Samsung's Battery Crisis Began With Rumors of a 'Dull' iPhone

[philosopherdog]

Samsung always have been a company that makes cheap clones. They're so desperate to catch Apple, but they haven't ever done anything innovative. Imagine if Apple ****ed up this bad? CNN would be doing an hour by hour report for a week. Nobody cares what Samsung does unless their phones could blow up a plane. Then it gets in the news.

 

[shaunp]

The perception among the public who doesn't own a Samsung phone is that 'Samsung phones are flawed' not that the 'Note 7 is flawed'.

It's a Samsung problem overall. Sales from ALL their phones will be affected.
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I disagree. The iPhone 7 button is awesome. I got used to it after 10 minutes. I wish my old iPad had the same button now. The physical buttons seem so bad now.

Personal preference thing. I hated it. I'd rather have a touch screen with no button than what Apple have implemented. The new home button doesn't work for me at all. Maybe if they just removed it completely I'd be happier with it.

 

[maxsix]

Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

There's a huge contingent of Samsung Note 7 users where I work, amongst 750 people in my building alone. What's amazing and revealing is the vast number of them are waiting patiently for a replacement Note 7.

I've used every model since the Note 3 and I too am waiting for my Note 7 replacement. It's an amazing testimony to the loyalty and satisfaction of Samsung customers.

 

[jgdeschamps]

Samsung is right at one thing. It is a DULL iPhone. Splash two black options, copy HTC and Sony features from 3.5 years ago, remove headphone jack, not improve much in display, camera, and performance and call it iPhone 7/7 Plus. Worst upgrade since going from 3G to 3Gs.

It's a dull upgrade. Samsung should have slowed their roll. It's okay though. Apple still loses in several areas to Samsung including manufacturing ANYTHING THEMSELVES and real homegrown technologies. Apple still needs Samsung like they do with TSMC and Foxconn.

I don't think popularity = quality. That's like saying Justin Bieber is a better music artist than Steve Jobs' idol, Bob Dylan, because he sells more records. So iPhone 7 can outsell Note7 50:1.

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life. Apple loses in overall design too rehashing a design from 2014 to push it for 36 months while Samsung is guilty of it for the last 18 months but can change it up six months from now.

Recall happening BEFORE the iPhone 7 is actually better for Samsung in the long run. They had time to reorganize. Imagine had the recall happened closer to the shopping season? Fireworks to light up New Year's Eve. It was a mistake by Samsung's part. They owed up it and will move on. They are not going to just roll over their belly and die on us. Sony and Toyota are still fine after their recall. Samsung is currently richer than both of them. Move on...

"Apple not having real homegrown technology..." Yeah, so I guess the main and most constantly improving feature, the A-series/Fusion series processors, is made by some Korean guy in a basement at Samsung's facilities and it's not really Apple's processor design team. Samsung's business is to maintain it's manufacturing facilities producing, not innovating the phone market. They produce a lot of stuff all over the world, not just phones, or processors, or batteries. And yes, Samsung's marketing team is trying to ride on Apple's iPhone success, that's extremely clear, and the hard reality is that they are not good at copying Apple's philosophy. That's why they commit mistakes like messing up with exploding batteries just to beat out Apple's phone announcements. Marketing is pushing them. They are trying to compete with Apple, and Apple is not trying to compete with anybody. Apple does their thing and listen to what the majority of real hardware user wants and adapt those needs to their design philosophy. Samsung thinks that what people wants is bigger screens, bigger batteries, faster processors, etc. That's it for their design team. As long as they keep doing that, they will always be second or third place when compared to iPhone.

And Apple does not "need" TSMC nor Samsung. Apple just sends out project tenders (made by their internal design and QA teams) for hardware manufacturing and all of those asian facilities send their offers for production of said hardware, or parts of it. If you really think about it, those companies NEED clients like Apple to maintain their manufacturing business going. And that's how it works right now. If Apple needed to manufacture their own stuff, they would. But options exist worldwide, and if they are a viable choice to keep costs low and profit high, well, they'd be stupid not to use said opportunities. An example of this type of options: Mexico organised their tax policies so japanese, korean, german, spaniard, dutch and american car manufacturers -and their partners- could set their facilities there and produce their vehicles for lower costs. Chances are your 2016 Honda Fit, or your Toyota Camry, and even your Porsche were not made in Japan or Germany, but in Celaya or Puebla, in Mexico. And you pay the same for a great quality japanese or german car made in Mexico. How shocking, right?

