, 'incidents' may be under-reported
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...nts-may-be-underreported-20160201-gmioeu.html
The industry has proven it can not ensure safety, 2016 highlighted that. The Samsung issues, the bizarre inconsistency of batteries in new MacBooks and AirPods. The industry and market has failed. It's time for governments to do what they do best, govern and clean up the industry by imposing serious penalties that make manufacturers ensure safety 100% of the time.
Not sure about any of you, but I wish never to be caught with a device causing fire. I get nervous when charging my iPad and it heats up!
The Samsung fiasco is about as bad as it gets. I think people who are throwing Apple in the mix are doing it for two reasons. First, people in the thread were like "I'll never buy anything Samsung cause one product had these problems." That's fine but kind of silly considering the broad range of things a company makes, the things they make for Apple, and other instances of product failures we ignore. Second, people were saying Apple never has stuff like this happen. Unfortunately they used the examples of iPhones exploding cause of third party shenanigans. In my opinion they'd have better luck referencing Maps which has killed several people. (I occasionally use Maps-full disclosure.)
All well and good however reality dictates otherwise. Because of the Samsung fiasco, should I get nervous using any device with li-ion technology?
Why make this Apple centric in a thread titled "Samsung....". I would like to have several lofty unattainable goals for 2017, That's an honest conversation.
There's no agenda here. See above. Apple's issues are not related to third party products in each case. To pretend Samsung is the only manufacturer in focus is dangerous. It's an industry issue. Unfortunately it's an issue that has runaway and requires government intervention. And as long as Apple makes mistakes, people will point them out. And most say that's fair enough. Holding Apple and others to a high standard is good for everyone. Fire and electrocution are top level issues the industry needs to address.
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Well because Macrumors is Apple centric.
Every model of phone and portable device has ones that catch fire, it is the nature of the lithium ion batteries that are used these days.
So the fact that Samsung had the problem isn't really an issue, it is how they handled it that was the problem. The recall process (at least in the U.S.) was bungled by forcing customers to go through the carriers. The carriers didn't want to deal with the exchanges, as that meant valuable time that their sales associates could have been spending selling new phones (Apparently Samsung paid the carriers about $10 for each phone that was exchanged, that doesn't even cover the hourly costs) and then the process took at least an hour and half for most people. Samsung should have offered a replacement system on their website, no matter where the phone was purchased in which they would ship out a new phone or a check/prepaid visa card for a refund and a prepaid box to ship the old phone back with and no matter which option you chose, they should have offered something extra for dealing with the mess. That is how it should have been handled the first time around and a similar process for the second go around, but with an even bigger extra.
Also for the first go around, Samsung made the recall in the U.S. and the replacements before the government had a chance to fully review the issue and approve the so called safe devices.
As I said, all manufacturers have this issue to some degree or another, the issue I take is how poorly Samsung handled it all. But to be fair, they did do better than Apple has, Apple just pretends the problem doesn't exist, they at least admitted it.
So the fact that Samsung had the problem isn't really an issue, it is how they handled it that was the problem. The recall process (at least in the U.S.) was bungled by forcing customers to go through the carriers. The carriers didn't want to deal with the exchanges, as that meant valuable time that their sales associates could have been spending selling new phones (Apparently Samsung paid the carriers about $10 for each phone that was exchanged, that doesn't even cover the hourly costs) and then the process took at least an hour and half for most people. Samsung should have offered a replacement system on their website, no matter where the phone was purchased in which they would ship out a new phone or a check/prepaid visa card for a refund and a prepaid box to ship the old phone back with and no matter which option you chose, they should have offered something extra for dealing with the mess. That is how it should have been handled the first time around and a similar process for the second go around, but with an even bigger extra.
Also for the first go around, Samsung made the recall in the U.S. and the replacements before the government had a chance to fully review the issue and approve the so called safe devices.
