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Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

Get to bed. Whether from the flu or drinking, your post indicates you need some extended sleep.
 
Well, that's a sentence...

I'm still trying to figure out what "blindly driven by good intentions" means, and the contexts does not help at all. I'm pretty sure "bungled damage control" needs to fit in there somewhere.

"blindly driven by good intentions" means that samsung's good intentions was to get their phone into the customers hands as fast as possible. Ideally before the iPhone 7 launched. This idealism to have the samsung phone out so very fast made Samsung blind to the fact that their phone needed more QA testing before it was ready to ship.
 
Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

In my mind 3G to 3GS was tied second for biggest update. It brought speed when that was needed much more than anything else.
 
I have to say, battery issues aside, the Note 7 is a much nicer phone than the iPhone 7. It feels much nicer to hold and has a proper home button - the one on the iPhone 7 is just awful. Really awful.

The iPhone has better software, but the hardware isn't up to much. I'm waiting to see what Google do with the Nexus. I honestly don't like Apple's hardware any more.
 
Get to bed. Whether from the flu or drinking, your post indicates you need some extended sleep.
I too think it was a dull upgrade I was due to upgrade, will now need to rethink, do I wait a year, perhaps Apple will put the headphone jack back in and allow me to charge and listen at the same time
 
Apple has QC issues of its own. Lord knows we talk about them on this forum every year.

But one thing you don't do if you have as many years experience making smart phones as these companies do is Eff up the battery. You simply do not make a design that would cause a device that often is shoved into people's pants pockets to become an unexpected incendiary device.

Before anyone quotes me the links to iPhones blowing up in people's backpacks or pockets, those are incidents that are few and far between that indicate some sort of isolated cause unique to that case, be it someone did something to incur damage to the phone beforehand or the rare flaw in an individual phone...not a mass failure in design and manufacturing affecting pretty much ALL of released stock.

I'm not out trying to rip Samsung out of IPhone fangirlism, because frankly I'm eagerly anticipating getting my Note 7 replacement this week. But I'm calling moronic management out when I see it. I tried to take a measured approach to rumors and insinuation (without clear evidence) that this fiasco was caused by a rush to market. But now that the evidence is out there, I'm SMH.


Which begs the question... Why would you support such a company then? Samsung has a history of throwing their customers under the bus. Now they're throwing them under the bus with an incendiary device...
 
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Remember all the rumors that the iPhone 6 was going to have "curved" glass? That seemed to be all the rage for a while. Some of Apple's competitors even came out with phones that were bent in a curve, as if that was a desirable feature for a phone. Then the iPhone 6 comes out and sure the glass is "curved", but it's just a nice bevel on the edge to make it match the curve of the edge of the case. Apple's competitors would do well to just wait and see what Apple actually does before trying to copy them.
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Samsung is getting off lightly here IMHO.

Absolutely. I'm surprised Congress hasn't yet called hearings demanding Apple to explain Samsung's screwup.
 
Samsung told Bloomberg that release dates are determined by "the proper completion of the development process and the readiness of the product for the market."
I do find that believable however clearly something was missed during the development and testing phase and at the same time I have little doubt that Samsung wanted to get the Note 7 out the door before the new iPhone came out too. Obviously their plans backfired on them and I hope they learn from it and don't allow it to happen again.
 
I read another article that compares hardware technologies between Androids and iOS. Essentially the article showed that because Android is not optimized for Samsung, they need to bump their specs above Apple's to get the same performance output. I have always been surprised that Apple haters focus on the superior specs of the Samsung phones, and yet they never seem to deliver significantly more. And I think this may be part of the problem. As I understood it, it take bigger batteries in the Android world to get the same time between charges of an Apple. Given the form factor, even on the larger sizes, you have size limitations. Samsung must have thought it could magically overcome that limitation without changing the form factors, but the magic was just not there.

Source - http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12886058/iphone-7-specs-competition
 
Going from a 3000 mah battery to a 3,500 mah with increasing depth or removing the headphone jack, was a big a mistake
 
Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...
and to think it can do all that while exploding in your hand. What a phone. :(
 
Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

Not much improvement on performance? Are you serious, the A10 chip out performance any Samsung out there, by a street-length.

Btw, You probably haven't noticed this, but Apple doesn't make anything by itself. Everything is outsourced except for design (Design of everything including whatever Samsung and TSMC and others are making for them). Please wake-up.

Oh really, you couldn't be more wrong with your Bieber-Dylan comparison. Samsung is selling far more phones that Apple ever will, so quantity as a proxy of quality is a real misser. Apple was well known before anybody heard from Samsung, so Apple is actually the 'Dylan'.
 