Asia created opportunities for electronics and many more manufacturing industries, so Samsung, TSMC and Foxconn flourished because they were protected by their governments against foreign competition. Otherwise, we would probably be talking about Apple Asia Semiconductors Manufacturing not putting out enough Fusion processors to cover international iPhone market demands.

Be real with your comments. It's not a "DC v. Marvel" fan situation. It's a world-wide business management matter, with two companies with very different business models being compared by many public entities as if they had the same goals to achieve.

Sorry for the rant...

 

[maxsix]

Personal preference thing. I hated it. I'd rather have a touch screen with no button than what Apple have implemented. The new home button doesn't work for me at all. Maybe if they just removed it completely I'd be happier with it.

I've been super happy with the use and implementation of capacitive home, back and recent buttons on my various Android smartphones.

Especially fast, accurate and enjoyable on my Nexus 6P. Combined with the superior multitasking of Android phones, it's an unbeatable advantage.


I must say Apple's got a long way to go. They missed a golden opportunity to embrace the superiority of a capacitive button by refusing to put one on iPhone 7. Instead in their arrogance and refusal to use what is best, they couldn't resist the urge to reinvent the wheel.

For bragging rights the Cupertino Company can't help themselves, they've always got to invent something to draw attention to Apple. The cheesy buzzing Haptic experience is one I will happily avoid.

 

[FFR]

There's a huge contingent of Samsung Note 7 users where I work, amongst 750 people in my building alone. What's amazing and revealing is the vast number of them are waiting patiently for a replacement Note 7.

I've used every model since the Note 3 and I too am waiting for my Note 7 replacement. It's an amazing testimony to the loyalty and satisfaction of Samsung customers.

You mean Samsung hq , yeah that doesn't count.

 

[tomwhom]

You mean Samsung hq , yeah that doesn't count.

Probably Samsung Insurance inc. or Samsung Coffin inc.
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Where's samcraig now to defend Samsung, not believing there was any evidence pointing to a rushed product?

Or maybe hospitalized by exploding note 7? HAHAHA...

 

[jasonklee]

You mean Samsung hq , yeah that doesn't count.

Cold as ice.

 

[tomwhom]

I'm not supporting any company. I don't even support any one organized religion, or political party and only cheer for sports teams my friends and kids play on. Otherwise I go with whomever is offering whatever appeals to me and makes sense to me for a particular situation. For many years that has been Apple when it comes to smart phones, but I had a niche use case scenario for a phablet that had stylus features. iPad Pro was a bit bigger than I wanted to go. Apple doesn't have anything quite like the Note series.

I talked to a lot of Samsung Galaxy owners on forums and in person and read a lot of previews and articles, and the Note 7 seemed like a very solid choice for me, particularly as I was interested in their S-pen functionality. They do have many satisfied and loyal customers. Their previous letdowns to their smart phone customers weren't any worse than any iPhone jackazzery that I could see. Until this unprecedented fiasco, of course.

Apple has had its share of safety related "scandals" as had been pointed out numerous times elsewhere on this forum. Not with iPhones as far as I know but with different computer products. So one might question why anyone would continue to buy Apple products if your standard were to be fairly applied across the board.

I'm loyal to my husband and to my family and to my spiritual beliefs that transcend manmade divisions and organizations. I'm not loyal to corporations. My "support" is simply the money paid for a product or service delivered, and my willingness to spend that money is highly conditional. Samsung has responded clumsily but adequately to me, as an individual customer, so far. It remains to be seen what I will think of my Note 7 replacement.

Sounds a little odd since you have posted a lot of message here alone and your message seems one of the longest among macrumors users! Being a mom, I guess you may spend a lot of time taking care of your kids or family needs rather than wasting much time commenting on a company’s rumors which you don’t support or not loyal to! Strange, isn’t it????
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Cold as ice.

