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I am not a gamer. I am an adult.
the only 3 reasons why I switched to the iPhone 2012 instead of the Note was:

iP5 = optimum form factor (=didn´t want more than 4" screen)
apple Eco-system: easy to synchronize.

But I dream until today to have also the possibility to draw something for explaining something to people, to have a upgradable AND easy-to-swap-in Memory and the more customizable surface of Android and WinPhone. Aside from the (still) better phone-performance of the Samsung…

I am satisfied with the iP5 - I´d be as well with the Samsung - but I cannot stand people like MaxIT who claim Samsung building "Cheap Crap" Phones… that´s just ridiculous.
"Crap"? I call 95% of the "features" of nowadays Smartphones crap. Like the totally ridiculous "nightShift" function of the upcoming apple-products. If this is one of the most important future features…. good night, apple.

But since Jony Ive is out of Steve jobs control (2011) - superficial pseudo-"innovation" and blah-blah-marketing replaced sophisticated engineering.
Sad enough that millions of people are "believers" in apple marketing legends… I feel like in an Orwell novel…

As for High-tech and INNOVATION:

have a look at the new Huawei Mate S - amazing…. force touch, waterproof, some really good features (for those who need them), shurely more relevant than "nightShift"…. AND good design….

So - apple ail get more and more under pressure. not only samsung, even chinese labels like Huawei are now on top-level.
 
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Really? You honestly think they invented this stuff. .. wow.. im gob smacked. ...

Yes, in the sense that these things are not in production for other cellphones. They may have been working with others, but that fine. Do you think Apple's thousands of engineers just sit around doing nothing all day and all the equipment in their labs is just there for show?
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As usual, Apple didn't invent any of the basic ideas, but refined them. Or in the case of the secure enclave, just publicized something that no one else thought was worth making a big deal over. (Apple is a pro at taking something other devices have had for years, and making it sound new and magical.)
  • They bought the TouchID sensor supplier.
  • They did create their own version of 3D Touch, apparently partly due to Corning creating a flexible glass.
  • As for the secure enclave, that's an known CPU concept. Heck, Samsung first implemented a secure enclave in their Exynos chips, starting back in 2012 with the Galaxy S3. It's used to help secure their NSA derived Knox kernel. Apple's came later.

My point was in response to the idea that Apple allegedly just goes to the "Cellphone Component Store" picks a bunch of parts out and then asks Foxcon to glue them all together. That is not what Apple is doing. Sure they may acquire small entities with products in various stages of development. But as you say Apple refines them. It isn't just a process where Apple sources whatever components happen to be available and then designs a phone around them. Apple is doing engineering work that is part of the process of creating an iPhone and their other products.
 
Yes, in the sense that these things are not in production for other cellphones. They may have been working with others, but that fine. Do you think Apple's thousands of engineers just sit around doing nothing all day and all the equipment in their labs is just there for show?
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My point was in response to the idea that Apple allegedly just goes to the "Cellphone Component Store" picks a bunch of parts out and then asks Foxcon to glue them all together. That is not what Apple is doing. Sure they may acquire small entities with products in various stages of development. But as you say Apple refines them. It isn't just a process where Apple sources whatever components happen to be available and then designs a phone around them. Apple is doing engineering work that is part of the process of creating an iPhone and their other products.
I guess the TPM is a trusted enclave. Apple started deploying it according to this article in 2006. So it's not knew to them...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
 
I want to make it readable again for everyone to show that MaxIT is totally wrong claiming Samsung would "produce crappy phones" as their "only specialty" (interesting that this is NOT rated as trolling)

here the cited review:

--->> http://www.itpro.co.uk/mobile/23074/iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-which-is-better



final word of the cited review:

Article: "iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-which-is-better?"

"Whilst the Note 4 isn't cheap, it’s considerably better value. It’s got a fantastic display, long battery life, micro SD support and strong performance. Unless you absolutely hate the TouchWiz interface, we'd recommend the Note 4."
 
