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Beautiful phone! The issue with Samsung phones is that they reduplicate all of Google's efforts. Now you will have two "assistants" on the phone to go with your two email clients, your two web browsers, your two calendars, etc.

It's been toned down a bit on the S7, but I actually find myself using the Samsung Apps (calendar & mail) more than the google ones.
 
You can say you prefer iOS, but most Android devices these days just work right out of the box as well...
People are still thinking in the past. Today android is as good if not better than iOS. When considering services into it... there is no comparison to Apple maps, google maps, Siri and google now, iCloud. Services on android are so much better and the gap is widening each year.
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Or Apple will what?

Theverge asked a similar question last year, ironically. The rest as we know it is history.
The Samsung battery disaster was a gift for Apple. If not, the landscape would have been very different today.
 
I think now on android you can sync with your devices far better. I mean samsung flow is great to do things on your phone then do it on your tablet for example.

there are back up apps where you can get all your info from your old phone to your new one like with icloud. So stuff like that has come a long way.

if you don't use imessage then really there isn't a huge reason to stay unless you simply have alot of apple devices and don't want to switch.
 
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Devices with no bezels do look far more elegant in pictures, but having used the S7 edge for a while last year, I found it cumbersome as you'd accidentally press buttons due to your grip. I found the only time this wasn't an issue was with a case on it!

I went to the iPhone SE afterward. Usability is far more important than a big curved display.
 
People are still thinking in the past. Today android is as good if not better than iOS. When considering services into it... there is no comparison to Apple maps, google maps, Siri and google now, iCloud. Services on android are so much better and the gap is widening each year.

I agree with you that Googles built in services are better than Apples. Google Now beats Siri handily as does Google Maps to Apple Maps.

But I don't agree with this statement when we look at the Android Ecosystem as a whole. The apps are often inferior to their iOS equivalents and many great apps just don't release on Android at all, this hasn't changed in 2016 it hasn't changed so far in 2017.

I can always download Google Maps on my iOS device. I can have Google Now on my iOS device. I can replace the lacklustre parts of iOS with Googles equivalents. But I can't run the iOS apps I love on Android, only the crappy ports or poor equivalents from different developers.

I say this just as an honest opinion.
 
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Time to lawyer up a dup, this sucks...

It's called industrial espionage and beating your competitor to market. With lack of creativity the Asian business mens are ruthless.

Seriously, Apple should just come out with iPhone Beta: a beta version (hardware) with limited, very early release and charge several thousand dollars for it and make people listen to Rush Limbaugh to get a golden ticket to purchase one. At least that way it can show up these knock offs for what they actually are. Showcase their latest tech and get feedback. Think like a startup again Apple b/c Asians are evil genius' when it comes to the copy-cat first to market game.

So, what do you get for dragging your feet... your biggest competitor basically debuts YOUR next phone 6 months before you do. --It's a hard-knock life--

Im assuming you're serious, otherwise disregard my post:

What a bizarre comment. You're acting like you already know what Apple is going to release when it's based on rumors.

And how is Samsung copying Apple here? Your argument is that Samsung releases it first, so that when Apple releases it later, Samsung will have copied Apple? Samsung had OLED screens for years and had a curved Galaxy phone for about 2 years. Android phones have had on-screen home buttons for years.

This phone looks like the best Android phone ever made if you vibe with TouchWiz like me. It has a headphone jack, the best screen, premium design, an excellent camera, expandable storage, and yes the scanner on the back is weird but this phone pushes the envelope big time.
 
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My money is exactly where my mouth is.

There are lots of ways to bet against Apple's long term success.

Until you sell, the only money you've made are dividends. And AAPL are as stingy with their dividends as they are with their innovation.

Huh? There is so much wrong in these 2 sentences. That's like saying Warren Buffet is not really a billionaire until he sells his stock holdings. And stingy compared to whom? Do you realize there are major corps that pay no dividends?
 
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You still didn't answer the question.

In any business, market share is the means. Profits is the end.

