Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone Banned From All U.S. Flights

[elistan]

What happens if:

- You're travelling without a phone
- You show another phone, but you also flying with a Note 7.

My guesses:
a) Nothing happens. You get on a plane and fly to your destination just like normal.
b) Then you're committing a crime. If it doesn't explode, you likely will not get caught and charged with anything. But if it does explode, or you otherwise get found out, you'll get charged with (I'm assuming, I'm no layer or law enforcement) disobeying an FAA order as well as deliberate endangerment of a plan full of people.

 

[kdarling]

So my question is how does all of this relate to devices stored in the hold? And have there been any cases of fires from a li-ion device in checked baggage bringing a plane down? Because I honestly hadn't considered that before.

Hi again. Remember how I've been saying that battery fires happen fairly often, and how there's been some close calls with checked baggage for passenger flights, and packages on cargo flights?

Well, I meant to post this for you and others before, but forgot.

It's a _partial_ list of representative lithium battery incidents reported to the FAA over the past twenty five years.(There were many more on this list when I looked at it about five years ago, but it keeps getting trimmed for brevity, and I guess to match modern relevancy.)

Anyway, it's fascinating and sobering reading, if you have a few minutes. PDF file.

Aviation Cargo and Passenger Baggage Events Involving Smoke, Fire, Extreme Heat or Explosion Involving Lithium Batteries or Unknown Battery Types - FAA

 

[cube]

b) Then you're committing a crime. If it doesn't explode, you likely will not get caught and charged with anything. But if it does explode, or you otherwise get found out, you'll get charged with (I'm assuming, I'm no layer or law enforcement) disobeying an FAA order as well as deliberate endangerment of a plan full of people.

I know that. The point in this case was that "show me your phone" is the wrong question and proves nothing.

 

[s1m]

No, it's petulance. Lots of macrumors members are celebrating. Don't deny it.

That's not the definition of petulance:

the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

 

[Tech198]

Actually no they likely aren't. This issue is battery related and iPhones and iPads use the same battery tech so they are probably getting hit with tons of questions about whether the new iPhones could also catch fire, especially from paranoids who refuse to actually believe it when they are told no about one of their crazy beliefs.

I think he means, "Apple is loving it" because it has not happened to them *yet*. The only difference is Apple wouldn't play into the media like other companies do.

I know that. The point in this case was that "show me your phone" is the wrong question and proves nothing.

Why wouldn't it prove nothing ?

 

[Tompkinson]

I know that. The point in this case was that "show me your phone" is the wrong question and proves nothing.

Well, that's settled then. Glad we can move on now.

 

[sinsin07]

What happens if:
- You're travelling without a phone

You board the plane.

- You show another phone, but you also flying with a Note 7.

If you're caught this happens:

It is now a federal crime to bring a Galaxy Note 7 onto an airplane
"Passengers who bring a Note 7 onto a plane are "subject to civil penalties of up to $179,933 for each violation for each day they are found to be in violation (49 U.S.C. 5123)," and could be prosecuted, which could "result in fines under title 18, imprisonment of up to ten years, or both (49 U.S.C. 5124)."

 

[cube]

Why wouldn't it prove nothing ?

Because even if they ask "show me ALL your phones" you still might be carrying or checked in a Note 7.

All it would prove is that it was your fault is something bad happens with it or is discovered later.
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You board the plane.

You assume that in this day and age they would believe you're not carrying a phone.

 

[sinsin07]

You assume that in this day and age they would believe you're not carrying a phone.

Its not clear why they would assume anything. You have to walk through a scanner.
If you truly have no phone and the TSA finds this suspicious they pull you out of the line and do a visual inspection of your carryons.
If nothing is amiss with the body scan or visual search then you proceed to board the plane.
Not clear why you're making a mountain out of molehill.

It almost sounds like you never flew before.

 

[cube]

Its not clear why they would assume anything. You have to walk through a scanner.
If you truly have no phone and the TSA finds this suspicious they pull you out of the line and do a visual inspection of your carryons. Then you proceed to board the plane.
Not clear why you're making a mountain out of molehill.

It almost sounds like you never flew before.

How many times do I have to say that we are talking about gate checks worldwide, not US security checkpoints?

 

[sinsin07]

How many times do I have to say that we are talking about gate checks worldwide, not US security checkpoints?

From the looks of your post below, that many times.

You're are all over the place with this.
Good luck

What happens if:
- You're travelling without a phone
- You show another phone, but you also flying with a Note 7.

They are not rethorical questions, I might fly with 0, 1, or 2 phones.

You still don't understand:
What happens if they ask you to show your phone and you don't have one? Do they let you board?

It is a perfectly good question. Security can be very thick.

That is a horrendous analogy.

It is not the same TSA wanting no guns through a checkpoint as a gate agent expecting everybody to board with non-Note7 phones.

We are not talking about cargo, but carry-on items.
In one case nobody is supposed to bring them, in the other everybody is.

