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It's disappointing to me that Samsung just gathers all the iPhone rumors, patches a phone together, and hurls it out at us. I value competition in the marketplace, but this is like clone wars.

My iPhone 6 plus has 43,000 photos, 650 apps and 112,000 e-mails. There is no way I would trust that amount of content to a Samsung device, and depend on everything to update correctly.
 
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I don't like these comments. Samsung had OLED years ago. Samsung had a curved edge display about 2 years ago. Android has had on-screen home buttons for years. Iris and face scanning Apple doesn't have. Wireless charging Apple doesn't even have, or expandable storage, or a headphone jack.

Samsung and others copied the basic premise of the iPhone years ago, yes. But in the context of the Galaxy S8 design, Apple is simply late to the party, admit it. If only they had the capital and leadership to, you know, release a better phone instead of milking their older designs for profit?

But you know what, it's okay, because people will still buy them. And Samsung will continue to push the envelope, resulting in a better product for me.
Well. Said. ;)
 
Apple got lucky with the exploding S7, I don't think Apple will be as lucky this time.
That implies the iPhone 7 was a piece of crap and a flop that couldn't have survived on its own without Samsung's faulty batteries. And I totally reject that narrative. For one thing it assumes people will bail on iOS in droves for a nice Samsung phone but that hasn't historically been the case in either direction. Ecosystem stickiness, for one thing.

If the rumors are accurate, the iPhone 8 is going to be very, very similar anyway: ~5.8" OLED screen (made by Samsung), virtual home button, retina scanning, much smaller bezels, etc. iPhone does have the dual-lens camera trick up its sleeve, which Samsung did not address. As usual, I think it's mostly going to come down to which OS you prefer and which ecosystem you're most invested in (and how deeply).
 
My money is exactly where my mouth is.

There are lots of ways to bet against Apple's long term success.

Until you sell, the only money you've made are dividends. And AAPL are as stingy with their dividends as they are with their innovation.

No, you would short AAPL if you believed they're the next BB.

Carl Icahn tends to agree with me and not you, apparently.

....and Warren Buffet made Carl Ichan look like an idiot for selling.
 
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Man I'm ready for the leaks for the next iPhone! If I hadn't switched away from Android last October, the S8 or the S8 plus is the phone I would have gotten :).
 
as an apple forum can't believe how many haters are on here, I stick with apple cos iOS is better than android end off

Apple's success is actually the direct inverse of how much hate they get. The more people hate a device, the more successful it actually becomes.
 
Thinking of switching from iPhone 6 Plus to S8 after been in Apple ecosystem for almost a decade.

I was wondering how easy it is to switch and how well Samsung phones are integrated with Mac OS X as I am not fully ready to switch the desktop.
 
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Albeit with ads and viruses ....

Apple users always say that about Windows and Android. As someone who uses a mix of platforms, I have to say that the supposed prevalence of malware is an Apple scare tactic. Common sense works surprisingly well as anti-virus protection.

Anyway, I hope the S8 sells like mad! Push Apple to do even better. Only competition drives innovation.
 
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i wish the screen didn't have those rounded corners but this s8 ****z on any iphone in terms of design. iphone looks dated as hell.
 
No, you would short AAPL if you believed they're the next BB.
No, I would not.

I will not spend my own money betting against Apple.

I don't like their current position or trajectory, and there would be poop running down my leg if I was a board member, but I am not saying that they won't still pull it out of the fire.

They certainly have access to the resources, the momentum, the recognition, the talent.

By not having strategic vision, all that they are burning are user goodwill and time. Neither of which show up on the balance sheet, which is why the investors haven't caught on yet.

The users, on the other hand, smell a rat. Hence the conspicuous lack of increases in adoption or market penetration.

This is similar to the position that Blackberry was in in 2005, and maybe PALM in around 2000.

("Make the same thing but thinner" or "increase the price and give it a crappy keyboard and no ports" are not strategic vision. "Reinvent music" and "all mobile software is horrible -- let's make a wonderful stack that everyone can use" are.)

I believe that Apple is one visionary leader away from owning the 2020's the way that they owned the 2000's. And I desperately hope that they find that visionary.

I hoped that Blackberry would get it right too, and they still might. I wanted PALM to knock another one out of the park, and lord knows they had everything they needed to do it.

I wasn't long or short RIMM or PALM, and nor will I be AAPL.
 
Mark my words. People will be nostalgic for the home button in ten years. I found a second generation iPod in the closet. Like an old car, its design is amusing and unique again.
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HiRez, I LOVE your tagline!
 
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makes the size of the 7 plus look embarrassing next to the S8 plus
 
Mark my words. People will be nostalgic for the home button in ten years. I found a second generation iPod in the closet. Like an old car, its design is amusing and unique again.

