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Beautiful phone! The issue with Samsung phones is that they reduplicate all of Google's efforts. Now you will have two "assistants" on the phone to go with your two email clients, your two web browsers, your two calendars, etc.

I have exactly the simular situation on my iPhone, I use the GMail App and Chrome ignoring the in-built's
 
Profits should only matter if you're a stock holder. If they have a smaller amount of market share and the vast majority of profits, that tells you they're over charging you strictly from a consumers point of view.

I am a stockholder and I have never felt over charged. I feel like I get many years of use, frequent software updates, and high resale value from all of my Apple products.
 
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I love the front display but the back of the phone looks cheap. The back on Samsung phones is always too busy, too crowded and too much branding. We get it. You want people to know its the new Samsung S8+ etc. but that camera is hideous.
 
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Nope.

I stated that a large group of people I socialize with is locked into the proprietary and closed iMessage.

Having access to iMessage would be good for me socially but I have never been able to justify the high cost, low functionality, and relatively poor reliability of iOS hardware or the non-Mac ecosystem. Especially since I need my phone for work.

Android has been killing iOS in the segment that Apple invented for many years. In hardware, software, and ecosystem. And price! And sales! And penetration!! Why does that not worry anyone?

I don't personally see that trend reversing until Apple takes every accountant who is milking Steve's ideas for profit and puts them on the 10, 5, and 2 program. (Take 10 minutes to tell them they have 5 minutes to pack 2 boxes and GTFO.)

I mentioned the other factoids to let you know that I actually an OG supporter of Apple: I have nearly 20 years of either believing in the company and platform or (more recently) wanting to believe in it.

Makes sense. I like my phone for it's ability to help me socialize far more than its lack of... um. I don't know. Low end VR.
 
How is the home button on the back of the device working out for those that have phones with a home button on the back? It seems to me (as someone who has never used a phone that has a fingerprint sensor/home button on the back of the device) that it would take some getting used to. I guess it's probably muscle memory as much as anything else, though.

Yes, you are the only. I'm sure HTC has something for you though.
You nailed it... This is why I left samsung for the iphone... Two App stores also... The carrier will also duplicate apps as well, music, video... My note was a total mess... Another issues is most all these apps are locked so you cannot remove them...
If you don't want to use duplicated apps all you need to do is remove them from the home screens. How difficult is that?
 
The first Edge model was there way before the very first rumors of an iPhone with a curved display. Meanwhile, we've got the touchbar, animated stickers and emoticons. Have to deal with that.


IOS 10 sucks, I refuse to upgrade to it. The fist edgeless or curved edge patent was released on Patently Apple 2 years before Samsung did it. If you take a look keep going back in the archive around iPhone 5. You will see so many patents from years ago wthat Apple has been working it. Apple scrapped it saying it was not relevent at the time or some BS like that. The point is it is not that hard to get an idea of what Apple is doing, make an educaitned guess, copy it and beat them to market. I'd do it...
 
you can't be serious?

how can they be copying something that isn't even out yet or even copy plans when samsung were clearly planning this design since the S7 was out.

If anything apple are copying android with OLED/Wireless charging/iris scanning

I love all my apple products but the amount of comments from people who can only see out of their apple glasses is embarrassing.

Yes, I'm afraid Samsung and all those others who have launched bezeless phones have pulled their resources together, and employed the skills of 'Doc' and Delorean and built a time machine.
It's sad... but true.. I'm so sorry you had to hear about this.. but they have all been sending engineers in turn, into the future and then copying the iPhone from said future for their own devices.
I don't know, maybe one day they'll all learn and hopefully stop, that way the risk of a timeline collapse into parallel universes will be prevented :)

(If you think this comment is stupid, it's NO MORE stupid them claiming Samsung have copied Apples rumoured unseen designs.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:) you need to go and learn your recent smart phone history, I suggest to start with Sharp...
 
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Samsung is Copying Apple. They do it through trolling their patients, sharing the desisgn between Samsungs hardare division and via rummors. Samsung purpsoly copies and then jumps the gun to try to out do them. Apple problem is their lock step upgrade process. Any other tech cokmpnay can try to out do them just before they do their product release like clock work.

That curved screen was from Apple's patent several years ago. 2 years after their beta patent for a curved edge phone Samsung releases their copy cat.