As I said, all manufacturers have this issue to some degree or another, the issue I take is how poorly Samsung handled it all. But to be fair, they did do better than Apple has, Apple just pretends the problem doesn't exist, they at least admitted it.
Agreed, this phone was going to really hurt Apple's bottom line for years to come. There were going to be a lot of android converts had Samsung not screwed up like they did. I had the note 7 for about a month before all hell broke loose and even though I didnt like Android too much i was willing to put up with it because the hardware was just that damn good. Alas I ended up with an iPhone 7 because the S7E did not appeal to me at all and I still like iOS so much better. It's a shame though because the note 7 would have really lit a fire under Apple's a$$ and forced them to innovate quicker.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. All too rare in this forum. In reply, here's a few things to consider
You're right that VPN is great way to go.
There are multiple good free or low cost ad blockers/content blockers. I'd encourage you to give Ghostery a shot to get visibility on the trackers that are being installed without your knowledge. It works very well. Also, if you haven't tried using the web without an ad blocker, you don't know what you are missing. I find the web almost unusable in mobile without an ad blocker. 1Blocker and Disconnect are two good ones. I guarantee once you try it, you won't go back to the mess that is installing malware, slowing down page loading, making websites unreadable/unusable, using your data, etc.
Yes, it's true that Tim Cook and all of the executives at Apple could be lying and actually amassing dossiers on us with our information, but I think you'd have to ask if that seems consistent with the other stands they take, could they possibly keep that secret, and why would they risk losing everything when it would be found out that they have lied and have a secret database.
Yes, Apple offers much of its software free to its customers. But that's because it makes it's hardware, where it makes most of its money, more attractive. People pay the "Apple Premium" for the ecosystem where software and hardware are integrated in a secure, private manner. For example, iMessages is free to Apple users only, and was the first, and still one of the few messaging services to offer end to end encryption of your messages. Apple Mail is free to Apple users only as an incentive to buy its hardware, but again, unlike Google's Gmail, which anyone can use, Apple doesn't scan every email. Google has to recover its enormous costs in running Gmail by the only way it can, it scans your email and uses that information for advertisers who pay them.
Finally, you question whether Google is connecting your information. On that there is no doubt. Here's what is in your Google's terms of service
"We may combine information from one service with information, including personal information, from other Google services"
"Information we collect when you are signed in to Google, in addition to information we obtain about you from partners, may be associated with your Google Account."
"We may use the name you provide for your Google Profile across all of the services we offer that require a Google Account. In addition, we may replace past names associated with your Google Account so that you are represented consistently across all our services."
"This activity might come from your use of Google products like Chrome Sync or from your visits to sites and apps that partner with Google. Many websites and apps partner with Google to improve their content and services. For example, a website might use our advertising services (like AdSense) or analytics tools (like Google Analytics), or it might embed other content (such as videos from YouTube). These products share information about your activity with Google and, depending on your account settings and the products in use (for instance, when a partner uses Google Analytics in conjunction with our advertising services), this data may be associated with your personal information."
The article you linked said there were only 12 incidents over 13 years of product sales, and while it's an issue it's nowhere near the scale Samsung has had to deal with.
The Note 7 had 92 incidents of overheating in a month, which is about 10,000% more frequent that the incident you cited.
The reporting in the article above highlights that there are more complaints than those identified by Apple. This is an industry wide issue that requires government intervention. No more fires, no more electrocutions.
So you declare to use "facts" only to then site an article that uses opinions and assumptions and factlessly declares under reporting.
That was a rather spectacular example of a false equivalence.
You lead with the bolded statement that 2016 has proven the industry cannot ensure safety.
You follow with examples of that failure, which include a *single* safety issue, by a single company.
Then, you follow that up with the 'off hand' mention that your iPad makes you nervous, despite the fact that it isn't the product that had a safety issue, because it gets warm when the battery is charged.
