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Apple has been a huge part of my life for a good part of 20 years, I have queued up all night for products outside of stores countless times, I have used Apple products hours a day every day, they are almost an extended family to me even if Steve and Tim wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire in the street

dude thats just sad.
it's an electronic gadget for god sakes
 
In reply to recent editorials...

(look at quote if you are interested...it is a long one.)

he's got a point.

I see your point MBP, but it isn't 100% accurate.

Look at everything from accessory design to packaging design. The entire style was copied and pasted.

Also, when I say that the IP was infringed on I should have stated that i was comparing a Samsung Galaxy phone to an iOS phone. The overall appearance was, for the most part, duplicated. The shape is almost identical to the 3GS but with a "samsung" logo on it and even some of the icons were damn near identical. The icons were designed to mimic the look of iOS icons, not to mention that the icon placement was duplicated (see the images from 9to5).

Obviously you can't patent a black phone with 4 sides and corners as IP, TheMacBookPro...

But please, next time you want to litter the forum with bad sarcasm...don't.
 
Apple has been a huge part of my life for a good part of 20 years, I have queued up all night for products outside of stores countless times, I have used Apple products hours a day every day, they are almost an extended family to me even if Steve and Tim wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire in the street so when someone is disrespectful to Apple like Samsung are being I feel almost like someone is disrespecting my brother or sister so yes I severely want to see Samsung humilliated and forced to pull out of the phone and tablet market altogether

It's a good thing that you don't head any major company, then...

The odd component I can live with but I want to see Galaxy and Galaxy tab beaten into extinction to teach Samsung who is boss

See, you've just shown that Samsung is the boss. Without those 'odd components' your iPhone wouldn't turn on at all.
 
Apple China certainly does.

As I said in my post:



Rocketman

You're nuts if you think the Korean government will ever allow any company related to china to buy Samsung. Samsung is also a military weapons supplier.
 
dude thats just sad.
it's an electronic gadget for god sakes

As well as sexy products that work brilliantly Apple always has immaculate customer service, go to a supermarket or clothes shop and you will get some drone on minimum wage giving you a vacant look as if you are something on the bottom of their shoe and seeing you as an inconvenience that is going to stop them talking all day about the latest sexual conquests they had at the weekend, go to an Apple store you find knowledgeable, friendly and enthusiastic staff who live and breathe Apple

If only Apple would start up a supermarket
 
So I've been waiting to make the switch to apple iphone as my corporate site recently extended our options from just blackberry to iOS and android.

I have to say this new 4S isn't a compelling. Sure the components are dated, but worse, so is the design. Glass back? Small screen? Shirley, how did Samsung not copy that?

But that's a digression. I am truly faced with the choice of buying the original, Apple, or one of the few Samsung products that doesn't copy Apple. On finding the latter, Samsung's IP people have left clues for me - words like LTE, Super Amoled, 1.5GHz, etc....

What I'm saying is this IP war is moot. Apple's starting to look like Palm.
 
It's a good thing that you don't head any major company, then...



See, you've just shown that Samsung is the boss. Without those 'odd components' your iPhone wouldn't turn on at all.

Hopefully Cook will cancel all the contracts now, there are plenty of companies out there who can provide components for Apple products that are even better than Samsung.
 
That also shows very little. You need to understand that Samsung is BEHEMOTH of a company. What you fail to realize is the profits Samsung was making when Apple was barely making any years and years ago. Also, based on how most Asian providence work, Samsung DOES NOT need to account for their subsidiaries in their revenue/income/profit reports. So in essence, companies Samsung fully owns in one sense or another are not accounted for their balance sheets and reports.

EDIT: Heres a small piece of information:

"Veiled revenue Consolidated revenue is the sum of the revenues perceived by the company and the revenues from its subsidiaries all together. In FY 2009, Samsung Group had a revenue of 220 trillion KRW ($$172.5 billion), financial results are based on parent companies. In FY 2010, Samsung reported 280 trillion KRW($258 billion) worth of revenue, and 30 trillion KRW($27.6 billion) profit.(* Based upon a KRW=USD exchange rate of 1,084.5KRW per USD, the spot rate as of 19 August 2011) However, they also do not contain the revenues of overseas subsidiaries, and no one knows about real revenues."

The market capitalization is a valuation that already takes into account the current value of all assets, as well as the NPV of future profits. Any acquisition of a publicly-traded company would start with a valuation based on the market cap.
 
I see your point MBP, but it isn't 100% accurate.

Look at everything from accessory design to packaging design. The entire style was copied and pasted.

The similarities that I can see: there's a rectangular box that contains several items, the device is flat and rectangular, and both devices contain an operating system with a pull-down notification center (hm, who copied who for that?)

If you're referring to the charger, let me just state that the charger that came with my Galaxy S II doesn't look anything like that. Heck, it isn't even a USB charger.

Also, when I say that the IP was infringed on I should have stated that i was comparing a Samsung Galaxy phone to an iOS phone. The overall appearance was, for the most part, duplicated. The shape is almost identical to the 3GS but with a "samsung" logo on it and even some of the icons were damn near identical. The icons were designed to mimic the look of iOS icons, not to mention that the icon placement was duplicated (see the images from 9to5).

