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You ruin a perfectly good post by interjecting something (in bold) you cannot possibly know the demographics about, except for your own opinion.


NightShift has nothing to do with demographic, it is about human physiology.
The impact of a screen with circadian changing colors is ZERO. At least on IOS device like a phone.

While the impact of AMBIENT light color and direct/diffuse light and light intensity has been proven by good scientific tests to be effective concerning for example productivity in business ambience since a LONG TIME, it is absolutely ridiculous for phones or iPads nothing but a desperate (but childish) try to sell more iPhones.

It is all about the myth/urban legend that this nightShift toy would have significant impact on your health. Which is quite BS and nothing but dump marketing.

Every time you adjust screen intensity this has 100000000 times more impact than NightShift.
So - the (since a long time) automatically adapting screen intensity of the iPhone is a very good feature - but NightShift is just ridiculous.
 
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NightShift has nothing to do with demographic, it is about human physiology.
The impact of a screen with circadian changing colors is ZERO. At least on IOS device like a phone.

While the impact of AMBIENT light colour and direct/diffuse light and light intensity has been proven by good scientific tests to be effective for AMBIENT LIGHT this is absolutely ridiculous as try to sell phones.

It is all about the myth/urban legend that this nightShift toy would have significant impact on your health. Which is quite BS and nothing but dump marketing.

Every time you adjust screen intensity this has 100000000 times more impact than NightShift.
So - the (since a long time) automatically adapting screen intensity of the iPhone is a very good feature - but NightShift is just ridiculous.
I know exactly what it's about, "but have a look at the new Huawei Mate S - amazing…. force tough, waterproof, some really good features (for those who need them), shurely more relevant than "nightShift"…. AND good design….", which is what you wrote how could you know? If you don't believe the studies or these studies don't apply to you, that's perfectly okay, however, you cannot know if others are affected by them or not and by saying an absolute statement like you did you are most probably wrong.
 
But in the same way neither can you, you are defending a future apple feature that you've never used and don't make if it's going to be good, badly or completely useless.
 
But in the same way neither can you, you are defending a future apple feature that you've never used and don't make if it's going to be good, badly or completely useless.


In science, you have to prove that a new Method/technical solution has significant impact on something. NOT the other way round!

So please - if you claim apple to be correct and me to be not: Make proof that there are studies worth the classification being "Scientific" that changing colors on a PHONE will have impact on health or at least wellness.

i7guy´s logic is distorted. You can´t promote a new method or technical device without any DATA.
Serious and significant DATA = Convincing serious people
claiming without hard facts = MARKETING and STORY-TELLING for lemmings.

It is not me being forced to do studies that this doesn´t work, it´s up to apple publishing SCIENTIFIC DATA and FACTSto prove their claimings.


Until you make prove of the contrary I will stand by my claim that this is just one more example of ridiculous gimmicks and boy-toys "made by Jony Ive" .
Instead of abusing his enormous human resources for ridiculous things like NighShift JONY IVE should focus finally more on bug-fixing in IOS. THIS would sell more iPhones and better the impacted image of apple. The buggy software impacts much more customers wellness and health AND PRODUCTIVITY than any NightShift will ever do.
This said, Jony Ive is even incapable to chose the best order of priorities - sadly for Jony Ive , this is the first and most important talent of REAL Leaders. Jony Ive is not - not even a mid-level manager… for me he is more like a selfish artist in the midst of his sandbox.


He does not respect the priorities of every enterprise who cares about their customers, because evidently he is incapable to do his job (as now also THE responsible for Software-R&D which was the worst decision apple - and Tim Cook - could do as we see more and more every day).

IF, yes: IF he would REALLY focus on IMPORTANT things instead of spoiling human ressouces with his childish and maniac-looking "philosophy" maybe the next IOS releases will less buggy and we will not have to cope nearly one year with serious OS-issues…. just until the next immature and half-baked, buggy IOS/OSX gets "released"…

BTW: His boy-toy "new MacPro" has now the same "Thinness"- based problem as the MacbookPros since 2008: Heat problems. The classic MacPro NEVER had.
What counts for Jony Ive is thinness for its own sake, NOT ergonomic and reliability.