Just just cuz they were "first" does not mean they are relevent or that they came up with it. Bein first to markt does not mean it is original.
Well, Samsung is making the screens for the next iPhone. Let's hope it will that good as the S8. Most of the tech inside the iPhone aren't apple's inventions. The camera is borrowed from Sony where Samsung develops its own tech. So it will be hard for Apple to compete with others making their own technology. As of today, Samsung has set the gold standard. I don't believe Apple will ever be able to leapfrog them anymore. They were very lucky with the battery disaster. If that didn't happen, the landscape would have been very different today. Bixby seems to do a lot more then Siri does already, although it's to early to be sure. Apple stood still these last 4 years. All I can hope for is that they have been developing amazing technology behind the curtains or I'll never believe they'll be the phone company ever again.
 
I bet this phone gets lots of churn from other android users that held out not buying Samsung because of the odd home button. It's irrelevant in android. Now that it's gone the rest of the hardware will sell itself.
 
I am not sure why market share is so important. I'd think revenue and sales would be. And Apple took 90% of smartphone profits in 2016 and their year old 6s sold more than all the Samsung phones combined. The 7 came out 6 months after the S7 and it sold more in 2016. Seems like Apple is doing something right.
Good to take a lot of profits if you're a shareholder or a manager who needs his quarterly bonus.

This worked great for RIMM, PALM, Microsoft, and the movie studios...right up until it didn't.

In technology, you stay ahead of the curve or you die a sudden and undignified death.

Apple is still pimping out the ideas that Steve had between the 80's and 2007. They have literally done nothing revolutionary in 10 years.

Their high profit margins speak to this, as reselling old ideas definitely keeps costs and risks down.

Tim should print out a PALM OS logo and tape it to the fridge in the coffee room.

Look at Symbian, RIM, PALM. They kept selling devices for a long time after they stopped having new ideas.

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Apple got lucky with the exploding S7, I don't think Apple will be as lucky this time.
Im sure im not the first to correct you but it was the *Note* 7 not S7 that was catching fire. I had the Note 7 and I loved it. I miss it sometimes. Although this S8 is beyond sexy, my experience with the two S7 edges' I got from Samsung as replacements for the Note 7 was enough to drive me away from Samsung for good. Couldnt be happier with my switch to iPhone. But it will definitely be interesting to see if the next iPhone lives up to this S8 in terms of pure aesthetics.
 
I really love the look of it and expect Apple to bring something to the table that will impress just as much. Otherwise I think they are in deep trouble and I will probably take a year of with the iphone and this Samsung thing out.
 
you can't be serious?

how can they be copying something that isn't even out yet or even copy plans when samsung were clearly planning this design since the S7 was out.

If anything apple are copying android with OLED/Wireless charging/iris scanning

I love all my apple products but the amount of comments from people who can only see out of their apple glasses is embarrassing.
No. Samsung copied Apple even with their amoled displays. They have a time machine which they use to go into the future and see what the iPhone looks like. Then they come back to our time and put it all on their phones before Apple.
 
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They kept the headphone jack as well. Well done for commonsense at last. But. The IR blaster removal is a shame but then they dropped that with the S7 too. But they'll do well with the great new features especially the ability to transform into a Android computer and Bixby etc. Great. As I said in past. It's Apple's make or break year in 2017. No more prevarication and bluff and coloured iPhone distraction techniques. No more smoke and mirrors any more. Useful and functional features will win over brand loyalty eventually. Has the time come for Apple to put up or shut up? Come on Tim. No more media savvy trips. This is your time to shine ..... then again though ... Smoked Mirror you say? Now that's one colour scheme I'd buy regardless of any lack of new features. Oh no what am I doing ... I've been swept along with the hype again. No. Must fight it. I want proper stuff ... not superficial casings and minor spec.bumps again. However I can't deny that RED design is pretty eye catching ..... mmmm ... pass me my credit card
... argh!... what am I saying? .... ('That's enough repetitive joke spouting!'-Ed.)
 
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IOS 10 sucks, I refuse to upgrade to it. The fist edgeless or curved edge patent was released on Patently Apple 2 years before Samsung did it. If you take a look keep going back in the archive around iPhone 5. You will see so many patents from years ago wthat Apple has been working it. Apple scrapped it saying it was not relevent at the time or some BS like that. The point is it is not that hard to get an idea of what Apple is doing, make an educaitned guess, copy it and beat them to market. I'd do it...

What is fist edgeless?
 



Samsung officially announced its much-anticipated Galaxy S8 and S8+ smartphones today at simultaneous launch events held in New York's Lincoln Center and London's Olympic Park.