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Sorry, but that homescreen doesn't look like the grid of icons iOS has. Perhaps you were referring to the app menu? Just FYI- my Nokia had a grid of icons way before the iPhone came out.

Obviously you can't patent a black phone with 4 sides and corners as IP, TheMacBookPro...

Except that's what Apple sued Samsung over.

But please, next time you want to litter the forum with bad sarcasm...don't.

My post was completely serious.

Hopefully Cook will cancel all the contracts now, there are plenty of companies out there who can provide components for Apple products that are even better than Samsung.

I trust that you won't be purchasing any other electronic items any time soon too, then?

As well as sexy products that work brilliantly Apple always has immaculate customer service, go to a supermarket or clothes shop and you will get some drone on minimum wage giving you a vacant look as if you are something on the bottom of their shoe and seeing you as an inconvenience that is going to stop them talking all day about the latest sexual conquests they had at the weekend, go to an Apple store you find knowledgeable, friendly and enthusiastic staff who live and breathe Apple

If only Apple would start up a supermarket

You just proved his point... sad.

By the way, one cannot compare only two specific workers. I've seen rude Apple store workers as well as polite and helpful supermarket store workers.
 
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That connector is not Samsungs design, it's a standardized connector. Furthermore, it's black and has a raised part to allow better grip.

Apple didn't invent the white box with a product image on. The idea of making a box as small as possible did not come from some grand vision of Jobs. Furthermore, it's more space between the product image and the edges of the box on the Tab box.

Remember, Apple is the one who usually claims these trivial details are important, so naturally, the trivial differences should also be important.

Thank you for pointing out that, short of Samsung slapping an Apple logo on the back of their products (and perhaps "Designed in Cupertino, California" as well), you'll never be convinced Samsung is stealing Apple's IP.
 
What does Samsung make on Apple devices that no other company in the world is capable of making ?


in smaller quantities probably many but to meet the volume that apple requires and to the high level of perfection giiven the price that consumers expect not many id guess
 
What does Samsung make on Apple devices that no other company in the world is capable of making ?

Suppose Apple really does rid of Samsung as a supplier. Good for them for finding a supplier that can produce enough at a decent quality (pretty hard feat, this).

But what about that TV? Your new microwave? Oven? Digital clock? You need to understand that Samsung is a huge company producing many different internals for many products and it's basically impossible to avoid having their components in your electronic devices.
 
in smaller quantities probably many but to meet the volume that apple requires and to the high level of perfection giiven the price that consumers expect not many id guess

What is to stop Samsung sabotaging their own components or giving Apple a known dodgy batch so that iPad's/iPhone's etc don't work properly ? I would say that could well be a serious danger now and on that basis alone let alone any others it is in Apple's interests to terminate all agreements with Samsung.

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Suppose Apple really does rid of Samsung as a supplier. Good for them for finding a supplier that can produce enough at a decent quality (pretty hard feat, this).

But what about that TV? Your new microwave? Oven? Digital clock? You need to understand that Samsung is a huge company producing many different internals for many products and it's basically impossible to avoid having their components in your electronic devices.

My issue is with their phones and tablet computers division, I could probably find hundreds of things in my house with some Samsung DNA on and it is unavoidable, I would be happy to see Samsung driven out of the phone and tablet market and the rest of their companies and divisions carrying on
 
What is to stop Samsung sabotaging their own components or giving Apple a known dodgy batch so that iPad's/iPhone's etc don't work properly ? I would say that could well be a serious danger now and on that basis alone let alone any others it is in Apple's interests to terminate all agreements with Samsung.


i would imagine that apple when negotiating the contract with samsung ,would have build in penalties for such events that woud more than compensate them. if they didnt then shame on them.
 
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Samsung blatantly made a rectangular phone with a flat black screen on the front, yes. What, did you expect them to make a triangular phone with a bumpy bright pink screen?



How was Samsung 'infringing' on Apple's IP? They designed a phone with corners? Yet when Samsung sues Apple for a genuine patent relating to an actual technology, you tell me that Apple isn't infringing on any of Samsung's IP. Hilarious.



Actually, all I see is one company (*cough*Apple*cough*) crying about someone stealing their 'idea' for corners.

My post from two pages back was directed squarely at people just like you.



Look at your other posts in this thread:

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When you're on an Apple forum, supporting Apple, yet you still get downranked, you know you're doing something wrong.

When you point to downmarks on a forum where any child can vote, as some sort of validation, you know you're trying too hard.
 
What is to stop Samsung sabotaging their own components or giving Apple a known dodgy batch so that iPad's/iPhone's etc don't work properly ?

Usually multinationals don't behave like 4 year olds over a little IP dispute.

This patent stuff hurts apple more than sumsung because apple has the stronger consumer brand, whereas samsung's strength is more rooted in their technological capability. So all samsung is doing is trying to take some wind out of Apple's consumer confidence in retaliation for Apple bugging up a product release.