I stop here because I am going to get really angry about these evidently failing man...
 
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In science, you have to prove that a new Method has significant impact on something.
So please - if you claim apple to be correct and me to be not: Make proof that there are studies worth the classification as "Scientific" that changing colors on a PHONE will have impact on health or at least wellness.

Until you make prove of the contrary I will stand by my claim that this is just one more example of ridiculous toys "made by Jony Ive" instead of abusing his enormous human resources for ridiculous things like NighShift he should work more on bug-fixing in IOS. IF, yes: IF he does maybe the next IOS releases will less buggy and we will not have to cope nearly one year with serious OS-issues…. just until the next immature and half-baked, buggy IOS/OSX gets "released"...
I'm not saying apple is correct, I'm saying you are wrong, two different things. You cannot prove this condition does not affect anyone; which was your original statement, even I take the statement at it's face value and not at it's original wording. I get it in your humble opinion you believe this is useless, but you can't say no one else will find it useless.
 
Until you make prove of the contrary I will stand by my claim that this is just one more example of ridiculous toys "made by Jony Ive" instead of abusing his enormous human resources for ridiculous things like NighShift he should work more on bug-fixing in IOS.

Jony Ive should just keep his hands off of software. Since he's responsible for software design, I'm noticing a decline of quality. Stay with what you know and that's hardware design.
 
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I'm not saying apple is correct, I'm saying you are wrong, two different things. You cannot prove this condition does not affect anyone; which was your original statement, even I take the statement at it's face value and not at it's original wording. I get it in your humble opinion you believe this is useless, but you can't say no one else will find it useless.

I get where he's coming from.

IN the scientific realm, as he's stated his background is, Burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, not the person asking for proof of the claim before believing it.

If Apple is claiming that nightshift will have a psychological affect of helping sleep, than there must be studies that evidence this. It is Apple's burden of proof to show this when asked. If they cannot, than Apple should not also claim that this feature does something scientific. Which makes it a Marketting claim, and not an actual scientific value claim.
 
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In science, you have to prove that a new Method has significant impact on something. NOT the other way round!

So please - if you claim apple to be correct and me to be not: Make proof that there are studies worth the classification being "Scientific" that changing colors on a PHONE will have impact on health or at least wellness.

Your and i7guy´s logic is distorted. You can´t promote a new method or technical device without any DATA.
Serious and significant DATA = Convincing serious people
claiming without hard facts = MARKERTING and STORY-TELLING for lemmings.

It is not me being forced to do studies that this doesn´t work, it´s up to apple publishing SCIENTIFIC DATA and FACTSto prove their claimings.


Until you make prove of the contrary I will stand by my claim that this is just one more example of ridiculous gimmicks and boy-toys "made by Jony Ive" .
Instead of abusing his enormous human resources for ridiculous things like NighShift JONY IVE should focus finally more on bug-fixing in IOS. THIS would sell more iPhones and better the impacted image of apple.

He does not, because evidently he is incapable to do his job (as now also THE responsible for Software-R&D which was the worst apple could do as we see more and more every day).

IF, yes: IF he would REALLY focus on IMPORTANT things instead of spoiling human ressouces with his childish and maniac-looking "philosophy" maybe the next IOS releases will less buggy and we will not have to cope nearly one year with serious OS-issues…. just until the next immature and half-baked, buggy IOS/OSX gets "released"…

I'm claiming nothing - pls edit your post to link to the actually user you are commenting to and not me.
Thanks.
 
Just to get the bottom line:

1) Until now, apple´s claims NightShift having impact on health or wellness of the Users is totally unproven and nothing but a simple claim. There is ZERO EVIDENCE for this claim.

2) Eliminating the already existing multiple bugs in both IOS and OSX and focussing more on quality management in SW R&D would perhaps have much, much, much much more REAL POSITIVE impact on health, wellness and productivity of apple customers than ANY gimmick like "NightShift" could ever have.

3) that being said, apple has more and more problems with decision making for strategic priorities. FIRST priority has always to be customers satisfaction.

4) There is some evidence that Jony Ive is a good example to prove that the "peter principle" is correct.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle



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So - can someone please help Jony Ive out of his sandbox?