Don't worry! Will be warmed with note 7!

 

[5105973]

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Sounds a little odd since you have posted a lot of message here alone! Being a mom, I think you should spend a lot of time taking care of your kids or family needs rather than waisting much time commenting on a company’s rumors which you don’t love or not loya! Strange, isn’t it????

Good Point. I can't argue with that. I should spend my time better, but I find this forum fun. Other people waste time on Facebook or Twitter, I hang out here especially when I'm sorting out my tech stuff. Some times I'm on more often than others. It varies. I've been on too much since recovering from surgery this summer, that's for sure. I miss my routine out in the gardens. Sigh. Maybe next summer.

I could explain how I pop here between chores or when I'm sitting at the table overseeing and helping with homework or sitting in hospital waiting rooms for various reasons and for various people and whatnot but my life is boring when detailed that much, so why would I bore you with it?

PS--this forum is my first stop for morning coffee time. As for the odd 3:00 am hours, I am at that age where I wake up in the middle of the night. I read here on my iPad until I fall asleep again. I've bonked my nose so often doing that!

 

[cmwade77]

What an epic mess up. They seriously wrote a patch so that the phones would draw less power in hopes that the faulty batteries wouldn't explode? I don't even... Is that course of action even OK by the product safety agency? It sounds like mighty thin ice to walk where personal safety is at risk.

Edit: If the problem was caused by short circuiting the battery I guess that patch wouldn't even have helped since that is unrelated to battery load. Sounds like they were just in panic mode.

Actually, this article does a very poor job of explaining it. Basically the batteries were only exploding once they reached above a certain level of charge and the phone was still plugged in. So by limiting the charge to 60% total capacity did an end run around the problem for the moment.

 

[Analog Kid]

Sounds a little odd since you have posted a lot of message here alone and your message seems one of the longest among macrumors users! Being a mom, I guess you may spend a lot of time taking care of your kids or family needs rather than wasting much time commenting on a company’s rumors which you don’t support or not loyal to! Strange, isn’t it????

Easy there, big guy. GrumpyMom is one of the few reasonable voices in these forums. You've got no right to go after them or how they handle their family.

Keep it civil. GM is one of the few folks around here that readily moves between devices and can clearly articulate their pros and cons.

 

[tomwhom]

Good Point. I can't argue with that. I should spend my time better, but I find this forum fun. Other people waste time on Facebook or Twitter, I hang out here especially when I'm sorting out my tech stuff. Some times I'm on more often than others. It varies. I've been on too much since recovering from surgery this summer, that's for sure. I miss my routine out in the gardens. Sigh. Maybe next summer.

I could explain how I pop here between chores or when I'm sitting at the table overseeing and helping with homework or sitting in hospital waiting rooms for various reasons and for various people and whatnot but my life is boring when detailed that much, so why would I bore you with it?

PS--this forum is my first stop for morning coffee time. As for the odd 3:00 am hours, I am at that age where I wake up in the middle of the night. I read here on my iPad until I fall asleep again. I've bonked my nose so often doing that!

Just hope you recover well from surgery!

 

[5105973]

Easy there, big guy. GrumpyMom is one of the few reasonable voices in these forums. You've got no right to go after them or how they handle their family.

Keep it civil. GM is one of the few folks around here that readily moves between devices and can clearly articulate their pros and cons.

Thanks Analog Kid, you're very kind. Lol, but when I looked at that list of my posting times, I had to admit, I was like "Whoa, I was on at 3:00 a.m. oh yeah..." Life gets really weird when you hit 50.
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Just hope you recover well from surgery!

Aw, thanks. I did. It was pre-cancer, a hereditary kind. It was caught in time. I'm very blessed.

 

[Analog Kid]

Lol, but when I looked at that list of my posting times, I had to admit, I was like "Whoa, I was on at 3:00 a.m. oh yeah..." Life gets really weird when you hit 50.

