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Indeed I found her post is enjoyable and at least she is objective and to the point not like some trolls like jasonklee or samcraig.

For the record, some of my posts are hopefully made in ironic jest with tongue firmly in cheek.

I assure you we're a large Apple household here with many happy converts from Samsung/HTC (my mother being the most recent to switch from her Samsung gear, despite her affinity for made-in-Korea crapware, and my brother is dropping the Note 7 entirely for an iPhone 7 because the exchange process has been a mess). Apple user since 1998 myself.
 
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I think "profits" was misspelled as "good intentions".

*misspelt

The curse of the grammer nazi. You correct a single word and you get it wrong.

According to my trustworthy old dictionary: misspell, verb, past and past participle misspelt or misspelled.

(And I know how to spell "grammar", but I very much prefer to spell grammer nazi the way I do).
 
Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

Your trying to deflect the problem back to Apple, than try to rationalize the problems with Samsung. I will stick with the boring iPhone if its more reliable than Samsung's exploding phones that also fail in water proof tests.
 
I think this incident is also quite enlightening in that it lets us have a look at the typical Samsung sales figures, something they have traditionally been very shy to reveal.

From the reports, it seems that they sold about 1 million Note 7 phones over 2 weeks. The iPhone hits that number in a little over a day. Samsung clearly doesn't move as many premium handsets as they would like us to believe.
 
The curse of the grammer nazi. You correct a single word and you get it wrong.

According to my trustworthy old dictionary: misspell, verb, past and past participle misspelt or misspelled.

(And I know how to spell "grammar", but I very much prefer to spell grammer nazi the way I do).

People also forget that MR is an international site. I have never once in my life said or written misspelt (now I can't say that anymore). I'm sure that it is common in the UK, but in the Western US it's generally not used.
 
It's a silly mistake to make. I mean, yeah, the iPhone 7 isn't a huge update. We're having baby steps now. (and to me it looks more like the iPhone 6++ rather than a whole new series)
 
I think this incident is also quite enlightening in that it lets us have a look at the typical Samsung sales figures, something they have traditionally been very shy to reveal.

From the reports, it seems that they sold about 1 million Note 7 phones over 2 weeks. The iPhone hits that number in a little over a day. Samsung clearly doesn't move as many premium handsets as they would like us to believe.
The Note line has never been a "big seller". The S7 and S7 Edge are more for the mainstream Samsung buyer.

I like it for the pen and the curved edge of the screen is way more subtle than the S7 Edge.
They gave me one of those as a loaner and I hated it. Accidental touches are horrid.
Got my replacement Note 7 this morning. So far no fireballs. :p

As you can see in my signature, I like anything I can geek out on.. Apple, Android, whatever.
 
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The curse of the grammer nazi. You correct a single word and you get it wrong.

According to my trustworthy old dictionary: misspell, verb, past and past participle misspelt or misspelled.

(And I know how to spell "grammar", but I very much prefer to spell grammer nazi the way I do).
Yup. In BE it's traditionally "spelt" and "spelled" in AE.
 
Apple has had its share of safety related "scandals" as had been pointed out numerous times elsewhere on this forum. Not with iPhones as far as I know but with different computer products. So one might question why anyone would continue to buy Apple products if your standard were to be fairly applied across the board.

For instance?
 
For instance?
Good lord I'm too tired to find them all again. There was some sort of charging thingy problem with the laptops. People were getting shocked or zapped or something. It's all on this forum somewhere.

I just got my replacement Note 7 earlier this evening. I will be setting it up for the next two days as I dislike restoring from backups and prefer to start fresh each time. I'm charging my Note 7 now. If you all don't hear from me again you'll know the replacements were not successful. :eek:

AT&T had exactly one IPhone 7 left when I asked. It was a 256 GB gold. I had my 6S Plus with me. That's the phone I can trade in on my original line. It was tempting but if I'm going to do the trade I will do it later and see if I can get silver or black. The guy who was handling my Note 7 replacement said the iPhones were coming in regularly but jet black is definitely sold out until November. He did not specify which sizes. Regular matte black is coming in, still. This was our local corporate AT&T store.

Sorry for rambling. I've been up since very early and have a hectic morning ahead. See you all later. I'm going to read a few more pages and zonk out.
 
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Good lord I'm too tired to find them all again. There was some sort of charging thingy problem with the laptops. People were getting shocked or zapped or something. It's all on this forum somewhere.

It's all on this forum somewhere... right...

Don't open laptops if you don't know what you're doing.
 
Samsung has had fridges explode (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-44470) and washing machines start fires (http://abc11.com/news/consumers-claim-some-samsung-washing-machines-explode/1056429/) but sure, blame the “dull” iPhone and talk about Samsung’s reputation of high quality products.

Poor journalism.

Someone we know had there house burn down thanks to an Apple iPad charger.
This so called report is nothing more then click bait at this present time. It would need to be confirmed by a lot more sources before I would believe it.
 
Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

Sorrry you don't know what you're talking about - this is a big jump in performance especially - just like the 6s outperformed a newer samsung (recent thread about it here).

Here, an article about the 7 and 7+ display:

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone7_ShootOut_1.htm

At first glance the iPhone 7 looks almost indistinguishable from the 2014 iPhone 6 and 2015 iPhone 6s. Actually, the displays are the same size and have the same pixel resolution. But that is as far as it goes... The iPhone 7 display is a Truly Impressive major enhancement and advancement on the iPhone 6 display... and even every other mobile LCD display that we have ever tested... note that I hand out compliments on displays very carefully. And for those of you thinking of Emailing that we got hand-picked units, the iPhones were purchased retail from Verizon Wireless.

Yes it's an LCD display (we'll see how Apple does with amoled next year) but not a minor bump.
Wait until anantech (who have just published a thorough review of the HTC 10) and others test the 7 in detail.
 
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This event is likely to tarnish Samsung's reputation for some time and one of the reasons it'd take something special for me not buy an Apple device. Boring or not, I'd rather something that is reliable and has been appropriately tested before shipping.

If you're tempted to cite touch-gate, iPhone 4 signal, and bending phone issues as being proof that Apple's QA has slipped, that's nowhere near comparable to exploding phones.
Seriously though, if you were the parent of that child who had one explode in his hands, could you fathom even buying a Samsung refrigerator?
 
"Apple not having real homegrown technology..." Yeah, so I guess the main and most constantly improving feature, the A-series/Fusion series processors, is made by some Korean guy in a basement at Samsung's facilities and it's not really Apple's processor design team. Samsung's business is to maintain it's manufacturing facilities producing, not innovating the phone market. They produce a lot of stuff all over the world, not just phones, or processors, or batteries. And yes, Samsung's marketing team is trying to ride on Apple's iPhone success, that's extremely clear, and the hard reality is that they are not good at copying Apple's philosophy. That's why they commit mistakes like messing up with exploding batteries just to beat out Apple's phone announcements. Marketing is pushing them. They are trying to compete with Apple, and Apple is not trying to compete with anybody. Apple does their thing and listen to what the majority of real hardware user wants and adapt those needs to their design philosophy. Samsung thinks that what people wants is bigger screens, bigger batteries, faster processors, etc. That's it for their design team. As long as they keep doing that, they will always be second or third place when compared to iPhone.

And Apple does not "need" TSMC nor Samsung. Apple just sends out project tenders (made by their internal design and QA teams) for hardware manufacturing and all of those asian facilities send their offers for production of said hardware, or parts of it. If you really think about it, those companies NEED clients like Apple to maintain their manufacturing business going. And that's how it works right now. If Apple needed to manufacture their own stuff, they would. But options exist worldwide, and if they are a viable choice to keep costs low and profit high, well, they'd be stupid not to use said opportunities. An example of this type of options: Mexico organised their tax policies so japanese, korean, german, spaniard, dutch and american car manufacturers -and their partners- could set their facilities there and produce their vehicles for lower costs. Chances are your 2016 Honda Fit, or your Toyota Camry, and even your Porsche were not made in Japan or Germany, but in Celaya or Puebla, in Mexico. And you pay the same for a great quality japanese or german car made in Mexico. How shocking, right?

Asia created opportunities for electronics and many more manufacturing industries, so Samsung, TSMC and Foxconn flourished because they were protected by their governments against foreign competition. Otherwise, we would probably be talking about Apple Asia Semiconductors Manufacturing not putting out enough Fusion processors to cover international iPhone market demands.

Be real with your comments. It's not a "DC v. Marvel" fan situation. It's a world-wide business management matter, with two companies with very different business models being compared by many public entities as if they had the same goals to achieve.

Sorry for the rant...
Very well stated
 
It's all on this forum somewhere... right...

Don't open laptops if you don't know what you're doing.
Sigh...don't open laptops...say what? Whatever. It was a late night and I can see you just want to pick a fight. I was referencing previous discussions on this forum that other people had links and all to. I'm not looking that stuff up just to appease you. I don't even remember what I was talking about to begin with. I'm reading so many different threads right now. You're welcome to take my comments at face value or forum search or whatever. If you don't want to and just want to hear that you are right and King of the Internet, fine, you are right and King of the Internet. Have a good reign.

I just got everyone off to school and work and now I'm going to finally sit down and have my coffee before I murder someone. I'm supposed to get my caffeine first thing but I knew it was going to be one of those mornings. School picture day mornings always are.
 
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Sigh...don't open laptops...say what? Whatever. It was a late night and I can see you just want to pick a fight. I was referencing previous discussions on this forum that other people had links and all to. I'm not looking that stuff up just to appease you. I don't even remember what I was talking about to begin with. I'm reading so many different threads right now. You're welcome to take my comments at face value or forum search or whatever. If you don't want to and just want to hear that you are right and King of the Internet, fine, you are right and King of the Internet. Have a good reign.