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Which begs the question... Why would you support such a company then? Samsung has a history of throwing their customers under the bus. Now they're throwing them under the bus with an incendiary device...
I'm not supporting any company. I don't even support any one organized religion, or political party and only cheer for sports teams my friends and kids play on. Otherwise I go with whomever is offering whatever appeals to me and makes sense to me for a particular situation. For many years that has been Apple when it comes to smart phones, but I had a niche use case scenario for a phablet that had stylus features. iPad Pro was a bit bigger than I wanted to go. Apple doesn't have anything quite like the Note series.

I talked to a lot of Samsung Galaxy owners on forums and in person and read a lot of previews and articles, and the Note 7 seemed like a very solid choice for me, particularly as I was interested in their S-pen functionality. They do have many satisfied and loyal customers. Their previous letdowns to their smart phone customers weren't any worse than any iPhone jackazzery that I could see. Until this unprecedented fiasco, of course.

Apple has had its share of safety related "scandals" as had been pointed out numerous times elsewhere on this forum. Not with iPhones as far as I know but with different computer products. So one might question why anyone would continue to buy Apple products if your standard were to be fairly applied across the board.

I'm loyal to my husband and to my family and to my spiritual beliefs that transcend manmade divisions and organizations. I'm not loyal to corporations. My "support" is simply the money paid for a product or service delivered, and my willingness to spend that money is highly conditional. Samsung has responded clumsily but adequately to me, as an individual customer, so far. It remains to be seen what I will think of my Note 7 replacement.
 
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Forever the beta company, Samsung continues to act and move on rumors surrounding what Apple "might" be working on. Reminds me of them releasing the rushed and subpar original galaxy gear just to beat the rumor of an Apple iWatch to market. A watch that they later admitted was subpar. They desperately want to be Apple so badly. Ironically enough the iPhone 7 ended up being a hit.
Well, in Samsung's defence, the last time they went ahead on their own, without checking Macrumors, they had their "Crisis of Design". This is when the iPad2 was shown and Samsung (and everyone else) crapped their pants.

So can you blame them for reacting to every little Apple rumor?

;)
 
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This is hilarious. The iPhone 7 isn't a spectacular upgrade by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a solid upgrade. I feel like the better battery life is understated next to more tangible things like better low-light performance, speed, water proofing, stereo speakers, better display, better FaceTime camera and black color options. I actually came away a little impressed by the stereo speaker feature. I wasn't expecting that to be much of a noticeable thing. The battery life too. And having OIS on the regular sized iPhone is huge. My videos look so much better now! That feature alone is worth it to me.

I think a big selling point is that the Jet Black looks so incredibly sleek and not anything like a 6 or 6s because the antenna lines practically disappear. It's more like a super sexy iPhone 3G—a design that was great at the time, but plastic. The average person probably doesn't remember it, and compared to the current install base, many current users likely never owned the 3G or 3gs. For others, it was quite likely their first iPhone and might bring some sentimental value. And for others still, they just like to change colors. Full black hasn't been available since 2012, so they'll jump at the chance.

I hope the rumors are true—that Apple doesn't take their foot off the accelerator for next year's full redesign. I think this thing could take a higher waterproof rating like the Apple Watch. I saw a video where it beat out a Note 7 in 35ft of water at the bottom of the Columbia River. They could reduce the bezels and make the display sizes bigger. As a designer I could barely tell a drop in resolution going from the iPhone 6 Plus to the iPhone 6s display. Even though the lower PPI is hardly noticeable unless you're looking really closely, they could probably bump it up to @3X next year to shut everyone up (it's the only advantage Android Phones have that I consistently hear people complain about). They could also play around with new materials such as ceramic, and incorporate that new lithium battery technology that is supposed to be easy to produce on existing factory lines and double the battery life. Moving to a 10nm process could also make the A11 have insane performance and an even better low-energy Fusion capability. And maybe the non-Plus will get the dual-camera system. Much like OIS on the 7, that feature alone would be worth it to me.

I feel like the iPhone 7 is setting the foundation for what comes next, and that's really exciting to think about. It's going to be funny when people complain that the next iPhone is only a redesign that doesn't add a lot of features like the iPhone 7. The larger true-tone OLED/MLED display won't be enough, nor the full waterproof rating, nor the extra battery life, nor the wireless charging, nor the improved camera. They will say it's just a "pretty" update that gets rid of the home button and mute switch and adds a blue color option.
 
Samsung can recover from this? Hell yeah. Is the Note7 the only phone in their portfolio? They sell a ton of other phones. Look at Toyota where they had a far worse fiasco with a recall across multiple product lines.

The perception among the public who doesn't own a Samsung phone is that 'Samsung phones are flawed' not that the 'Note 7 is flawed'.

It's a Samsung problem overall. Sales from ALL their phones will be affected.
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I have to say, battery issues aside, the Note 7 is a much nicer phone than the iPhone 7. It feels much nicer to hold and has a proper home button - the one on the iPhone 7 is just awful. Really awful.

I disagree. The iPhone 7 button is awesome. I got used to it after 10 minutes. I wish my old iPad had the same button now. The physical buttons seem so bad now.
 
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