Hint: ALL LiPo batteries get warm when you charge them. Unless they or the charger are faulty or damaged, they do NOT burst into flames when you charge them. The Galaxy Note 7 has the dubious honor of being a device containing a LiPo battery that is known to have burst into flames, not only while it wasn't charging, and without any signs of external damage that might have compromised the battery, but while it wasn't even turned on. Even the cheap 'hoverboard' knockoffs only seemed to be burning while the battery was actively being charged or discharged.
But, you're here now responding to this forum
What does that make you?Besides, there's plenty of that going on with Apple fans too... plenty insecurity with the MBP's "value", purported battery life, lack of iPhone 7 headphone jack, belief that they haven't abandoned desktops, etc.
But, you're here now responding to this forum
Besides, there's plenty of that going on with Apple fans too... plenty insecurity with the MBP's "value", purported battery life, lack of iPhone 7 headphone jack, belief that they haven't abandoned desktops, etc.
Exactly. There is plenty of "Gates" to throw around. I think in all forums you'll have a lot of negativity. I used to be over at iMore. Only reason why more negativity and troll like behaviors weren't apparent is because mods were constantly censoring and removing posts. If you give freedom, people can find things to complain about.
>Rumors suggest Samsung pushed suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch
That comment doesn't make much sense. All suppliers push vendors. Batteries are rather established and don't suffer when you produce them faster.
My guess is that they used a thinner PET insulator (typical would be 100µm) between anode and cathode to save some space. Thinner PET > easier to break through and short the Cu and Al layer.
Read also somewhere that just one of two vendors had issues. Anyway, hope they learnt their lesson.
That comment doesn't make much sense. All suppliers push vendors. Batteries are rather established and don't suffer when you produce them faster.
My guess is that they used a thinner PET insulator (typical would be 100µm) between anode and cathode to save some space. Thinner PET > easier to break through and short the Cu and Al layer.
Read also somewhere that just one of two vendors had issues. Anyway, hope they learnt their lesson.
Yup, the results are that even when a company makes a disaster like an exploding phone and the entire model is recalled and terminated, people still won't buy an iPhone 7.
It is lucky that Apple and Google offered such mediocre "new" phones that Samsung still could sell more S7's to customers that had to give up a flawed device like the Note 7. Samsung is doing far better then it should after this disastrous product, it just speaks volumes over how much Apple has slipped on their game over the last few years.
Apple has to seriously start figuring out why it can't grow marketshare and do something about it fast, they are in the same place they were in back in the 1990's, a distant second place platform that nobody wants to "switch" to and a incestuous customer base that is slowly being eroded by their competition.
It is lucky that Apple and Google offered such mediocre "new" phones that Samsung still could sell more S7's to customers that had to give up a flawed device like the Note 7. Samsung is doing far better then it should after this disastrous product, it just speaks volumes over how much Apple has slipped on their game over the last few years.
Apple has to seriously start figuring out why it can't grow marketshare and do something about it fast, they are in the same place they were in back in the 1990's, a distant second place platform that nobody wants to "switch" to and a incestuous customer base that is slowly being eroded by their competition.
Basically every country in this world hates Samsung, every one wants Samsung to stop making phones.
Sarcasm.
Samsung accepted that they screwed up, and Samsung fans are still fighting.
I use iPhone but i don't hate Samsung, it is good to have competition.
Govt & Regulatory agencies can't act on unconfirmed reports, in this age when one person reports phone catching on fire there will be 100 more people reporting same incident.
If South Korean Regulatory agency says that Note 7 is not safe to use then i would trust them since Samsung basically controls South Korea.
[doublepost=1483509143][/doublepost]"Rumors suggest Samsung pushed suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch, in order to beat the iPhone 7, leading to critical oversights that led to some batteries catching fire."
"pushing suppliers to meet tighter deadlines for an earlier launch"
Is never a root cause of any Quality issue.
If it takes 3 years to develop a device it will not have quality issues ? Can some prove this ?
I am think this was a design issue that was unfortunately over looked.
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