Yes, but we are talking about carry on checks, and not even about bag searches.

We are not talking about security checkpoints but about verifications at the gate.

The poster said the gate agent asked people to show them their phone before boarding.
It is not banned in the vast majority of countries, even if specific airlines do.

I saw bans in Canada, and several international airlines, including 4 Australian.
That poster is based in Germany.

Yes, in the US it is a FAA ban.

It is a silly question with a non-obvious answer in our silly world.

I know that. The point in this case was that "show me your phone" is the wrong question and proves nothing.

Because even if they ask "show me ALL your phones" you still might be carrying or checked in a Note 7.
All it would prove is that it was your fault is something bad happens with it or is discovered later.
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You assume that in this day and age they would believe you're not carrying a phone.

How many times do I have to say that we are talking about gate checks worldwide, not US security checkpoints?

 

[normanfox]

I have a friend who has Note 7. I told him about this, and he said knew about it. but he said it won't return it. He has two daughters at home.

I love my iphone but I would never let my phone put my family in danger.

 

[forerunnerg34]

Competition is good for both companies. Apple is right not to talk about these incidents.

Well, Apple doesn't have to worry about iPhone 7, iPhone 6 has being used for a year and no problems with exploding batteries.

 

[Radon87000]

"Apple fans should...." is hyperbole.

If you read the first 4 pages of this thread we have people bashing Samsung left and right and making fun of them.Someone actually went to the trouble of making another account just to bash Samsung/Android fans.Yes Apple fans are most definitely enjoying this (for now)

 

[I7guy]

If you read the first 4 pages of this thread we have people bashing Samsung left and right and making fun of them.Someone actually went to the trouble of making another account just to bash Samsung/Android fans.Yes Apple fans are most definitely enjoying this (for now)

Samsung deserves all that criticism but that statement in a prior post as well as the above is still hyperbole.

 

[MacBergin]

The only way this could get any better is if its revealed that the cause of the fires ends up being somehow connected to the the headphone jack.

 

[GeneralChang]

That's not the definition of petulance:

the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

I keep hoping that if enough people tell him he's using the wrong word here he'll use a different word, but it's been pretty much fruitless thus far.

 

[Dethklok]

This is a shame. I was hoping to pick up a Note 7 for cheap as there's nothing that comes close to it's feature set. I'd need to bring it on a plane though.

 

[abotsis]

What if I declare it as a firearm? Can I check it then?

 

[rjohnstone]

What if I declare it as a firearm? Can I check it then?

Nope... this is considered an explosive device, not a firearm.
Explosive devices are prohibited from being transported on a civilian aircraft.
Even inert/dummy grenades and training mines are prohibited.

 

[Radon87000]

Samsung deserves all that criticism but that statement in a prior post as well as the above is still hyperbole.

If that statement is hyperbole what do you call this?

sssh. Hear that? That's the sound of a 1000 Samsung fanboys crying out while hitting the report button.

lol

Let's see, bladerunner2000 tried to take the high road, despite his entire post history being the very same thing he complains about, except against Apple. kdarling has tried changing the subject with correct but irrelevant facts. now we just need mi7tchy to post links from isolated iPhone fires from 2014 and radon87000 to unironically claim that the Note explodes from "too much innovation" (despite having quite literally nothing about it that's an innovation this year, other than exploding which is admittedly novel) and the circle of life is complete.

Ah yes, the MacBook deflections, Courage and holding it wrong cliches too. I forgot about those highly relevant topics in this, a thread about the unprecedented failure of Samsung.

Serious or parody? It's gotten to the point where it's impossible to tell at a glance.

Never mind. Checked post history and you're actually serious

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You're aware it's possible to read the forums without having an account, right? Amazing. I'm so packed with reading innovation I just might explode.

 

[I7guy]

If that statement is hyperbole what do you call this?

Seems fair to criticize Samsung without that criticism being called hyperbole. The media is deservedly blasting them.

 

[MRrainer]

Did they say anything about the actual quality and safety?

Don't really remember much. Article was from a while ago.
Capacity was severely limited in some cases - and "just" limited in all.

But as I said: with today's energy-densities, a battery severely limited in capacity is actually the best possible outcome.

 

[dwsolberg]

This is probably a good example of how jokes fail on the internet. For me to understand the joke, I need to know that the poster is reasonable person who is not ignorant. The post provides no clue of that. Unfortunately, as you likely know, there are people out there who honestly believe these things. The poster is actually making fun of those people, but without knowledge of his beliefs, it's difficult to get the joke.

 

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This is probably a good example of how jokes fail on the internet. For me to understand the joke, I need to know that the poster is reasonable person who is not ignorant. The post provides no clue of that. Unfortunately, as you likely know, there are people out there who honestly believe these things. The poster is actually making fun of those people, but without knowledge of his beliefs, it's difficult to get the joke.

The first clue would've been the fact that he was talking about an inanimate object.