I want to make it readable again for everyone to show that MaxIT is totally wrong claiming Samsung would "produce crappy phones" as their "only specialty" (interesting that this is NOT rated as trolling)

here the cited review:

--->> http://www.itpro.co.uk/mobile/23074/iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-which-is-better



final word of the cited review:

Article: "iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-which-is-better?"

"Whilst the Note 4 isn't cheap, it’s considerably better value. It’s got a fantastic display, long battery life, micro SD support and strong performance. Unless you absolutely hate the TouchWiz interface, we'd recommend the Note 4."
interesting .... A review from one year ago, with NOT A SINGLE OBJECTIVE TEST included, stating that, according to the reviewer "tastes", the Note 4 is better.
I'm impressed.
Very comparable with a detailed Anadtech review.

I stand my position: according to my experience Samsung is totally unable to produce valuable smartphones.
 
Wow, interesting .... A review from one year ago, with NOT A SINGLE OBJECTIVE TEST included, stating that, according to the reviewer "tastes", the Note 4 is better.
I'm impressed.
Very comparable with a detailed Anadtech review.

Better screen (OLED) is not objective?
Longer Battery live is not objective?
upgradable Memory (SD Card) is not objective?
more connectivity is not objective?

All this is just a "just subjective "taste" ?

OMG….
 
Better screen (OLED) is not objective?
Longer Battery live is not objective?
upgradable Memory (SD Card) is not objective?
more connectivity is not objective?

All this is just a "just subjective "taste" ?

OMG….
Yes, nothing is objective if you don't demonstrate it:

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look at this: I just demonstrated battery life IS NOT better.

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and here I just demonstrated the display isn't better just because "it's OLED".
 
I guess the TPM is a trusted enclave. Apple started deploying it according to this article in 2006. So it's not knew to them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

No sir, they're not even close to the same thing at all.

And Apple never used the chip that was on one of their motherboards for a short while.

My point was in response to the idea that Apple allegedly just goes to the "Cellphone Component Store" picks a bunch of parts out and then asks Foxcon to glue them all together. That is not what Apple is doing. Sure they may acquire small entities with products in various stages of development. But as you say Apple refines them. It isn't just a process where Apple sources whatever components happen to be available and then designs a phone around them. Apple is doing engineering work that is part of the process of creating an iPhone and their other products.

Ah, then I agree. I thought you meant that Apple was coming up with totally new ideas, which is rare and difficult for anyone these days.

But there's plenty of older ideas that have had to wait for the right technology / price point, and Apple's forte is picking those out and marketing them as if they were brand new.
 
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As for me and many customers of any brand of smartphones:
I do not run benchmark-tests on smartphones, I do not surf 11 hours in the internet on a smartphone (For that I got several computers, iPad) …

I need in first place a best-performing PHONE
I need a absolutely stable OS with as little bugs/inv´convenience as possible - NOT: new buggy OS every year..
I need best connectivity
I need best battery life
I need upgradability /versability (for example Sd-Card slot, second SIM-Card slot: pro/private number)
I need apps FOR REAL LIFE USE: top-calendar, top-Contact-app, ..
I need the less glaring screen still readable in the sun (OLED far better than others)
I need high reliability
I need good and easy synchronizing features
I need customizable "desk/home-screen" (Best=windowsPhone)

I don´t need games and other rather adolescent "apps"
I don´t need a too much closed "Eco-System" taking customers more and more for slaves
I don´t need such ridiculous "apps" like "NighShift" and other bs.

For me, my two iP5 are still good working COMPROMISE for my needs, not perfect at all. But I can live with them. I am not happy, but satisfied. But I miss some things everyday in real life (see above) that really matters..
I don´t claim either of the top-smartphones to be perfect (like you do) or being "crap" (like you do) - just because they are produced by one brand or another.

I don´t like exaggerated "Brand-loyality" for what kind of brand whatsoever.
I don´t want to feel like discussion with someone extremist, be it politics or fan of a brand.