The company's post-Note7 comeback device and de facto "iPhone 8" rival has already been the subject of several leaks in recent weeks, but today we finally got the full picture of what Samsung's new flagship models are offering consumers who are in the market for a new smartphone this year.

As expected, the S8 comes in two sizes with a curved edge-to-edge 5.8-inch or 6.2-inch QHD AMOLED display. The always-on screen has a 2960x1440 resolution within a minimal bezel design that pushes the home button with fingerprint recognition to the rear of the device, alongside the camera.

The rear camera features a 12 megapixel f/1.7 lens, while an 8 megapixel f/1.7 camera with autofocus sits above the screen on the front. Samsung has also integrated iris scanning and facial recognition into the front camera to make unlocking the phone and signing into websites easier.

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On the right side of the handset is the power button, while the left side houses volume controls and a separate button to activate Bixby, Samsung's new virtual assistant, developed by the original creators of Siri. Harman Kardon stereo speakers are visible on the bottom of the device, along with a USB-C port and a headphone jack.

Inside, the S8 features a Snapdragon 835 processor, a 10 nanometer chip made in partnership by Qualcomm and Samsung. Paired with the chip is 4GB of RAM and 64GB or 128GB of storage with microSD support for up to 256GB. The standard model has a 3,000mAh battery, while the Plus device gets 3,500mAh. Both models support fast wireless charging.

On the software side, the S8 runs Android 7.0 and has a Bluetooth dual audio feature that lets users stream audio to two separate headsets or speakers at the same time. There's also a multi-window feature that enables two apps to run on the screen simultaneously. Another feature Samsung is debuting with the S8 is Samsung DeX, which allows users to connect the phone to an external display, keyboard, and mouse, to use the operating system like a computer.

The 5.8-inch Galaxy S8 price starts at $750, while the 6.2-inch 8+ device starts at $850. Prices may vary. Both handsets are waterproof to IP68 standard and come in Midnight Black, Orchid Gray, and Arctic Silver colorways. Pre-orders begin on March 30. Both handsets will go on sale online and in stores in the U.S., Canada, and across Europe on April 21.

The pieces are finally starting to come together for what should be a remarkable battle of the smartphones this year. Apple's widely rumored high-end redesigned iPhone with a 5.8-inch edge-to-edge OLED display will likely launch in September, although the majority of stock may not be available until later in the fourth quarter, according to recent rumors.

Apple is widely expected to use Samsung-made AMOLED display technology in at least one of three possible iPhones to be released this year, so the S8 arguably offers the best preview yet of the screen quality of possible future Apple devices. Rumors suggest Touch ID could be embedded in the equivalent Apple display, while iris scanning, facial recognition, and some form of wireless charging have also been floated as possible features of a "10th anniversary" edition iPhone.

Article Link: Samsung Unveils Galaxy S8 and S8+ With Iris and Facial Recognition, No Home Button
 
Good to take a lot of profits if you're a shareholder or a manager who needs his quarterly bonus.

This worked great for RIMM, PALM, Microsoft, and the movie studios...right up until it didn't.

In technology, you stay ahead of the curve or you die a sudden and undignified death.

Apple is still pimping out the ideas that Steve had between the 80's and 2007. They have literally done nothing revolutionary in 10 years.

Their high profit margins speak to this, as reselling old ideas definitely keeps costs and risks down.

Tim should print out a PALM OS logo and tape it to the fridge in the coffee room.

Look at Symbian, RIM, PALM. They kept selling devices for a long time after they stopped having new ideas.

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Samsung mobile division lost millions, how did market share help them. Based on this logic one could basically say the s8 is just another iteration of the s6, recycling old ideas with some new tech thrown in.
 
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I am not sure why market share is so important. I'd think revenue and sales would be. And Apple took 90% of smartphone profits in 2016 and their year old 6s sold more than all the Samsung phones combined. The 7 came out 6 months after the S7 and it sold more in 2016. Seems like Apple is doing something right.
If Apple takes 90% of the profits it also means it took 90% out of your pocket, lol. I'm very pleased to see Samsung just launched the gold standard in phones. Meaning Apple has to take less out your pocket to keep you as a customer or giving you more bang for the buck. Something they haven't been doing for the last four years.
 
Marketshare = good. More marketshare = more good.

Flirting with single-digit marketshare = flirting with TEOTWAWKI.

Don't believe me? Ask Blackberry.

If you're so sure of yourself that Apple is going to be the next BB, why aren't you shorting APPL?

Oh that's right, because your logic is flawed.
 
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