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Well played samsung. After the debacle of the previous model with the fuego, you have come back making an impression with new marketing/advertising showing you check all the phones (maybe / maybe not) and have beat apple to the punch in new seamless (no home button) hardware innovating the unlocking of a phone with facial recognition. I'm surprised apple hasn't decided you are competition yet and not come out with a more advanced model with innovation. I like my old macbook pro (13"retina & iphone 6s) but will be holding out for a while as the innovation direction they have been moving toward is just the removal of parts we all have been using... perfect example, the NEW Macbook pro why does it still have a headphone jack if it's been removed from the phone, where is your bravery on this product as that was your statement for removing from the phone at the same time.... cohesion no? I am unsure why the products you currently have seem stagnant in design and innovation. With a ton of money waiting to be spent to keep it running, there doesn't seem to be much going on. You made a red phone... wow. It took you nearly ten phones to finally put a camera worth shooting night photos, when Nokia (Lumnia 1020)had a forty-one megapixel camera ages/years ago. Best of luck Samsung, seems like they're all sleeping at Apple.

If you're as passionate about people reading what you have to say as you are at writing it, please would you format your text legibly, thank you.
 
"Oh, they said you were i-Class, but that was just a lie..."

Actually, no. That looks like a really nice phone. Not for me, as the screen/size is too big for my hands, but nice design & specs.
Nearly identical with iPhone 7 in width. It appears less than 1mm difference there.

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It's a fluke - but why put up with it? They will fix this
No, they won't. According to them, it's not broken. That's why I mentioned that tech support was astonishingly indifferent. The rep literally shrugged his shoulders. The ONLY reason I kept it was for the Gear VR. I ditched it as a phone in favor of the iPhone 7 as soon as I could afford to do so. Oh, the mentioning of my age was meant to imply I've owned a lot of tech over the years.
 
Your rant is frankly absurd. The "desktop" metaphor is going the way of the dodo bird. With a Virtual Desktop (VDI) infrastructure companies can just hand out phones and give a Citrix, Terminal Services, or VmWare Horizon client and be done with it. All data stays within the host server and those desktops can be secure as you want them to be. Since they are most likely virtualized TCO is quite low especially when you factor you are already providing them a smartphone. With a dock like DeX with keyboard, mouse, and monitor support this becomes a great idea to pilot or implement.

We also don't know the DeX's capabilities - it may very well support future phones (GS9) as it uses USB-C as the connector and just needs to have space.

Many companies are doing VDI either in pilot or in production.

EDIT: Oh Wait, Samsung has been working with VDI partners to make this viable for business. And at $149 is certainly an interesting preposition for businesses.


Me thinks you are the one that needs to get out of Denial. IT is rapidly changing and the old way of thinking is quickly getting shown the door.

yes, Cannot stress this enough. with bandwidth being what it is in most enterprise / business these days, A handheld device easily has enough power to also be a workstation for a user.

Using any sort of remote desktop services could allow a simple phone to be a full terminal, if it accepted a keyboard, mouse and could output to another display. Heck, an iPad isn't bad for this. (we wonce had to RDP to a client site while sitting at a corporate lunch, over cellular, worked well)

is this a solution for everyone? probably not. But for a business that has a lot of out of office, frequent travellers (like sales people), it's far cheaper to provide them a mobile device that can stand in for a computer with the right cheap accessories, than to provide both mobile device and laptop.

just thinking you could probably easily achieve this with a Galaxy phone already, a bluetooth mouse and keyboard, and a chromecast.
 
As of right now, no, but it the future, they will be a force with their smartphones. No one thought that Blackberry would ever lose to Apple.

Apple fundamentally made the Blackberry obsolete. What magic, groundbreaking, transformative Google concept will obsolete the iPhone?
 
Apple fundamentally made the Blackberry obsolete. What magic, groundbreaking, transformative Google concept will obsolete the iPhone?
Apple will not be as clueless. A pure android system on an android phone is not to be taken lightly.
 
I continue to chortle at how people in general MASSIVELY miss the point when being led down the simpleton path of comparing spec bullet points. Apple make an EXPERIENCE you WANT to use because it saves you time, effort and hassle, and you can't replicate that on another platform, merely by spouting "Bbbbut your CPU hasn't reached X gigaflops; ours has, and we have more RAMs etcz..."

Failure to comprehend: ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!