You will get a reward… better apple products!
 
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I get where he's coming from.

IN the scientific realm, as he's stated his background is, Burden of proof is always on the person making the claim, not the person asking for proof of the claim before believing it.

If Apple is claiming that nightshift will have a psychological affect of helping sleep, than there must be studies that evidence this. It is Apple's burden of proof to show this when asked. If they cannot, than Apple should not also claim that this feature does something scientific. Which makes it a Marketting claim, and not an actual scientific value claim.
So you are saying there are no studies that show some people are affected by the blue light in electronic devices?
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In science, you have to prove that a new Method/technical solution has significant impact on something. NOT the other way round!

So please - if you claim apple to be correct and me to be not: Make proof that there are studies worth the classification being "Scientific" that changing colors on a PHONE will have impact on health or at least wellness.

i7guy´s logic is distorted. You can´t promote a new method or technical device without any DATA.
Serious and significant DATA = Convincing serious people
claiming without hard facts = MARKETING and STORY-TELLING for lemmings.

It is not me being forced to do studies that this doesn´t work, it´s up to apple publishing SCIENTIFIC DATA and FACTSto prove their claimings.


Until you make prove of the contrary I will stand by my claim that this is just one more example of ridiculous gimmicks and boy-toys "made by Jony Ive" .
Instead of abusing his enormous human resources for ridiculous things like NighShift JONY IVE should focus finally more on bug-fixing in IOS. THIS would sell more iPhones and better the impacted image of apple. The buggy software impacts much more customers wellness and health AND PRODUCTIVITY than any NightShift will ever do.
This said, Jony Ive is even incapable to chose the best order of priorities - sadly for Jony Ive , this is the first and most important talent of REAL Leaders. Jony Ive is not - not even a mid-level manager… for me he is more like a selfish artist in the midst of his sandbox.


He does not respect the priorities of every enterprise who cares about their customers, because evidently he is incapable to do his job (as now also THE responsible for Software-R&D which was the worst decision apple - and Tim Cook - could do as we see more and more every day).

IF, yes: IF he would REALLY focus on IMPORTANT things instead of spoiling human ressouces with his childish and maniac-looking "philosophy" maybe the next IOS releases will less buggy and we will not have to cope nearly one year with serious OS-issues…. just until the next immature and half-baked, buggy IOS/OSX gets "released"…

BTW: His boy-toy "new MacPro" has now the same "Thinness"- based problem as the MacbookPros since 2008: Heat problems. The classic MacPro NEVER had.
What counts for Jony Ive is thinness for its own sake, NOT ergonomic and reliability.

I stop here because I am going to get really angry about these evidently failing man...
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

Here's just one article from an inconsequential source. You can debate this till the cows come home but there is enough going around to show this may help some people, even if 100% does not suffer from this.
 
So you are saying there are no studies that show some people are affected by the blue light in electronic devices?
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side
Here's just one article from an inconsequential source. You can debate this till the cows come home but there is enough going around to show this may help some people, even if 100% does not suffer from this.

Strong words...

So you are saying there are no studies that show some people are affected by the blue light in electronic devices?
.

NO, I do NOT ! Read what I wrote before.

Ironically, it is Just the opposite: It was ME who claimed that there is since a long time evidence concerning Ambient light conditions!

I only claimed that there is no evidence that the "nightshift" wil have significant impact on health or wellness - besides wellness of the shareholders, perhaps... :D (because there are still millions of lemmings)



I agree: this source that you cited is absolutely irrelevant because its topic is strictly Ambient light and NOT screenlight of phones.
This article is 100% off topic.


:D


. You can debate this till the cows come home but there is enough going around to show this may help some people, even if 100% does not suffer from this.

Strong words.. But I don' t have any problem with this. In scientific discussions you don't carry always your soft gloves with you neither...

My aim is a at least a little bit logical or scientific debate with FACTS instead of marketing claims or marketing claims repeated by people not having correctly understood what they cited.

" may help" is no scientific prove at al. You admit?

Knowledge in physiology and pathophysiology is part of my profession....

BTW...