I just want to discuss in an intelligent and openminded way for enriching exchange of opinion for wider mental horizionts. Everybody could take intellectual profit in doing this...

Evidently this is not always possible. Sad, but reality.
 
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As for me and many customers of any brand of smartphones:
I do not run benchmark-tests on smartphones, I do not surf 11 hours in the internet on a smartphone (For that I got several computers, iPad) …

I need in first place a best-performing PHONE
I need best connectivity
I need best battery life
I need upgradability /versability (for example Sd-Card slot, second SIM-Card slot: pro/private number)
I need apps FOR REAL LIFE USE: top-calendar, top-Contact-app, ..
I need the less glaring screen still readable in the sun (OLED far better than others)
I need high reliability
I need good and easy synchronizing features
I need customizable "desk/home-screen" (Best=windowsPhone)

I don´t need games and other rather adolescent "apps"
I don´t need a too much closed "Eco-System" taking customers more and more for slaves
I don´t need such ridiculous "apps" like "NighShift" and other bs.

For me, my two iP5 are still good working COMPROMISE for my needs, not perfect at all. But I can live with them. I am not happy, but satisfied. But I miss some things everyday in real life (see above) that really matters..
I don´t claim either of the top-smartphones to be perfect (like you do) or being "crap" (like you do) - just because they are produced by one brand or another.

I don´t like exaggerated "Brand-loyality" for what kind of brand whatsoever.
I don´t want to feel like discussion with someone extremist, be it politics or fan of a brand.

I just want to discuss in an intelligent and openminded way for exchange.

Evidently this is not always possible. Sad, but reality.

So you're saying you just use the device that works best for you and your use case and you think everyone should do the same? Seems that way too many feel otherwise lol
 
As for me and many customers of any brand of smartphones:
I do not run benchmark-tests on smartphones, I do not surf 11 hours in the internet on a smartphone (For that I got several computers, iPad) …

I need in first place a best-performing PHONE
I need best connectivity
I need best battery life
I need upgradability /versability (for example Sd-Card slot, second SIM-Card slot: pro/private number)
I need apps FOR REAL LIFE USE: top-calendar, top-Contact-app, ..
I need the less glaring screen still readable in the sun (OLED far better than others)
I need high reliability
I need good and easy synchronizing features
I need customizable "desk/home-screen" (Best=windowsPhone)

I don´t need games and other rather adolescent "apps"
I don´t need a too much closed "Eco-System" taking customers more and more for slaves
I don´t need such ridiculous "apps" like "NighShift" and other bs.

For me, my two iP5 are still good working COMPROMISE for my needs, not perfect at all. But I can live with them. I am not happy, but satisfied. But I miss some things everyday in real life (see above) that really matters..
I don´t claim either of the top-smartphones to be perfect (like you do) or being "crap" (like you do) - just because they are produced by one brand or another.

I don´t like exaggerated "Brand-loyality" for what kind of brand whatsoever.
I don´t want to feel like discussion with someone extremist, be it politics or fan of a brand.

I just want to discuss in an intelligent and openminded way for exchange.

Evidently this is not always possible. Sad, but reality.
Quite a lot of I ... I ... I ... well, Im not you.
I have different needs and tastes.
So far Apple fulfilled it.

This is an Apple centric website (mostly ... :rolleyes:), do you feel strange that there are some happy customers among the bashers ? :D
 
Quite a lot of I ... I ... I ... well, Im not you.
I have different needs and tastes.
So far Apple fulfilled it.

This is an Apple centric website (mostly ... :rolleyes:), do you feel strange that there are some happy customers among the bashers ? :D

I do have to agree with this, there are going to be a lot of happy Apple customers on this site. I'm also one of these customers, i own a Mac, iPad Pro, iPhone 6 Plus and the Apple Watch and i'm happy with all of those products. An example of this is my Macbook Pro which i have used since 2011 and it still works, personally i believe Apple makes brilliant products that last and are far less buggy, that is my personal experience but other people may disagree.
 
No sir, they're not even close to the same thing at all.