But at the end of the day, tech capability reigns, not patents. (see Polaroid vs. Kodak; Selden vs. Ford etc...)
 
When you point to downmarks on a forum where any child can vote, as some sort of validation, you know you're trying too hard.

It's not a case of trying too hard, I'm just trying to point something out. Perhaps next time I'll quote posts by others replying to his over-reactions.

<offtopic> Took a look through your G+ profile... I find it interesting how you state you don't like fanboys but you clearly are an Apple fanboy who has a vendetta against anything Android :)
 
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2011/10/133_96008.html

Samsung's semiconductor biz looking up

Upbeat outlook comes despite patent wrangling with buyers

By Kim Yoo-chul

A patent row between Samsung Electronics and Apple is ironically a favorable opportunity for the Korean chip giant to sharpen its edge in profitability in the advanced non-memory chip business.

``Samsung aims to reap at least $1.5 billion in revenue from our foundry business by 2015, up from last year’s some $400 million,’’ said a high-ranking Samsung executive, Tuesday.

Samsung is targeting an annualized 30 percent growth in its foundry business over the next four years.

Its foundry business is well categorized as part of the non-memory business.

The logic looks quite simple. A chipmaker just manufactures chips with the specifications outlined by a client. That business requires refined chip manufacturing technologies and is also labor-intensive.

Officials at Samsung’s chip sector don’t doubt that further expansion of its foundry business is a top priority and one Samsung source said that the company has set the ``fab-light’’ strategy as the industry’s new outlook, fueling optimism that its foundry service will strengthen.

Samsung Electronics extends the foundry service to Xilinx, Qualcomm, Toshiba as well as Apple, according to Samsung officials.

``The key point is that Samsung should overcome the chip industry’s cyclical ups and downs for corporate sustainability. The foundry business will become our new growth engine,’’ said Kwon Oh-hyun, the chief of the company’s device solutions division, in a recent meeting with reporters.

``Samsung was not initially active in the foundry business. But we’ve been continuously developing it since 2005 when Samsung entered the sector,’’ the semiconductor head said, expecting ``foundry pitches’’ to soon yield high returns.

As for the necessary technology, Samsung’s chip plant in Austin, Texas, has recently fully converted its production line to NAND flashes with large-sized 12-inch wafers, according to data obtained by The Korea Times.

The plant in Texas plans to adopt a finer 27-nanometer chip-making processing technology for flash memories from 35- to 32-nanometers and it’s been set to expand the foundry business in order to meet rising demand for such products, according to data from Gartner, a leading market research firm.

No backlash in patent woes

Apple and Samsung have been involved in a heavy legal battle over patent infringement claims this year.

Apple is known to have dropped Samsung in favor of Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) for the next version of its custom design mobile processors used in its popular i-branded products.

But Samsung insiders and industry officials expect the switch will be ``short-lived’’ because Samsung has a proven roadmap in chip-making technologies and a reliable output commitment.


Samsung Austin Semiconductor (SAS) in Texas, tasked to handle mobile application processors (APs) for Apple, has an annual production capacity of 65,000 sheets, the latest Gartner report showed.

``Samsung is better positioned to clearly commit production volumes at reasonable prices because it has proven chip-making technologies. It is very unlikely for Apple to switch client basis suddenly, just because of patent diputes,’’ said another Samsung executive familiar with the matter.

``The Apple-Samsung fight is a totally different matter. We are reliable and trustable chip supplier to Apple. Apple knows that,’’ the executive added.


The so-called ``A6 mobile AP’’ will be used in advanced iPhones and iPads, which Apple plans to introduce next year. Analysts believe that Samsung already makes its predecessor, the A5, in Austin.

``Apple will stick with Samsung and its Austin factory to make A5 mobile chips rather than opt for rival supplier TSMC. Because TSMC's manufacturing process hasn’t gelled, the risk of going with it is too high,’’ said Ashok Kumar of Rodman & Renshaw in a note to clients.

``No other foundry can match Samsung’s capacity commitment, process road map and pricing,’’ Kumar claimed.

Steve Park, a senior Apple representative, declined to comment, as did Samsung Electronics spokesman Ken Noh.

Samsung plans to spend 4 trillion won for non-memories that include the foundry business and mobile APs, while 6.3 trillion won has been set aside for its traditionally-strong memory chip business, Samsung said.

Apple is going to buy over 8 trillion won or $7 billion worth of computer memory chips this year from its South Korean frenemy, enough to rank as Samsung’s biggest overseas client by the end of 2011.

As well as mobile APs, Apple buys large quantities of memory chips from Samsung for almost all its i-products.
 
Apple has been a huge part of my life for a good part of 20 years, I have queued up all night for products outside of stores countless times, I have used Apple products hours a day every day, they are almost an extended family to me even if Steve and Tim wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire in the street so when someone is disrespectful to Apple like Samsung are being I feel almost like someone is disrespecting my brother or sister so yes I severely want to see Samsung humilliated and forced to pull out of the phone and tablet market altogether

is Siri going to be your girlfriend?
 
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