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Samsung Unveils Galaxy S8 and S8+ With Iris and Facial Recognition, No Home Button

I guess I am the only one who doesn't see the fingerprint scanner on the back as a definite negative? I'm all for getting it out of the way on the front when you are also able to use facial or iris identification for less secure access. The one thing I have been concerned about with all the speculation/rumors about IPhone 8 design is the idea of a virtual bezel with virtual FP scanner on the front screen of new design which would possibly indicate a usable screen of only 5.1 inches on a 5.8 screen. I have a 6s Plus and will not go backwards to usable space of only 5.1 inches. If I don't have to use the fingerprint scanner for easy access, only when I needed more secure access, why would it so detrimental to move it to the back? And what is the use of removing the bottom bezel with physical home button if you simply replace it with a virtual bezel that reduces usable screen size? Also, if you can buy this 64GB Samsung phone with all the bells and whistles at $725, how many people are going to spring for a new $1000+ iPhone with similar specs? I can definitely afford to spend that money but do I really need to? Do I want to also buy $1000+ phones for all my family members to keep us all in Apple World? We have moved past phone subsidies so it becomes a huge cash outlay for a family. Yes, I am very tied into the Apple ecosystem with my phone, iPad, and MacBook (we all are) which would mean a big adjustment, but I may just try it out. I'm disappointed with Apple's reduced commitment to Mac at this point anyway. Maybe it's time to try something else, fully aware I may be right back to Apple.

The one thing that would make this an easy decision is if Samsung ran pure Android and I knew I would get regular, timely system updates. That is the main thing holding me back from at least trying it out at this point.
 
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Tycho24 said:
Gotcha!
You're excited because you think in the near future, Android phones will run full Windows on external hardware.

Huh.

Bold prediction!
It would be interesting to see how licensing works for that, where on the 64gb SSDs that are standard on high-end Android phones that would fit, how much would the cost increase, how much more complexity this would add to typical corporate PC setups, new security issues that would arise, difficulty in switching phones, when one is also your full-fledged work PC as well, etc.
But thank you for envisioning this bold new future for us all (without thinking even for a second about how it could, or if it should occur).
Reminds me of the people that just blurt out: "iPad should run full macOS!", without thinking about what it would take to completely rewrite that OS to be touch based instead, and how it would ruin it for non-touchscreen users (see Windows 8).
They want "more PC-like features in iOS, on iPad", but instead call for "macOS on iPad", because they lack the imagination to conceive of a realistic way to get their desire.
The same is true of EITHER of these sentiments:
1) "Wow, I can run Android now without touch capabilities, but w/ keyboard & mouse as inputs! This is where corporate America is headed. People will be using gimped down Android, instead of full-fledged Windows, using dex docks soon"
2) "No... no. Of COURSE corporate America can't run on trimmed down Android. They have an entrenched ecosystem of expensive & secure networks w/ hardware and software systems that run on Windows.
Buuuut, I refuse to think dex docks still aren't the solution! I guess they'll just somehow still run what they need to run & do what they need to do, but somehow it will all be magically powered off my Android phone!"

Nobody is saying that a future where one device rules & all you need is different size screens in different places wouldn't be cool.... just that a dex dock is NOT that, nor even a significant bump in that direction.
If we want to do some pie in the sky about the future- that's fun & I'm with you, but I'm not going to pretend "zomg, the future is NOW with these Samsung dex docs!".
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the person your quoted is 100% right Samsung is working with Microsoft!

there last tablet is running Microsoft Windows and Microsoft is selling a Microsoft edition galaxy s8

Microsoft and Samsung have teamed up!they are going to have a Microsoft dedicated app system for the dex doc

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koigirl said:
I guess I am the only one who doesn't see the fingerprint scanner on the back as a definite negative? I'm all for getting it out of the way on the front when you are also able to use facial or iris identification for less secure access. The one thing I have been concerned about with all the speculation/rumors about IPhone 8 design is the idea of a virtual bezel with virtual FP scanner on the front screen of new design which would possibly indicate a usable screen of only 5.1 inches on a 5.8 screen. I have a 6s Plus and will not go backwards to usable space of only 5.1 inches. If I don't have to use the fingerprint scanner for easy access, only when I needed more secure access, why would it so detrimental to move it to the back? And what is the use of removing the bottom bezel with physical home button if you simply replace it with a virtual bezel that reduces usable screen size? Also, if you can buy this 64GB Samsung phone with all the bells and whistles at $725, how many people are going to spring for a new $1000+ iPhone with similar specs? I can definitely afford to spend that money but do I really need to? Do I want to also buy $1000+ phones for all my family members to keep us all in Apple World? We have moved past phone subsidies so it becomes a huge cash outlay for a family. Yes, I am very tied into the Apple ecosystem with my phone, iPad, and MacBook (we all are) which would mean a big adjustment, but I may just try it out. I'm disappointed with Apple's reduced commitment to Mac at this point anyway. Maybe it's time to try something else, fully aware I may be right back to Apple.