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So I would argue that Apple has the best of both worlds. It has both market share and profits where they matter.
What did you gain by buying from the company that has the highest margins?

No contest from me that Apple is making a fortune off it's users.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

I feel that Apple products currently offer poor value.

Poor value propositions tend to be to the benefit of a company's executive and shareholders, but not it's customers.

Poor value propositions also tend to lead, in a competitive marketplace, to poor long-term outcomes.
 
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Huh? There is so much wrong in these 2 sentences. That's like saying Warren Buffet is not really a billionaire until he sells his stock holdings. And stingy compared to whom? Do you realize their are major corps that pay no dividends?
If you haven't sold, you have only made paper gains. You can't spend Apple stock at Denny's because Apple stock is not money.

Apple's dividends are stingy as heck in light of the cash hoarding they are doing and the risk that you are taking as an AAPL investor. In my opinion.

I'd rather go to the track.

Carl Icahn tends to agree with me and not you, apparently.
 
People are still thinking in the past. Today android is as good if not better than iOS. When considering services into it... there is no comparison to Apple maps, google maps, Siri and google now, iCloud. Services on android are so much better and the gap is widening each year.
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The Samsung battery disaster was a gift for Apple. If not, the landscape would have been very different today.
Gift? No, the fact that iPhones do not have a tendency to instantaneously combust is a competitive advantage that Apple possesses. Samsung didn't give Apple anything
 
I hate the aspect ratio, I wish they had gone with a 16:9 screen, the tall looking phone doesn't do it for me.

That and the Samsung skin on top of android that increases response time over stock. I'm like most I don't really care about more features now, the mobile phone is at it's limits, when you add something you have to take something else away. Also the curved screen edges while look cool the speculars always glare so the screen is even narrower than it already is!
 
So you've never heard of corporate espionage, I guess. You probably don't think that Samsung employees even read tech rumor sites. You probably also don't think that Samsung is aware of Apple's product timeline or anticioatrd dates for the product announcements. It aaaallllllll happens in a vacuum, right?
I don't like these comments. Samsung had OLED years ago. Samsung had a curved edge display about 2 years ago. Android has had on-screen home buttons for years. Iris and face scanning Apple doesn't have. Wireless charging Apple doesn't even have, or expandable storage, or a headphone jack.

Samsung and others copied the basic premise of the iPhone years ago, yes. But in the context of the Galaxy S8 design, Apple is simply late to the party, admit it. If only they had the capital and leadership to, you know, release a better phone instead of milking their older designs for profit?

But you know what, it's okay, because people will still buy them. And Samsung will continue to push the envelope, resulting in a better product for me.
 
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It's nice and all, but they need to do away with those black bars at the top and bottom. I don't want to see anything but screen!

:p
 
If you haven't sold, you have only made paper gains. You can't spend Apple stock at Denny's because Apple stock is not money.

Apple's dividends are stingy as heck in light of the cash hoarding they are doing and the risk that you are taking as an AAPL investor. In my opinion.

I'd rather go to the track.

Carl Icahn tends to agree with me and not you, apparently.

Well you go to the track and I'll hold on to my Apple stock--I wish there was a way to compare returns over time. And Buffet agrees with me and not you--and Buffet can buy Icahn's holdings several times over...
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Shots fire.

Going to be real sad watching what Apple puts up because I really have no faith in them delivering something competitive, least on price.

Apple doesn't compete on price...
 
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What did you gain by buying from the company that has the highest margins?
In my case, an integrated computing solution which just works right out of the box. No doubt they cost more upfront, but they have more than paid for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer problems overall.

No contest from me that Apple is making a fortune off it's users.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

I feel that Apple products currently offer poor value.

Poor value propositions tend to be to the benefit of a company's executive and shareholders, but not it's customers.

Poor value propositions also tend to lead, in a competitive marketplace, to poor long-term outcomes.

Well, in this case, the company with the highest margins is also the company who is, ironically enough, providing the most value in their products (for me at least).