Ah, the restrictive, simplistically minded containment and overall bland simple-mindedness of the hive minded internets, where everyone spouts the same "truths" they take on blind faith from everyone else who happens to have "opinions" aligned with theirs, formed from mass acceptance and socially accepted assumptions, rarely on HARD evidence and common sense, never mind subtle, quiet intuition based upon the unspoken inevitability of how scenarios are seen to repeatedly pan out, and repeatedly make the same stupid mistakes (which the masses either COMPLETELY fail to comprehend or sense, or are too proud to admit to) which very few people seem to have.

It doesn't matter a HOOT whether X, Y or Z person "agrees" with you, what matters are simple, logical and elegant truths - specs and the focus shift ONTO them, is why Android will ALWAYS be a follower, never a leader. Yes, Android enables decent enough handsets to be produced, but they are never EVER the gold standard - exampled of gold standard, industry shifting mobile handsets and platforms:

1: Nokia 3310

2: BlackBerry

3: iPhone


That's IT.
That’s bollocks. You’ve lapped up the marketing. Hook, line, sinker, waders, tacklebox………
 
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Design and make a manufacture a pair of wireless headphones that are as good as the Airpods and get back to me.
I talk about expenses for buying new headphones (which only integrate nicely into the Apple-verse). Also why should I design wireless earphones ? I think my initial statement made it quite clear I prefer a headphone jack. Your statement has limited logic at best.
 
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And exactly where can we find those 5G networks?
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Is that the Bill Bixby assistant that tries to become the Incredible Hulk?
It’s in the same place Wireless N was when Apple introduced that draft standard on their devices.
 
I continue to chortle at how people in general MASSIVELY miss the point when being led down the simpleton path of comparing spec bullet points. Apple make an EXPERIENCE you WANT to use because it saves you time, effort and hassle, and you can't replicate that on another platform, merely by spouting "Bbbbut your CPU hasn't reached X gigaflops; ours has, and we have more RAMs etcz..."

Failure to comprehend: ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!


Ah, the restrictive, simplistically minded containment and overall bland simple-mindedness of the hive minded internets, where everyone spouts the same "truths" they take on blind faith from everyone else who happens to have "opinions" aligned with theirs, formed from mass acceptance and socially accepted assumptions, rarely on HARD evidence and common sense, never mind subtle, quiet intuition based upon the unspoken inevitability of how scenarios are seen to repeatedly pan out, and repeatedly make the same stupid mistakes (which the masses either COMPLETELY fail to comprehend or sense, or are too proud to admit to) which very few people seem to have.

It doesn't matter a HOOT whether X, Y or Z person "agrees" with you, what matters are simple, logical and elegant truths - specs and the focus shift ONTO them, is why Android will ALWAYS be a follower, never a leader. Yes, Android enables decent enough handsets to be produced, but they are never EVER the gold standard - exampled of gold standard, industry shifting mobile handsets and platforms:

1: Nokia 3310

2: BlackBerry

3: iPhone


That's IT.

There is also a lot of people who cannot compute nor comprehend the concept that for some people android is a superior OS. Not everyone wants a locked down non customisable operating system. Gold standard for some garbage for others .

And as a iPad Pro owner....laptop replacement my ass! Awesome hardware crippled by the same iOS . Downloading a PDF to sign was a massive pain in the ass just yesterday ...no it was not attached to an email.

Hardware is not even the issue.

Also 3310 was late In the game.

Nokia 5110 was the first phone that the general public could afford , it was the entry into "mobile" and the Motorola StarTAC was the phone we wanted .

That lead to the 3310, one of the most legendary phones ever produced .
 
Verizon announced it's testing 5G in 11 markets mid-2017. I'm sure the other carriers are right behind.
Testing is a whole lot different than reality. So we are talking another year or 2 at the earliest for a few markets. Guess what, many other phones will be 5G ready in a few years. It's totally meaningless with the S8 as of now.
 
For the love of God, please Apple, DO NOT put the fingerprint sensor on the back. If so, I'm definitely not buying an iPhone 8. Do it right or don't do it at all :mad:
The fingerprint sensor is in an awkward place for sure. However I think that's negated by the fact that it also has iris scanning and facial recognition to unlock the phone and both are very accurate and fast. The Samsung fingerprint scanner wasn't all that reliable when I used it on the S7E and not many apps that I used on android supported it.