I just got everyone off to school and work and now I'm going to finally sit down and have my coffee before I murder someone. I'm supposed to get my caffeine first thing but I knew it was going to be one of those mornings. School picture day mornings always are.

Conclusion: Apple is as bad as Samasung in the health and safety department of their devices because you opened a laptop without knowing what you're doing and got zapped.
 
Conclusion: Apple is as bad as Samasung in the health and safety department of their devices because you opened a laptop without knowing what you're doing and got zapped.
No one said anything about "opening laptops"--that's your assumption. You're also assuming that GrumpyMom opened her laptop when there's nothing to indicate that. And yet another in your conclusion. I'd suggest not confusing your own thoughts for reality.

There is a thread here, going back a few years, about people getting zapped from touching their laptops. I don't know how it worked out or what the issue was, but it's a thing that happened.
 
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Conclusion: Apple is as bad as Samasung in the health and safety department of their devices because you opened a laptop without knowing what you're doing and got zapped.
I never opened any Apple laptop. I haven't gotten zapped. Huh what are you talking about?

I have read on this forum in different threads people making reference to Apple having some sort of issues with defective parts that were not safe and could shock people. Other people told their own stories about trying to get refunds or getting a recall effort under way. They were making these remarks in conjunction with discussion about the Note 7s. I was making a reference to those remarks. Whatever happened, happened before I got my MacBook Pro, which was about four years ago.

I am not trying to slam Apple. I'm trying to be fair to both companies, not because I care about either company in particular, but out of respect for forum members who consider themselves fans, for whatever reason, of those companies. I'm not here to pick fights or stir up crap. Granted, my posts when I'm tired are not the best quality, but I try to be respectful of other people's feelings here.

I like Apple products and have enthusiastically used them for over a decade now. My husband's history with Apple goes back to his beautiful Apple IIe that is still set up and running in his office. But I'm realistic enough to know that no company is perfect and when it comes to electronics, no consumer can take anything for granted. No brand name is entirely safe and we all have to take certain precautions. Apple has a better track record than most, but they have not been immune to some safety issues of their own according to other members of this forum who remember some instances in particular. I don't remember these myself because I was not affected by them. I hope that clears it up.
 
Conclusion: Apple is as bad as Samasung in the health and safety department of their devices because you opened a laptop without knowing what you're doing and got zapped.

If you can get zapped just from opening a laptop, that laptop should get a recall.
 
There's a huge contingent of Samsung Note 7 users where I work, amongst 750 people in my building alone. What's amazing and revealing is the vast number of them are waiting patiently for a replacement Note 7.

I've used every model since the Note 3 and I too am waiting for my Note 7 replacement. It's an amazing testimony to the loyalty and satisfaction of Samsung customers.

Cult like sheep
 
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I'm not supporting any company. I don't even support any one organized religion, or political party and only cheer for sports teams my friends and kids play on. Otherwise I go with whomever is offering whatever appeals to me and makes sense to me for a particular situation. For many years that has been Apple when it comes to smart phones, but I had a niche use case scenario for a phablet that had stylus features. iPad Pro was a bit bigger than I wanted to go. Apple doesn't have anything quite like the Note series.

I talked to a lot of Samsung Galaxy owners on forums and in person and read a lot of previews and articles, and the Note 7 seemed like a very solid choice for me, particularly as I was interested in their S-pen functionality. They do have many satisfied and loyal customers. Their previous letdowns to their smart phone customers weren't any worse than any iPhone jackazzery that I could see. Until this unprecedented fiasco, of course.

Apple has had its share of safety related "scandals" as had been pointed out numerous times elsewhere on this forum. Not with iPhones as far as I know but with different computer products. So one might question why anyone would continue to buy Apple products if your standard were to be fairly applied across the board.

I'm loyal to my husband and to my family and to my spiritual beliefs that transcend manmade divisions and organizations. I'm not loyal to corporations. My "support" is simply the money paid for a product or service delivered, and my willingness to spend that money is highly conditional. Samsung has responded clumsily but adequately to me, as an individual customer, so far. It remains to be seen what I will think of my Note 7 replacement.


I agreed with everything you wrote, until you tried to equate Samsung to Apple. Maybe, you personally haven't been screwed royally by their customer service, but I have and countless others have as well (e.g. Samsung TV capacitor class action lawsuit). Samsung's MO is to sell as many things as possible, and then try to support as few of those customers as possible, and push back until they are sued into servicing their customers via class action lawsuits.

My experience with Apple customer service is the antithesis of my experience with Samsucks customers service. Apple has repaired my out of warranty Macbook Pro and replaced iPhones that were also out of warranty. Samsung barely even takes care of you when you are still under warranty. Unless they are forced to.

If you have a specific case use for the Note 7 then that's fine, but don't discount what a crappy company Samsung is, and still continues to be, as evidenced by the most recent fiasco, and certainly don't try to imply that customer service wise Samsung and Apple are on par. That is just plain false.
 
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