That Apple sells as many products as they do despite their comparatively higher prices goes to show that there is no shortage of people who think likewise, and that they too find immense value in their products.

The market has voted with their wallets.
 
I don't like these comments. Samsung had OLED years ago. Samsung had a curved edge display about 2 years ago. Android has had on-screen home buttons for years. Iris and face scanning Apple doesn't have. Wireless charging Apple doesn't even have, or expandable storage, or a headphone jack.

Samsung and others copied the basic premise of the iPhone years ago, yes. But in the context of the Galaxy S8 design, Apple is simply late to the party, admit it. If only they had the capital and leadership to, you know, release a better phone instead of milking their older designs for profit?

But you know what, it's okay, because people will still buy them. And Samsung will continue to push the envelope, resulting in a better product for me.
I understand your points and agree with some. I would like a 3.5mm headphone jack, although it's presence on a Galaxy doesn't exactly demonstrate design independence. My opinion is that Samsung has a good idea what was developing and jumped out in front, just like the disastrous rushed-to-market 7.

Regardless, I appreciate your argument and the civility with which you presented it.
 
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Belief has nothing to do with it.

iPhone + Airpods + Apple Watch.

iPad Pro + Apple Pencil + Apple TV.

iOS only apps such as overcast, tweetbot, fantastical and spark.

Services such as Apple Pay, continuity and airdrop.

Find me the competing alternatives which work just as well, assuming they even work at all.
AppleTV is the most crashy and infurating device I have used since Windows 95. I have had several and they are garbage.

They also don't do the basics like "receive what the iPhone is trying to send" or "show me the content I want to watch". Or "play a movie without crashing in the middle of it." I don't know how that "just works". I

iOS (your first three examples) is famous for being endlessly hit and miss. Sometimes updates kill it. Sometimes updates kill the battery life. Sometimes i just slows down irreparably for no reason -- typically right before new hardware is released. Sometimes it's horrible and you want to downgrade but you're not allowed. Sometimes an update kills facetime (an advertised feature) and you can never get it back until you buy another thousand dollar cellphone or sue the vendor. Ridiculous.

All of those issues are extensively documented by millions of users and class-action participants. There is nothing "just works" about it.

The only thing that Apple is worse at than software are services. I am a paid iCloud user -- I joined when it was dot mac. The uptime record is atrocious. It gets features and then they are taken away. SEARCH is garbage. I can't search my own mailbox in the web client. It's horrible and does not get better, unlike commodity free services. And I have to pay for the privilege of using it!

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/07/steve-jobs-reaction-to-mobileme-launch-and-other-anecdotes/

Photos were storable in the cloud for awhile and then they weren't. Then I had to upgrade my cloud database to a format that precluded my iPad and my iPhoto from accessing my photos. Totally insane.

I could go on, and you know it. You are willfully ignoring Apple's terrible, horrible track record when you say that Apple products "just work".

I know a guy with a Mercedes who has exactly the same delusion. It's in the shop constantly, but he goes on about the quality of his high-end luxury car.

EDIT now more of their horrible product history is coming to mind. Airport and Airport Extreme = sometimes work sometimes no work. Year after year, generation after generation. Eventually they just stopped trying and quietly phased them out. Time machine same thing -- fails to back up for no reason, fails to restore for no reason.

Anecdote: I once took a failed time machine restore to the Apple store for help because I was panicking. User had backed up a lifetime of photos on an Apple time capsule using Time Machine and a high-spec CTO MBP which promptly failed.

I was told by multiple people at the Apple store (and you can check this out) that Apple does not offer support or guidance for Time Machine because the liability to Apple is too great.

So the developer and vendor of a bad product, designed to help people with disaster recovery, has (or had in around 2012) a policy to refuse to support the product if it malfunctions during a disaster recovery.

And in classical Apple style, the dialog box offered no information about the error or how it could be recovered.

(I got the data back eventually but without the help of Apple or Time Machine.)

The emperor has no clothes, people.
 
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