Here is the bottom line of what a therapist writes. I couldn' write it better than her:

"Of course, Night Shift only addresses part of the problem. Using your iPhone and iPad at night, especially for highly-engaging activities like video games, social networking, and messaging can also keep you awake and mess with your sleep hygiene.

Use Nightshift to help you wind down, but when it gets time for sleep, do yourself a bigger favor and just put your devices down!"


There is not much more to say about it.....


As for the text you linked:

Evidently you have not read the article properly and at least not understood its topic - which is nothing but the impact of ambient light on humans.
You seem only to have searched by "nightshift" in acrush - as this word is mentioned once in its Original Sense, it appeared in your search machine - but they never write about screens or even this silly boy-toy with its product name abusing the inner sense of the topic of light and circadian physiology....

This article is Exactly confirming was I wrote already:

It is all about ambient light, they mention nothing but ambient light (light bulbs and LED for ambient light)!

There is no word about computers, nor screens of phones.

I propse gently to admit that you are totally wrong and this article has nothing to do with the app that apple stole from f.lux !

They offered it in the app store and one day apple blocked this little company, tok their product and claimed this as teir own "innovation.

Shame on apple!!!

. Thank you in advance for admitting that you are totally wrong.
 
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But that's a long way from claiming there is no scientific merit, given the article I just quoted from one of the most prestigious universities. Part of this thing is managing your own behavior but apple has added something (finally) they deem worthy to help those afflicted with this condition as part of a larger strategy of modifying your nighttime behavior.
 
So you are saying there are no studies that show some people are affected by the blue light in electronic devices?
[doublepost=1454779386][/doublepost]
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

Here's just one article from an inconsequential source. You can debate this till the cows come home but there is enough going around to show this may help some people, even if 100% does not suffer from this.


But that's a long way from claiming there is no scientific merit, given the article I just quoted from one of the most prestigious universities. Part of this thing is managing your own behavior but apple has added something (finally) they deem worthy to help those afflicted with this condition as part of a larger strategy of modifying your nighttime behavior.

GOOD GOD!

read just again properly the article you cited yourself, PLEASE!

Are you really not able to distinct between ambient light and the little light of a phone screen
or are you just kidding?

THE LAST TIME: YES, ambient light has impact, this is well-known since at least 1-2 decades.

But NIGHTSHIFT is not about ambient light.

If you ignore even the simplest facts I can only helplessly shake my head…
 
GOOD GOD!

Are you really not able to distinct between ambient light and the little light of a phone screen
or are you just kidding?

THE LAST TIME: YES, ambient light has impact, this is well-known since at least 1-2 decades.

But NIGHTSHIFT is not about ambient light.

If you ignore even the simplest facts I can only helplessly shake my head…
Dear sir, do you understand that night shift is about blue light and color shifting the screen. Did you even read the article I posted that talks about electronic gadgets and blue light. It is not about ambient light. It is about people's alleged sensitivity to blue light in electronic displays.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-use-night-shift-mode-in-ios-9-3.1950548/
 
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Dear sir, do you understand that night shift is about blue light and color shifting the screen. Did you even read the article I posted that talks about electronic gadgets and blue light. It is not about ambient light. It is about people's alleged sensitivity to blue light in electronic displays.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-to-use-night-shift-mode-in-ios-9-3.1950548/


The link you posted:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

This scientific orientated part of the article you link edmentions NOT ONE SINGLE TIME electronic equipment, but talks about "Light bulbs" and ambient light from LEDs. It is about ambient light.


EVERY user here should read this link and make his own conclusion if this is about "electronic equipment" or about ambient light.


Only at the end there are some recommendations - but WITHOUT Scientific facts. This is just a extrapolation of facts about AMBIENT LIGHT, NOT the result of studies concerning electronic equipment. The last sentence safe nothing but SPECULATIONS, and NOT scientific results at all.

Neverthgeless, these bizarre recommendations are more about other things (Light intensity of Screens which will to change under "Nightshift" app in comparison to other light) and wearing blue light- absorbing glasses (super!) or work completely under red light.

It is NOT about the color of phone screens.

Even if you Follow these recommendations and even if these were relevant, you might even fall asleep at work. Or on your way home in your car. You cannot work at night in top-condition and get sleepy at the main time. Do you understand this?