The one thing that would make this an easy decision is if Samsung ran pure Android and I knew I would get regular, timely system updates. That is the main thing holding me back from at least trying it out at this point.
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i put this question to you. Do you need a new phone? Do you need a new computer? Save your cash, don't fall for the marketing. If I can't convince you to save money, at least wait to see what the iPhone 8/7s offers. You might be pleasantly surprised.
 
HJM.NL said:
I agree with you that there is saturation. But there is also room for innovation. I think a lot of us will use the smartphone connected to the screen like Samsung and Microsoft are showing. For checking email, surfing the internet, writing in teksteditors, photo's and all casual things it's a very neat solution. In 5 years our mobile phones have the power of an iMac today (not that that is a very hard thing to do).

I really hope Apple wil enlighten us with new possibilities in iOS 11 for this... because, let's be honest, they haven't been doing a lot except milking out concepts the last four years.
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Using that logic they haven't done much except milk concepts since 2008. We can apply our own definition of "they haven't been doing a lot" to support a negative point of view.
 
koigirl said:
I guess I am the only one who doesn't see the fingerprint scanner on the back as a definite negative? I'm all for getting it out of the way on the front when you are also able to use facial or iris identification for less secure access. The one thing I have been concerned about with all the speculation/rumors about IPhone 8 design is the idea of a virtual bezel with virtual FP scanner on the front screen of new design which would possibly indicate a usable screen of only 5.1 inches on a 5.8 screen. I have a 6s Plus and will not go backwards to usable space of only 5.1 inches. If I don't have to use the fingerprint scanner for easy access, only when I needed more secure access, why would it so detrimental to move it to the back? And what is the use of removing the bottom bezel with physical home button if you simply replace it with a virtual bezel that reduces usable screen size? Also, if you can buy this 64GB Samsung phone with all the bells and whistles at $725, how many people are going to spring for a new $1000+ iPhone with similar specs? I can definitely afford to spend that money but do I really need to? Do I want to also buy $1000+ phones for all my family members to keep us all in Apple World? We have moved past phone subsidies so it becomes a huge cash outlay for a family. Yes, I am very tied into the Apple ecosystem with my phone, iPad, and MacBook (we all are) which would mean a big adjustment, but I may just try it out. I'm disappointed with Apple's reduced commitment to Mac at this point anyway. Maybe it's time to try something else, fully aware I may be right back to Apple.

The one thing that would make this an easy decision is if Samsung ran pure Android and I knew I would get regular, timely system updates. That is the main thing holding me back from at least trying it out at this point.
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That last point is very almost moot at this stage of android, more and more Google is updating a lot of key features via the play store etc.
 
grkm3 said:
the person your quoted is 100% right Samsung is working with Microsoft!

there last tablet is running Microsoft Windows and Microsoft is selling a Microsoft edition galaxy s8

Microsoft and Samsung have teamed up!they are going to have a Microsoft dedicated app system for the dex doc

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To be clear- that version is the exact same hardware & operating system; but adding a THIRD assistant (Cortana) alongside Google Assistant & Bixby- and some Office apps for Android; this has VERY little to do with the possibility of docking an Android phone & having it then boot up and run Windows.
 
Tycho24 said:
To be clear- that version is the exact same hardware & operating system; but adding a THIRD assistant (Cortana) alongside Google Assistant & Bixby- and some Office apps for Android; this has VERY little to do with the possibility of docking an Android phone & having it then boot up and run Windows.
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they are not going to boot up windows.microsoft is making full blown apps for ANDROID

this is the beginning of the dex docking where the industry is moving.this is like apple selling a galaxy s8.