On the plus side, at least you'll be awake when your Note catches fire...
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Indeed I found her post is enjoyable and at least she is objective and to the point not like some trolls like jasonklee or samcraig.

I may have come in a bit hot. Too much of the conversation around here has become throwing rocks at people rather than exploring or challenging ideas. Bringing family into the fight kinda set me off-- but re-reading I may have garbled your tone a bit.

Zappa always said that what's missing from computers is the eyebrows...

 

[StrongArmmed]

Absolutely. I'm surprised Congress hasn't yet called hearings demanding Apple to explain Samsung's screwup.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This literally made me laugh loudly.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Personal preference thing. I hated it. I'd rather have a touch screen with no button than what Apple have implemented. The new home button doesn't work for me at all. Maybe if they just removed it completely I'd be happier with it.

I'm still a little mixed about it. Getting used to it, however... I loved having a button, the one piece of the phone face that you knew why it didn't work when it didn't - you didn't ACTUALLY press it or it is broken. I'll gladly take touch ID inside the screen over the new button but it's not an issue for me just yet. We'll see what software changes are made before I need to wear gloves this year.

 

[El Hikaru]

That Apple vs Samsung logo made me think Samsung sued Apple that they leaked inaccurate rumor.

 

[Hanzu Lao]

Easy there, big guy. GrumpyMom is one of the few reasonable voices in these forums. You've got no right to go after them or how they handle their family.

Keep it civil. GM is one of the few folks around here that readily moves between devices and can clearly articulate their pros and cons.

Or it's someone doing their psychology PHD here

 

[Analog Kid]

Or it's someone doing their psychology PHD here

Oh god, I'd hate to see what model of the human psyche was developed by mining these forums...

"Through extensive study of human subjects in the wild, and building detailed cognitive models though careful analysis of the underlying thought processes and social interactions, we believe we are witnessing a major speciation event as humanity splits into two incompatible genomes, hereafter referred to as Homo Samsungius and Homo Appelus. Each proto-species is best characterized by their choice and use of technological artifacts, divergent language structures, and marked hostility toward outsiders."

 

[Hanzu Lao]

Oh god, I'd hate to see what model of the human psyche was developed by mining these forums...

"Through extensive study of human subjects in the wild, and building detailed cognitive models though careful analysis of the underlying thought processes and social interactions, we believe we are witnessing a major speciation event as humanity splits into two incompatible genomes, hereafter referred to as Homo Samsungius and Homo Appelus. Each proto-species is best characterized by their choice and use of technological artifacts, divergent language structures, and marked hostility toward outsiders."

LOL

 

[realeric]

Apple iPhone 7 / 7 Plus loses again to Samsung's ISOCELL. Samsung packs QHD and still surpasses phones with 1080p and 720p in battery life.

Wow. Some people still think samsung note 7 has better screen resolution than iPhone 7 plus. Wow.

iPhone 7 plus = Red 401ppi, green 401ppi, blue 401ppi.
Samsung note 7 = Red 366ppi, green 518ppi, blue 366ppi.

iPhone 7 plus has better resolution and it doesn't BURN-IN.

 

[kdarling]

"The chairman of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission was more explicit when his agency announced an official recall on Thursday. He said the phone’s battery was slightly too big for its compartment and the tight space pinched the battery, causing a short circuit. ...

So a design flaw.

It sounds more like one supplier didn't make all their batteries to spec.

Obviously one supplier did it correctly, since the Note 7 units sent to China were fine with a differently sourced battery.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2016/09/galaxy-note-7-china-unaffected-battery/

 

[WiseAJ]

I have a feeling that they could make a lot of sales in the middle east with this design flaw.

 

[kdarling]

Indeed I found her post is enjoyable and at least she is objective and to the point not like some trolls like jasonklee or samcraig.

Let's be very clear. Attacking anyone... especially calling someone a troll.. is against forum rules.

It's also rude, crude and unattractive... and almost always means you can't think of any other rebuttal.

If you really think someone is trolling and causing trouble, use the report button and let the mods decide. Otherwise, let people decide for themselves.

Thanks and hopefully you'll contribute some useful, interesting comments.