And Apple never used the chip that was on one of their motherboards for a short while.



Ah, then I agree. I thought you meant that Apple was coming up with totally new ideas, which is rare and difficult for anyone these days.

But there's plenty of older ideas that have had to wait for the right technology / price point, and Apple's forte is picking those out and marketing them as if they were brand new.
Why do you not say they aren't even close?
 
Some people are such fanboys and will argue over ANYTHING... logic, reason or justification is simply not needed by these people.
It's ok not to defend apple or their products and still like or buy them. It's not an underground cult, but sadly for some..

And so what if samsung sell more or even make better (which is subjective) phones... it really doesnt matter that much!
 
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Quite a lot of I ... I ... I ... well, Im not you.
I have different needs and tastes.
So far Apple fulfilled it.

This is an Apple centric website (mostly ... :rolleyes:), do you feel strange that there are some happy customers among the bashers ? :D

You presented again your BIG PROBLEM in discussions:

I am a most times "happy" apple customer.
But I am very disappointed regarding more and more trends of "nowadays apple" - just like more and more other customers are disappointed as well.

you name me and other adults presenting CLEAR ARGUMENTS for criticizing apple and apple products "apple bashers" and you try to get rid of these adults by saying "love or leave it" - THIS is NOT the adult way to discuss and exchange arguments.

well-presented arguments criticizing your beloved brand means "blasphemy" for you. I don´t like people with intolerant extremist attitude always trying to cut down freedom of speech for persons with other opinions/angle of view.

I am used to work in an scientific ambience. Dogmatic people are rare in science.
You want to make us leave the forum? Luckily you are not more than a simple user - like me and all others as well.

BTW: I´d talk in the same way with other "brand-loyalty extremists/fundamentalists/orthodox" of other brands (like samsung or others) who want to offend everyone who does´t believe 1000%in their god (=brand). And feel to be happy and go on with their crusades...

Fundamentalism and Extremism ALWAYS lead right into catastrophes and sort of war.

Man - it´s just a phone, something to help yourself in communication and self-organisation, you know?
It´s not a reliquie and apple is not a religion, did you know?
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Some people are such fanboys and will argue over ANYTHING... logic, reason or justification is simply not needed.
Its ok not to defend apple or their products and still like or buy them. It's not a an underground cult, but sadly for some..

And so what if samsung sell more or even make better (which is subjective) phones... it really doesnt matter that much!

1000% agree.
 
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You presented again your BIG PROBLEM in discussions:

I am a most times "happy" apple customer.
But I am very disappointed regarding more and more trends of "nowadays apple" as more and more other customers as well.

you name me and other adults presenting CLEAR ARGUMENTS for criticizing apple and apple products "apple bashers" and try to get rid of these adults by saying "love or leave it" is NOT the adult way to discuss and exchange arguments.

well-presented arguments criticizing your believed brand means "blasphemy" for you. I don´t like people with intolerant extremist attitude always trying to cut down freedom of speech for persons with other opinions/angle of view.

I am used to work in an scientific ambience. Dogmatic people are rare in science.
You want to make us leave the forum? Luckily you are not more than a simple user - like me and all others as well.

BTW: I´d talk in the same way with other "brand-loyalty extremists/fundamentalists/orthodox" of other brands (like samsung or others) who want to offend everyone who does´t believe 1000%in their god (=brand). And feel to be happy and go on with their crusades...

Fundamentalism and Extremism ALWAYS lead right into catastrophes and sort of war.

Man - it´s just a phone, something to help yourself in communication and self-porganisation, you know?
It´s not a reliquie and apple is not a religion, did you know?
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1000% agree.
I saw NO arguments at all.
I'm the one who posted links to objective tests.
I'm only seeing personal attacks and people cheering at "Apple fall" on this thread.... And when you go to an Apple centric forum to cheers over news like this, well, there is a well known definition for that...
 
I saw NO arguments at all.
I'm the one who posted links to objective tests.
I'm only seeing personal attacks and people cheering at "Apple fall" on this thread.... And when you go to an Apple centric forum to cheers over news like this, well, there is a well known definition for that...