Microsoft is selling an actual Android phone
 
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Gilligan's last elephant said:
It is that simple. And one can remove the icons from the home screens so they are never an issue. User is also free to select which apps are default apps as well. Am i correct in understanding that with iOS, the user cannot select Google Maps as their default maps app over Apple apps. Now that would be a painful user experience.
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It would be nice if Apple gave the choice but I can also see it diminishing the user experience too. Google Maps is more accurate for specific traffic situations and storefront searches. But Apple Maps is just a better app that looks nicer, less buggy and of course integrates with Siri and iOS. So even if they gave me the choice, I would go with Apple Maps but I do not represent everyone.
 
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wigby said:
It would be nice if Apple gave the choice but I can also see it diminishing the user experience too. Google Maps is more accurate for specific traffic situations and storefront searches. But Apple Maps is just a better app that looks nicer, less buggy and of course integrates with Siri and iOS. So even if they gave me the choice, I would go with Apple Maps but I do not represent everyone.
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How can choice diminish the user experience? If you prefer one app over the other, then YOU are free to choose YOUR default app. Not be dictated to what you are allowed to have as the default selection. I have seen other complaining about not having the choice.
 
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You've only had access to the Touch ID for 3 years. You have never used face recognition or iris scanning, so have no idea if it works better or worse than Touch ID. If Apple puts Touch ID on the back, it's most likely because they think face recognition/iris scanning will replace it, and they want to migrate users away from Touch ID. Be thankful Apple doesn't just drop it in that case like they did with the headphone jack. Touch ID is a single function piece of hardware that takes up valuable space on the phone, so the only reason to keep it is if there's not an equal to, or better way to do the same thing with something already on the phone. Apple will likely keep Touch ID for the iPhone 8, as a less convenient, transitional fail safe, but drop it for the iPhone 9, when Iris scanning and face recognition is perfected in the field. But there's absolutely no reason to keep it, nor make it more convenient for you, if there's something as good or better, just because you're used to using it. You'll get used to whatever Apple replaces it with. That's progress.

bxsonic said:
For the love of God, please Apple, DO NOT put the fingerprint sensor on the back. If so, I'm definitely not buying an iPhone 8. Do it right or don't do it at all :mad:
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bxsonic said:
I personally think that iris scanning would be great for added security, but not as an alternative to a fingerprint sensor. As you said, I think the fingerprint sensor works much better for authentication in apps.

Admittedly, the way I use my phone might be uncommon since I do spend quite a bit of time using it on my desk (propped up against my laptop or with its back flat on my desk). Having the fingerprint sensor on the back would be a major inconvenience for my use case. And for what purpose? Smaller bezels? Looking at my brother's S7E, the bezels on the S7E are small enough for me.

I'm just concerned that Apple without Steve Jobs around might opt to take the easy way out of this instead of getting it right, which is integrating the sensor into the screen. I hope the rumors are right. Fingers crossed. I would love to finally upgrade my iPhone 6+.
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I don't understand why people are so emotional over this. SMH.
I work in technology and this hardware is all commodity. Apple gets screens from Samsung, etc They buy cameras from, Sony, memory from Toshiba or Hynix, etc.... The list goes on. Samsung is no different. Apple designs their own processor (sort of). It conforms to the ARM instruction set and Samsung and TSMC manufacture it.

The value add is mostly in software and industrial design. If I describe the phone in terms of screen resolution, type, processor type and memory capacity, etc. You would be hard pressed to tell me what phone is made by which manufacturer.

Buy what you like. Apple isn't going anywhere and neither is Android.
The wars are over. Microsoft and Blackberry and everything else lost to the 1100 and 1200 pound gorillas that are Apple and Google. This is a multi billion dollar market with room for two operating systems and at least 5 or six major manufacturers.

Can we get back to discussing who stole what from who? :)
 
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To be clear- that version is the exact same hardware & operating system; but adding a THIRD assistant (Cortana) alongside Google Assistant & Bixby- and some Office apps for Android; this has VERY little to do with the possibility of docking an Android phone & having it then boot up and run Windows.
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Galaxy S8 runs Windows. Yes. Watch from 2:40
 
I7guy said:
Using that logic they haven't done much except milk concepts since 2008. We can apply our own definition of "they haven't been doing a lot" to support a negative point of view.
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Well at least Samsung made a big step forward in hardware last year with the S7 edge and this year again... By the time the iPhone 8 comes out we probably all have the feeling of seen that, lol. If you're stating that Apple did a lot the last four years you're a complete liar.
 
