Totally agree, but have you read anything that suggests there is technology that could allow this? I'm not sure how a screen that needs to display an image could also read a fingerprint.
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Totally agree, but have you read anything that suggests there is technology that could allow this? I'm not sure how a screen that needs to display an image could also read a fingerprint.
The entire smartphone market is already slowing down. Smartphone sales in 2016 were only 3.3% bigger than in 2015. (1.48 billion vs 1.40 billion)
There will be lots of growing and shrinking within the smartphone market. Good lord... there are hundreds of smartphone OEMs.
But a slowing smartphone market doesn't necessarily mean bad news for Apple. Most people on Earth do NOT own an iPhone at the moment. So there's a chance those people could own an iPhone someday. Who knows.
And what do you consider a "major drop" in iPhone sales? Apple is already selling over 200 million smartphones a year. Even if that number dipped a little... or a lot... most companies would still love to have that number.
Let's remember the last time HTC sold 200 million units in a year. Oh... that was never.
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The tech exists. Its implementation is not mature yet.
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Having tried out the pixel phones and LG phones in stores, I really dislike the fingerprint positioning of those devices. It's certainly functional. Just overall inferior IMHO. With the sensor on the front, I find it extremely accessible and convenient whether it's two handed use, one handed, with the phone laying on my desk, etc. Understandably, everyone has different preferences
I can accept it if this is done for some incredibly useful feature that takes up the space of the fingerprint sensor on the front. But for even smaller bezels? The iPhone's bezels are comically large for sure. But the S7E already has really minimal bezels. This is so pointless. I guess smartphones are really running out of ideas.
Your circle may not be representative of an average S8 buyer. (I can take a guess, but I will just leave it at that)
Yea I'm all for smaller bezels to a point, I sure as hell hope Apple doesn't copy LG and Samsung and give us a screen with rounded corners, it looks horrible to me. And it's too skinny, too tall, and the curved edges just amplifies the long and skinny look. In day to day use I never find myself caring about the bezel size of the iPhone, and its not like it's just wasted space that's there for no reason. Behind those bezels are a lot of components, including the cameras, unless they just slap a massive screen on the current iPhone chassis, to make a phone with a smaller footprint they will also have to put in a smaller battery and camera. I don't think anyone would be happy with that.
Only wish it had iMessage...
I use that so much, it makes it hard to switch.
Whatsapp???
So say certain people who are either being intentionally obtuse, or have some other agenda. The iPhone 7 was the first iPhone since I believe the iPhone 4 that completely lived up to all the rumors, it got every one of them to my surprise. Everything from the dual cameras to water resistance, to dual stereo speakers, to the haptic home button. Anyone that claims it was an incremental upgrade is full of it.
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Don't confuse a jumbled mess for being technically superior. I know people at the top of the tech world who will only use iPhones just for the security alone.
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The S8 only comes in one size......there is no smallest. Maybe trump would not be president if people could read
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That you are correct on. The matte black and jet black look stunning
Though so is the Samsung batman and iron man edition phones
So am I imagining things here, or are you just trying to prove why we have Trump in the White House?
And I'm sorry, the back of Samsung phones is a cluttered mess of circles, squares, and logo's. No thanks.
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most people keep there phones 2 years these days.my brother is still using his iPhone 6 and my friend is still using his note 4.
btw 3 carriers are promising 5g this year and TMobile is up in a few cities!
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he is talking about the internal storage of all the devices.in the USA and most of the world all the gs8 and gs8 plus will come with 64gb storage.
And that is precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book. That they march to their own beat and don't care two hoots about what the rest think.
As for Samsung, I think this quote by them sums up everything.
So long as Samsung remains as insecure, petty and small minded as they are now, they can never be true to themselves and design the products that they want to design.
And that is why Samsung is doomed to forever live in Apple's shadow. Samsung is motivated by a desire to beat Apple, and their products are designed based on what they feel will let them one-up the iPhone, not what they feel gives the best user experience for their users.
When they say they want to overcome Apple perhaps they mean in terms of sales in the high end flagship market. It is a business after all and when you are at the top or near the top it's competitive. That's the way of commerce. Apple are also very focused on sales and profits. Many on this forum have moaned about Tim Cook, saying that all he cares about is revenue and not product quality.And that is precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book. That they march to their own beat and don't care two hoots about what the rest think.
As for Samsung, I think this quote by them sums up everything.
So long as Samsung remains as insecure, petty and small minded as they are now, they can never be true to themselves and design the products that they want to design.
And that is why Samsung is doomed to forever live in Apple's shadow. Samsung is motivated by a desire to beat Apple, and their products are designed based on what they feel will let them one-up the iPhone, not what they feel gives the best user experience for their users.
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Yeah, there is this little thing called, "The Future". You know. a time that is not the present.
A time when a phone in your pocket could be more powerful as most desktops / laptops today. Where you would only need a screen, keyboard, mouse and dock (standard USB-C hub?) at any location - or maybe just an AR headset. Desktop may not be a thing anymore. The operating system on the phone could be full blown Windows. Who knows.
FFS, people really don't have any fecking imagination these days. Oh and did I mention Android as the OS of choice?! No. Just liked the idea of Dex and things moving in this direction.
But please, continue with the insults and keep an eye on your blood pressure.
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Ha ha. Yep, you're done; iOS for life. S8 does seem like a great phone. But the 7 is really nice as well. And I'm sure the iPhone 8 will be better for you than the S8.
Folks with busted Galaxy phones will buy this. Or folks who's galaxy's battery is dying these days. It does look like it is the best Android phone on the market. It won't flop. But it won't sell in numbers approaching the iPhone 8.