LOL, yes, of course...
Thank you for pointing out again all your personal problems with culture of discussion in this forum.

of course, "Samsung produces nothing but crap" is damn perfect "arguments"… *ROTFL*

I will try to waste my time the least possible now (I confess it was a mistake hoping re-entering he discussion with you would convince you that "Djihad-type" point of view is not the best way to enter discussions… but I am not alone many others are going desperate as well...)

Must be very comfortable in your "Black and white" world without any enriching grey tones….
[doublepost=1454515443][/doublepost]Just as an example how tolerant and positive ADULT APPLE Customers are able to discuss fascinating products of competitors (YES, they are discussing the upcomingSamsung S7 in a very friendly and open-minded way!!) - as long as there is absence of crazy crusading Brand-Djihadists...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/galaxy-s7.1944292/page-16
 
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And so what if [xxx] sell more or even make better (which is subjective) phones... it really doesnt matter that much!

It's because of all the testosterone on the internet ;)

Inexperienced males usually group into tribes and cannot visualize being in another tribe. More experienced men have the wisdom and individuality to pick and choose the best of each tribe.

Why do you not say they aren't even close?

While they're both coprocessors, their purpose and flexibility are totally different.

A TPM is a specialized processor (usually on a separate chip) that's dedicated to a single purpose: authenticating the trustworthiness of a piece of hardware. That's all it does. It stores credentials and validates them. It runs a standardized set of functions with a standardized command protocol.

A Secure Enclave is a secured section of a CPU (usually onboard as either an actual or virtual coprocessor) that is general purpose and can be programmed to do any function that you wish to be secure. These are usually proprietary functions. For example, in an iPhone it's used to store and validate fingerprints, and to setup and talk to the NFC Secure Element for Apple Pay. In the future, it could be programmed to do more things.
 
It's because of all the testosterone on the internet ;)

Inexperienced males usually group into tribes and cannot visualize being in another tribe. More experienced men have the wisdom and individuality to pick and choose the best of each tribe.



While they're both coprocessors, their purpose and flexibility are totally different.

A TPM is a specialized processor (usually on a separate chip) that's dedicated to a single purpose: authenticating the trustworthiness of a piece of hardware. That's all it does. It stores credentials and validates them. It runs a standardized set of functions with a standardized command protocol.

A Secure Enclave is a secured section of a CPU (usually onboard as either an actual or virtual coprocessor) that is general purpose and can be programmed to do any function that you wish to be secure. These are usually proprietary functions. For example, in an iPhone it's used to store and validate fingerprints, and to setup and talk to the NFC Secure Element for Apple Pay. In the future, it could be programmed to do more things.
It sure sounds like there is some type of overlap to me even if the chips don't do identical functions. I thank you for the explanation as that was my understanding also.
 
are you socially inept? are you a virgin? do you leave your room? Have people told you you're delusional?
You can clearly see it with the mentality you have.

Your post definitely says more about you than it does about me, hombre. Namely that you're a douchebag.
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You're entitled to your opinion, too, but it's also not supported by facts.

You're claiming that all 75 million sales were from customers wanting to be able to use 3D Touch or live photos or other minor features. That's unlikely in the extreme.

He's saying most people don't care enough about those features to base a purchase on. (Heck, I'd go further and guess that most people didn't even know about the features before they bought the phone!).

You have the right to believe that all iPhone owners are sheep who will spend money on anything with an Apple logo on it. I believe that iPhone owners are discerning consumers because of the premium they have to pay for Apple products, and that they won't come out in droves to spend $800 on an item that they don't believe offers any kind of value. Plenty of people are still on their 5s and 5Ss for this exact reason.
 
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You have the right to believe that all iPhone owners are sheep who will spend money on anything with an Apple logo on it.

That's from your own head. I never said any such thing.

I said that I don't think the overwhelming majority of people who buy a new iPhone do so solely because of minor new features such as live photos. I said that I don't think most people even know about all those features ahead of time.