These recommendations are vastly overrating the results of studies about AMBIENT LIGHT and transferring these results in an inappropriate manner.

Even if you would admit that staring the whole night at a bright screen don´t get you tired enough to fall asleep (surprise, surprise!) - this proves nothing about using a Phone.



 
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The link you posted:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/blue-light-has-a-dark-side

This scientific orientated part of the article you link edmentions NOT ONE SINGLE TIME electronic equipment, but talks about "Light bulbs" and ambient light from LEDs. It is about ambient light.


EVERY user here should read this link and make his own conclusion if this is about "electronic equipment" or about ambient light.


Only at the end there are some recommendations - but WITHOUT Scientific facts. This is just a extrapolation of facts about AMBIENT LIGHT, NOT the result of studies concerning electronic equipment. The last sentence safe nothing but SPECULATIONS, and NOT scientific results at all.

Neverthgeless, these bizarre recommendations are more about other things (Light intensity of Screens which will to change under "Nightshift" app in comparison to other light) and wearing blue light- absorbing glasses (super!) or work completely under red light.

It is NOT about the color of phone screens.

Even if you Follow these recommendations and even if these were relevant, you might even fall asleep at work. Or on your way home in your car. You cannot work at night in top-condition and get sleepy at the main time. Do you understand this?

These recommendations are vastly overrating the results of studies about AMBIENT LIGHT and transferring these results in an inappropriate manner.

Even if you would admit that staring the whole night at a bright screen don´t get you tired enough to fall asleep (surprise, surprise!) - this proves nothing about using a Phone.


Did you miss the part where they said avoid looking at screens? Why would that even be said in an article only talking about ambient light?

https://justgetflux.com/research.html
 
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From the rumours it seems Samsung are set to bring the galaxy note series back to the UK with the Note 6. Don't know what they were thinking no releasing the 5 over here, it's their most popular phone. Altho the iPhone 6 Plus is selling much better (I love mine).
 
Sad enough that millions of people are "believers" in apple marketing legends… I feel like in an Orwell novel…

Could it simply be that the iPhone works better for millions of people, independent of any Apple marketing?

In my current rotation I've got a Note 4, a Lumia 1520, a Blackberry Passport, and an iPhone 6s Plus. Of those four phones, the one I reach for 90% of the time is my iPhone 6s Plus. Because it works best for me.

No need to go digging through Orwellian fantasies. I use my iPhone 6s Plus because I like it best. And because I like it best, I didn't get a Note 5 or the next WP or the next BlackBerry. And because I like it best, this year I will only get the iPhone 7 Plus.

Nothing to do with marketing. It works best for me.
 
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Could it simply be that the iPhone works better for millions of people, independent of any Apple marketing?

In my current rotation I've got a Note 4, a Lumia 1520, a Blackberry Passport, and an iPhone 6s Plus. Of those four phones, the one I reach for 90% of the time is my iPhone 6s Plus. Because it works best for me.

No need to go digging through Orwellian fantasies. I use my iPhone 6s Plus because I like it best. And because I like it best, I didn't get a Note 5 or the next WP or the next BlackBerry. And because I like it best, this year I will only get the iPhone 7 Plus.

Nothing to do with marketing. It works best for me.

Finally someone who makes perfect sense. I always try and avoid the Apple VS argument simply because i think it is pointless, i also think that it speaks for itself in customer satisfaction and the amount of sales. I'm one of the people who thinks the iPhone is a brilliant phone, now of course there are people who will disagree but i don't see the point in arguing about something that is based on personal preference. Apple are doing their thing and as long as they continue to do that, people like myself will continue to buy their devices.
 
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It's not perfect sense is it though, it's a simple myopic opinion - anyone with any device can say/claim the same.
Which is why all this is absolutely totally and utterly pointless, people are trying to debate personal feelings and personal views...!
 