HJM.NL said:
Well at least Samsung made a big step forward in hardware last year with the S7 edge and this year again... By the time the iPhone 8 comes out we probably all have the feeling of seen that, lol. If you're stating that Apple did a lot the last four years you're a complete liar.
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You're entitled to your opinion of Samsung hardware, Wasnt this huge step forward as you claim.

As far as the labels, pot kettle thing.:rolleyes:
 
Gilligan's last elephant said:
How can choice diminish the user experience? If you prefer one app over the other, then YOU are free to choose YOUR default app. Not be dictated to what you are allowed to have as the default selection. I have seen other complaining about not having the choice.
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Can you set google maps as a default so anytime you click an address it opens google maps and not Apple maps?
 
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looks like the note 8 will be pushing towards corporate users with its dex docking.giving people access to there works local desktop on the go is huge.no need for a laptop,you just plug in and log on and you have your powerful work computer logged Infront of you.

good timing with gigabit LTE connection also.tgis is inovation people.being able to run a full virtual windows experience through your phone.

just log into your company's account and you are working on the go.
 
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chagla said:
Galaxy S8 runs Windows. Yes. Watch from 2:40
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Lol, why don't YOU watch it again, from 2:40... have Google handy for those words like "Citrix", "Virtual Machine, on a data center", and all the other phrases directly explaining that the Samsung S8 does NOT run Windows.

You know that for YEARS you've been able to control your Mac or PC w/ your iPad & view that screen remotely, yeah?
Viewing a remote computer does NOT equal running that remote computer's OS natively, and- although handy, in a pinch, is not the short-term future for PC replacement (with Galaxy smartphones) in corporate America, for many reasons. Not the least of which; the ability to control some limited apps, running remotely on a different machine, doesn't allow your Android phone to load the Windows drivers to interact with all the peripherals at your office, for example.
Look.... I'm in IT. I know what's possible & what's plausible.
I've seen/used/evaluated this EXACT product by Motorola some years back. It does not represent a viable solution for removing all, most, many, or even "an amount to mention" full-blown Windows PCs from business networks.
If PCs had these EXTREMELY low needs (no Windows Server management, no peripheral use, no custom/industry Windows apps, etc.) they could already be having those employees use Chromebooks, or simply just their phones WITHOUT the added expense of a fancy expensive dock to allow them to use keyboard/mouse inputs on their phone.
To be clear: I want what you want!!!
One device to rule them all- dumb screens everywhere to display MY content from that one device.
I'm just saying- that's a FUTURE goal. This dex dock is NOT it, it is just barely, barely, barely a step in a similar direction.
 
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the Microsoft edition will run office and word along with Outlook mail servers.

docking the gs8 will allow people to use word and office on the go. I can see students using this alot!

they also added drivers for CD-ROM support to be used on the gs8! so u can plug in a USBC drive into the doc
 
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thekeyring said:
The iMac didn't revolutionise the PC market - the Mac did long before it though.

Maybe the Watch would be considered more disruptive if we saw actual sales figures. I see it on wrists every day, and suddenly fashion Watch companies like Michael Kores have decided to come out with Android Wear smart watches. Not sure what else you'd like? Their main competitor on the wrists of people - Fitbit - is 'in trouble' according to recent sales numbers.

I don't buy that it was an accounting decision that has left the Mac Pro without updates. In fact, this line of thinking from you really makes it sound like you've abandoned logic.

What did Pro customers ask for in 2013? An updated Mac Pro tower. Apple could have swapped out processors, updated the IO and maybe made SSDs default. Happy customers + happy accountants.

Instead, they redesigned the entire machine, and opened a manufacturing plant in the US to build it. Now you're saying it doesn't even warrant Apple updating the processors?
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Every decision that Apple has made since Steve passed was made under an Accountant.

If you were not aware, they made their accountant into their CEO.

Their Accountant king decided that it was time to:

Stick it to their pro user community in software
Stick it to their pro user community in hardware
Not invent a world-changing wearable ecosystem
Not invent a world-changing vehicle
Not invent a world-changing home automation ecosystem
Not invent a world-changing health data ecosystem​

Instead, decided to keep all the money in the bank and collect (until recently) his hefty bonuses.

He only allowed spending on the tweaking and incremental improvement of the old Steve-era ideas.

My thesis is that milking old ideas without coming up with ones is a great strategy...right up until it isn't. And by the time it isn't, it's too late.

Dirtfarmer

PS you are literally the only person in the world who thinks that the iMac was not revolutionary.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=imac...&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=PY7eWLrIMMaYjwPV3rmACg
 
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