Those of us here on iPhone forums know about a lot of them, of course, but I don't think we're anywhere near the majority of iPhone buyers.

I believe that iPhone owners are discerning consumers because of the premium they have to pay for Apple products, and that they won't come out in droves to spend $800 on an item that they don't believe offers any kind of value. Plenty of people are still on their 5s and 5Ss for this exact reason.

Relatively few people pay full price for any high cost phone up front, so there's no droves of $800 spenders to come out. Heck, the lack of such mythical people is one reason why Apple and analysts are expecting a downturn in sales now that subsidies are disappearing.

I agree that a lot of people are keeping their current smartphones because they do all that they need to do. That's true of many brands.
 
I don't think the overwhelming majority of people who buy a new iPhone do so solely because of minor new features such as live photos. I said that I don't think most people even know about all those features ahead of time.

Relatively few people pay full price for any high cost phone up front, so there's no droves of $800 spenders to come out. Heck, the lack of such mythical people is one reason why Apple and analysts are expecting a downturn in sales now that subsidies are disappearing.

I agree that a lot of people are keeping their current smartphones because they do all that they need to do. That's true of many brands.

Yes,
and: people still satisfied with their "old" smartphones will change their contracts: NOT every year/every second year a new Smartphone "for Free" with high payment for the carrier, but much cheaper contracts without that (bottom line: much better and saving a lot for those not suffering if their neighbor has always the "newest" Smartphone… ;) )

So: Saturisation of the market (less "new" = first-time Smartphone customers) , less fluctuation (Customers keep their
Smartphones much longer, they need not more than they got already), more big players in the market, even on top-level (= less marketshare), and an upcoming hard fight concerning prices (prices get more important cause in future customers buy more smartphones themselves) - and perhaps even possible future leaders in that industry NOT calling themselves "apple" (Loss of leadership or same level of technology) will make the future much less comfortable …

We´ll see what happens when Huawei´s MatS and Samsungs Galaxy 7/7edge will enter the market (MArch/April)…

Same for Smartwatches - although I can´t understand why people purchase that… ok, not my cup of tea...
 
you know…
I am not a gamer. I am an adult.
the only 3 reasons why I switched to the iPhone 2012 instead of the Note was:

iP5 = optimum form factor (=didn´t want more than 4" screen)
apple Eco-system: easy to synchronize.

But I dream until today to have also the possibility to draw something for explaining something to people, to have a upgradable AND easy-to-swap-in Memory and the more customizable surface of Android and WinPhone. Aside from the (still) better phone-performance of the Samsung…

I am satisfied with the iP5 - I´d be as well with the Samsung - but I cannot stand people like MaxIT who claim Samsung building "Cheap Crap" Phones… that´s just ridiculous.
"Crap"? I call 95% of the "features" of nowadays Smartphones crap. Like the totally ridiculous "nightShift" function of the upcoming apple-products. If this is one of the most important future features…. good night, apple.

But since Jony Ive is out of Steve jobs control (2011) - superficial pseudo-"innovation" and blah-blah-marketing replaced sophisticated engineering.
Sad enough that millions of people are "believers" in apple marketing legends… I feel like in an Orwell novel…

As for High-tech and INNOVATION:

have a look at the new Huawei Mate S - amazing…. force tough, waterproof, some really good features (for those who need them), shurely more relevant than "nightShift"…. AND good design….

So - apple ail get more and more under pressure. not only samsung, even chinese labels like Huawei are now on top-level.
You ruin a perfectly good post by interjecting something (in bold) you cannot possibly know the demographics about, except for your own opinion.

As far as innovation, the market has spoken as what it thinks of apple. The company has to have that mentality of innovation thinking, it's not about going to around to the cellphone parts suppliers and throwing the parts to Foxconn and asking Foxconn to glue them together. (thanks for fellow MR posters for this analogy) It's not about waterproofing, or sd cards or the like. It's about taking something existing and making it better in a unique way.
 
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