As for the "error53" thing… in addition to my last posting:

For me, there is now a clear context for these things happening:


----->>>> Didn´t Tim Cook just some days before (Presentaion of Q1 revenues) talk about "SERVICE MARKET giving a LOT of chance to have more revenues" ?????? He pointed out that apple has 1 Billion devices on the market (which is incorrect, they just SOLD that many devices historically) and does´t get much from SERVICE - so this would be the aim of apple for the upcoming times with decreasing amount of iPhones! They want to get much more from everyone of their slaved customers being captured in the apple-"Eco-system" !

NOW we understand that soldering SSDs, RAM, Glueing Batteries and bricking iPhones repaired by 3rd party services will not only force customers to buy the maxed options of the devices at horrible prices (and always pay even 15% on top of the already astronomic price to rest calm for 3 years), it generates in future times enormous income because customers will need desperately apple´s totally overpriced "SERVICE" just to change SSDs and repair failing screens or simple main buttons (the latter happened already often before, but this did cost just some USD).

It is all about GREED and abuse of a monopol status.

Stay with older IOS, older OSX, and with upgradable machines! Kick them in the ass!

AND: There must be class lawsuit action against them for soldering, glueing and the error53 scandal!
 
It's not perfect sense is it though, it's a simple myopic opinion - anyone with any device can say/claim the same.
Which is why all this is absolutely totally and utterly pointless, people are trying to debate personal feelings and personal views...!

Few holes with your wee rant.

I quoted an opinion that attempted to make the case that millions buy iPhones due to marketing. I challenged that by stating that it is possible that people buy their phones because they work best for their situation. I noted my four devices I'm currently using (and oh by the way the iPhone I use for work after I tossed the SGS5 I was originally given into the trash bin where it belongs) and stated that the iPhone simply works best for me. Clearly an opinion of my four personal devices.

Your wee rant, is also an opinion.

Because that's what we do here. We offer opinions. If this were a forum for scientific research where only empirical data were accepted, neither my opinion, nor the poster I quoted, nor your opinion about my opinion about an opinion which spoke to the original OP would be acceptable. Instead, the forum would be exclusively scholarly journals with scientific and statistical data compiled through discrete research.

So....having a wee rant about someone posting an opinion in a forum designed for the posting of opinions is in itself an opinion....however flawed.
 
So don't claim "millions" in your rant then!!
You nor any of the other posts speak for millions so lets just say it as it is and it all gets silly and sulky.

I don't agree with the other post either but.. In the same way you say trash for SGSS5 (which i had to work out btw!!) I'm sure "millions" (see what i did there) will say the same about the iPhone on "their forum" and given they have a better market share (based on this topic) does that mean they are more right than the iPhone users? just spitballing here...

Pointless rants spring to mind If I'm to use your wee term.
 
As for the "error53" thing… in addition to my last posting:

For me, there is now a clear context for these things happening:


----->>>> Didn´t Tim Cook just some days before (Presentaion of Q1 revenues) talk about "SERVICE MARKET giving a LOT of chance to have more revenues" ?????? He pointed out that apple has 1 Billion devices on the market (which is incorrect, they just SOLD that many devices historically) and does´t get much from SERVICE - so this would be the aim of apple for the upcoming times with decreasing amount of iPhones! They want to get much more from everyone of their slaved customers being captured in the apple-"Eco-system" !

NOW we understand that soldering SSDs, RAM, Glueing Batteries and bricking iPhones repaired by 3rd party services will not only force customers to buy the maxed options of the devices at horrible prices (and always pay even 15% on top of the already astronomic price to rest calm for 3 years), it generates in future times enormous income because customers will need desperately apple´s totally overpriced "SERVICE" just to change SSDs and repair failing screens or simple main buttons (the latter happened already often before, but this did cost just some USD).

It is all about GREED and abuse of a monopol status.

Stay with older IOS, older OSX, and with upgradable machines! Kick them in the ass!

AND: There must be class lawsuit action against them for soldering, glueing and the error53 scandal!

Oh please....get over the Cap'n 'Murica rage....

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Anyone wanting to save a few bucks and taking their phones to some dodgy repair centre in someone's basement should not be surprised if Apple protects its interests. One of which is keeping the iPhone compliant per FIPS 140 certification. There are government agencies using these devices and therefore third party tampering with their hardware/software would be problematic to retaining the FIPS 140 certification.
 
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