And surely you are aware that Samsung is the only manufacturer who has not given up on OLED for smartphones, and pushed the tech every year while LCD tech has been stagnant for ages? /QUOTE]
LCD has been stagnant for ages? I had no idea we were still using the dim and terrible viewing angle LCD types from the 90's!
Well there is a cost to switching your OS. And the cost to switch will be just as high in September. But this S8 will look far less enticing and fancy six months after release. Though maybe you think you are so logical that you are not at all swayed by things being new.
This phone looks great. And it looks good compared to the iPhone 7. The iPhone 8 will be tougher competition for the S8 than the 7.
But one question, how many flagship smartphones do you buy a year? I guess if you buy a flagship two times a year, then yeah, maybe you buy it in September. I'm mainly just saying that I think if the S8 compared your current phone and the competition isn't enough of an upgrade to get you to buy now, then I doubt it will convince you to buy in September when the competition will be stronger (due to release of iPhone 8) or cheaper (many very good Android flagship phones will be released this year for $399).
To all of your points.. You are talking about the now. I was expressing thoughts about the future. A what might all this become scenario and generally thinking this is an exciting idea and I'm happy that MS and Samsung are are trying these things out.
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P: But euhh, duhh, still can't innovate my ass for fecal recognition
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Gotcha!
You're excited because you think in the near future, Android phones will run full Windows on external hardware.
Huh.
Bold prediction!
It would be interesting to see how licensing works for that, where on the 64gb SSDs that are standard on high-end Android phones that would fit, how much would the cost increase, how much more complexity this would add to typical corporate PC setups, new security issues that would arise, difficulty in switching phones, when one is also your full-fledged work PC as well, etc.
But thank you for envisioning this bold new future for us all (without thinking even for a second about how it could, or if it should occur).
Reminds me of the people that just blurt out: "iPad should run full macOS!", without thinking about what it would take to completely rewrite that OS to be touch based instead, and how it would ruin it for non-touchscreen users (see Windows 8).
They want "more PC-like features in iOS, on iPad", but instead call for "macOS on iPad", because they lack the imagination to conceive of a realistic way to get their desire.
The same is true of EITHER of these sentiments:
1) "Wow, I can run Android now without touch capabilities, but w/ keyboard & mouse as inputs! This is where corporate America is headed. People will be using gimped down Android, instead of full-fledged Windows, using dex docks soon"
2) "No... no. Of COURSE corporate America can't run on trimmed down Android. They have an entrenched ecosystem of expensive & secure networks w/ hardware and software systems that run on Windows.
Buuuut, I refuse to think dex docks still aren't the solution! I guess they'll just somehow still run what they need to run & do what they need to do, but somehow it will all be magically powered off my Android phone!"
Nobody is saying that a future where one device rules & all you need is different size screens in different places wouldn't be cool.... just that a dex dock is NOT that, nor even a significant bump in that direction.
If we want to do some pie in the sky about the future- that's fun & I'm with you, but I'm not going to pretend "zomg, the future is NOW with these Samsung dex docs!".
While the Galaxy S8 is a very distinctive-looking and potentially awesome phone, let's just hope Samsung has followed through with its promises to ensure battery safety.
Exactly. To reiterate what you said, the unit sales will go up, not in the premium category, but in low end phones, which is where Samsung wins, but still loses on profit margins. Samsung in the premium category has not been able to compete with Apple in unit sales and margins. They are trying hard, but it's becoming harder to make a dent.The entire smartphone market is already slowing down. Smartphone sales in 2016 were only 3.3% bigger than in 2015. (1.48 billion vs 1.40 billion)
There will be lots of growing and shrinking within the smartphone market. Good lord... there are hundreds of smartphone OEMs.
But a slowing smartphone market doesn't necessarily mean bad news for Apple. Most people on Earth do NOT own an iPhone at the moment. So there's a chance those people could own an iPhone someday. Who knows.
And what do you consider a "major drop" in iPhone sales? Apple is already selling over 200 million smartphones a year. Even if that number dipped a little... or a lot... most companies would still love to have that number.
Let's remember the last time HTC sold 200 million units in a year. Oh... that was never.
Smartphone innovation has had its run, its not mostly incremental improvements or gimmicks, for Apple and other manufacturers. OS and the hardware are mature, groundbreaking innovation is hard to come.
My prediction is that Bixby could bring a paradigm shift in voice, if Same-song doesn't fudge it up. History is littered with innovations that were killed because after acquisition, the larger company didn't know how to integrate it in their products. I don't have a lot of confidence in Samsung's software competence.
See S curve, we are now at the top of the S curve. Innovation, is mostly flat. It's like the PCs, for example, when does a shape/form factor change of a laptop factor into buying/replacing decision, almost never. Apple, Samsung and Google can milk this cow only for so long.
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Again... Did I mention Android phones running Windows? NO. I don't know where you're getting this from..
The only tie to Android is Samsung releasing the DeX and having a stab - no matter how small at trying something different.
I'll state this again.. I like the thought of that. I'd like to see where it goes and personally I'd like a device more powerful than a MacBook Pro that could fit into my pocket, plug into a USB-C hub and become my desktop computer.
At the moment I have a Surface Book that has replaced my laptop, tablet, wacom and desktop. Tech is pretty bloody incredible.
I agree with you that there is saturation. But there is also room for innovation. I think a lot of us will use the smartphone connected to the screen like Samsung and Microsoft are showing. For checking email, surfing the internet, writing in teksteditors, photo's and all casual things it's a very neat solution. In 5 years our mobile phones have the power of an iMac today (not that that is a very hard thing to do).
I really hope Apple wil enlighten us with new possibilities in iOS 11 for this... because, let's be honest, they haven't been doing a lot except milking out concepts the last four years.