Maybe, but I think as people get used to changes in tech, they adapt. (Like touch screens becoming the dominate smartphone style from the Blackberry models of actual keyboards & screens).

Some people may miss physical keyboards, but the majority of people seem to favor the real estate of a full screen.
 
No, I would not.

I will not spend my own money betting against Apple.

I don't like their current position or trajectory, and there would be poop running down my leg if I was a board member, but I am not saying that they won't still pull it out of the fire.

They certainly have access to the resources, the momentum, the recognition, the talent.

By not having strategic vision, all that they are burning are user goodwill and time. Neither of which show up on the balance sheet, which is why the investors haven't caught on yet.

The users, on the other hand, smell a rat. Hence the conspicuous lack of increases in adoption or market penetration.

This is similar to the position that Blackberry was in in 2005, and maybe PALM in around 2000.

("Make the same thing but thinner" or "increase the price and give it a crappy keyboard and no ports" are not strategic vision. "Reinvent music" and "all mobile software is horrible -- let's make a wonderful stack that everyone can use" are.)

I believe that Apple is one visionary leader away from owning the 2020's the way that they owned the 2000's. And I desperately hope that they find that visionary.

I hoped that Blackberry would get it right too, and they still might. I wanted PALM to knock another one out of the park, and lord knows they had everything they needed to do it.

I wasn't long or short RIMM or PALM, and nor will I be AAPL.

You're the only person in the world to draw similarities between BB and Apple. You're wasting your breath.
 
AppleTV is the most crashy and infurating device I have used since Windows 95. I have had several and they are garbage.

They also don't do the basics like "receive what the iPhone is trying to send" or "show me the content I want to watch". Or "play a movie without crashing in the middle of it." I don't know how that "just works". I

iOS (your first three examples) is famous for being endlessly hit and miss. Sometimes updates kill it. Sometimes updates kill the battery life. Sometimes i just slows down irreparably for no reason -- typically right before new hardware is released. Sometimes it's horrible and you want to downgrade but you're not allowed. Sometimes an update kills facetime (an advertised feature) and you can never get it back until you buy another thousand dollar cellphone or sue the vendor. Ridiculous.

All of those issues are extensively documented by millions of users and class-action participants. There is nothing "just works" about it.

The only thing that Apple is worse at than software are services. I am a paid iCloud user -- I joined when it was dot mac. The uptime record is atrocious. It gets features and then they are taken away. SEARCH is garbage. I can't search my own mailbox in the web client. It's horrible and does not get better, unlike commodity free services. And I have to pay for the privilege of using it!

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/07/steve-jobs-reaction-to-mobileme-launch-and-other-anecdotes/

Photos were storable in the cloud for awhile and then they weren't. Then I had to upgrade my cloud database to a format that precluded my iPad and my iPhoto from accessing my photos. Totally insane.

I could go on, and you know it. You are willfully ignoring Apple's terrible, horrible track record when you say that Apple products "just work".

I know a guy with a Mercedes who has exactly the same delusion. It's in the shop constantly, but he goes on about the quality of his high-end luxury car.

EDIT now more of their horrible product history is coming to mind. Airport and Airport Extreme = sometimes work sometimes no work. Year after year, generation after generation. Eventually they just stopped trying and quietly phased them out. Time machine same thing -- fails to back up for no reason, fails to restore for no reason.

Anecdote: I once took a failed time machine restore to the Apple store for help because I was panicking. User had backed up a lifetime of photos on an Apple time capsule using Time Machine and a high-spec CTO MBP which promptly failed.

I was told by multiple people at the Apple store (and you can check this out) that Apple does not offer support or guidance for Time Machine because the liability to Apple is too great.

So the developer and vendor of a bad product, designed to help people with disaster recovery, has (or had in around 2012) a policy to refuse to support the product if it malfunctions during a disaster recovery.

And in classical Apple style, the dialog box offered no information about the error or how it could be recovered.

(I got the data back eventually but without the help of Apple or Time Machine.)

The emperor has no clothes, people.


I don't have these problems. Apple TV is flawless as is my Extreme, Apple Watch, iPads, Mac, and iPhones. Sounds like user error or a Samsung fanboy that never actually owned what he states.

I never had FaceTime disappear or crap battery life after an update. The fact that they just released a new file system that was a flawless install for millions of people is amazing.

If Samsung is so freaking wonderful, buy one and enjoy Touch Wiz and few if any OS updates.
 
You have to do the Pepsi and Coca Cola test... remove the logos and let people play with the iPhone 7 and Samsung Galaxy S8... then ask which one :rolleyes:

It will likely demonstrate how clueless Apple’s current customers are. Every time Apple announces a new iPhone model, Jimmy Kimmel approaches iPhone owners on the street and asks them to comment on the new phone. He showed them an iPad Mini in one example. In another example, he showed them the exact same phone as the one the person had. Unsurprisingly, they went gaga over it!
 
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