On the iPhone it's a complete different kettle of fish because it works really well a lot of my apps including it banking apps use the fingerprint scanner so I'd not be happy if Apple put it on the back. The rumours are saying it will be integrated into the screen which should be awesome.
 
People are passionate here, but, the smartphone market is saturated, pass its peak. Both Samsung & Apple, in the premium category are in for a shocking reality.

Look around, almost everybody has a smartphone, and they're good enough to last 3-4-5 years... It's no longer a novelty "must have" latest-greatest.

Wouldn't be surprised, if there's a major drop in sales in 2017... coinciding with the opening of Apple new headquarters, built on the success of the iPhone.
 
Just putting in my position - I have an S7 and think the S8 looks gorgeous... from the front.

The back of it doesn't work. It's not as beautiful and rounded.

i don't like the fingerprint sensor on the back and don't really like Samsung's version of Android. I also don't like that a lot of features only work with Samsung apps (I suspect a lot of Bixby's AI will involve Samsung's apps, so I suspect it won't be able to send a text using Whats App or search using Chrome).

I'll be giving this a miss I suspect. I might try Google's next Pixel phone.
 
The fingerprint sensor is in an awkward place for sure. However I think that's negated by the fact that it also has iris scanning and facial recognition to unlock the phone and both are very accurate and fast. The Samsung fingerprint scanner wasn't all that reliable when I used it on the S7E and not many apps that I used on android supported it.

On the iPhone it's a complete different kettle of fish because it works really well a lot of my apps including it banking apps use the fingerprint scanner so I'd not be happy if Apple put it on the back. The rumours are saying it will be integrated into the screen which should be awesome.

I personally think that iris scanning would be great for added security, but not as an alternative to a fingerprint sensor. As you said, I think the fingerprint sensor works much better for authentication in apps.

Admittedly, the way I use my phone might be uncommon since I do spend quite a bit of time using it on my desk (propped up against my laptop or with its back flat on my desk). Having the fingerprint sensor on the back would be a major inconvenience for my use case. And for what purpose? Smaller bezels? Looking at my brother's S7E, the bezels on the S7E are small enough for me.

I'm just concerned that Apple without Steve Jobs around might opt to take the easy way out of this instead of getting it right, which is integrating the sensor into the screen. I hope the rumors are right. Fingers crossed. I would love to finally upgrade my iPhone 6+.
 
"Please realize that I'm right and you're wrong, and then change your opinion accordingly."

Sure. No problem.

Look, I'm just saying that Samsung takes/has taken its design direction from Apple (and, historically, others) and the fact that they jumped in with their full-bezel, buttonless, face-recognizing, candy bar smartphone just before Apple did doesn't mean they didn't copy anything.
/silly fanboyism in the alternative universe

Samsung's curved, bezeless, all-screen front display ambition has been brewing for a long time, first fruit of which was this monstrosity. (circa 2014) That was before iPhone 6 came out, when the iPhone 5S/5C was still the contemporary Apple's best.

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And surely you are aware that Samsung is the only manufacturer who has not given up on OLED for smartphones, and pushed the tech every year while LCD tech has been stagnant for ages? Without Samsung's innovation we wouldn't have an OLED iPhone. And without OLED there is no curved display. I hate to break this to you but in this case the one who is copying is Apple, not Samsung, for a simple reason that Apple does not have the technology for Samsung to copy.

I love Apple products' finesse, but people need to pull their head out of sand and give credit where its due.
 
I personally think that iris scanning would be great for added security, but not as an alternative to a fingerprint sensor. As you said, I think the fingerprint sensor works much better for authentication in apps.

Admittedly, the way I use my phone might be uncommon since I do spend quite a bit of time using it on my desk (propped up against my laptop or with its back flat on my desk). Having the fingerprint sensor on the back would be a major inconvenience for my use case. And for what purpose? Smaller bezels? Looking at my brother's S7E, the bezels on the S7E are small enough for me.

There are three parts to S8's multi-factor authentication which are face unlock, iris scanning and fingerprint. I get the impression that hands-free face unlock and iris scanning are used to unlock the device so there's no need to touch the phone. For functions that require a higher level of security requiring all three parts of MFA the fingerprint scanner on the back is more ergonomic than on the front. I always feel like I'm about to drop the phone when using a front fingerprint scanner.
 
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