Samsung's Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone Banned From All U.S. Flights

[WRChris]

Yes you are twisting facts, and defensive? Erm no, just pointing out the FACT YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BATTERYS ARE AT FAULT. You need to state these are your own hypothesised theories and opinions not based in any facts.

No I don't have to state that. I give sources if I'm citing something. If I'm talking using my own words and thoughts, I do not. But obviously it's theory, Samsung still doesn't even know what's going on. And yes buddy attacking someone for not liking what they have to say about something you like is being defensive


1 fact that I twisted to construct a narrative?

 

[apolloa]

No I don't have to state that. I give sources if I'm citing something. If I'm talking using my own words and thoughts, I do not. But obviously it's theory, Samsung still doesn't even know what's going on. And yes buddy attacking someone for not liking what they have to say about something you like is being defensive
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1 fact that I twisted to construct a narrative?

And yet you present your 'opinions' to attack what others state yourself as though you're 'opinions' are facts but that's alright? Bit if a hypocritical thought process there.

 

[WRChris]

Yes you are twisting facts, and defensive? Erm no, just pointing out the FACT YOU HAVE NO IDEA IF THE BATTERYS ARE AT FAULT. You need to state these are your own hypothesised theories and opinions not based on any facts.
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What the hell are you on about? I think you need to go and sit down as your posts have become random rants that make zero sense.

You throw apples name into every other conversation to compare how each handles a different situation. I'm saying a reception issue is not the same as an exploding phone. But I guess I should slow it down for you. I'm done getting criticized by a less intelligent person. Good day

 

[Tompkinson]

They are not rethorical questions

They were not rhetorical?
So you're just thinking out loud?
Or do you expect an answer from me?
I don't actually coordinate Airport Security at every airport all over the globe.

I might fly with 0, 1, or 2 phones.

Indeed you might.
Here's another "what if" for you:
- somebody might possess 2 Note7s, and only declares one.

Can you tell me what happens next? (That's a rhetorical question BTW)

 

[cube]

They were not rhetorical?
So you're just thinking out loud?
Or do you expect an answer from me?
I don't actually coordinate Airport Security at every airport all over the globe.



Indeed you might.
Here's another "what if" for you:
- somebody might possess 2 Note7s, and only declares one.

Can you tell me what happens next? (That's a rhetorical question BTW)

You still don't understand:

What happens if they ask you to show your phone and you don't have one? Do they let you board?

 

[apolloa]

You throw apples name into every other conversation to compare how each handles a different situation. I'm saying a reception issue is not the same as an exploding phone. But I guess I should slow it down for you. I'm done getting criticized by a much less intelligent person. Good day

Eh? I was responding to YOUR post regarding the iPhone 4, not mine, perhaps you are getting confused now with who has said what to you.
And insults will get you no where fast, you can grow up beyond the mental age of the playground when you are on here thank you very much. Keep them up and I'll report you.

 

[Tompkinson]

You still don't understand: What happens if they ask you to show your phone and you don't have one? Do they let you board?

You're funny.
Are you expecting an answer like: "If you do not possess a mobile phone you are no longer allowed to board an aeroplane" ?
Perhaps you would prefer me to invent anecdotes about how I witnessed senior citizens being beaten by local police for not having a mobile phone? Passengers being tasered for not removing the case which protects their mobile device?

If you REALLY want to know "what happens if": I suggest you book multiple airline tickets on various airlines and destinations, then attempt to board with one, two or no mobile devices.
Let us know how it goes.

“Thus it amounts to the same thing whether one gets drunk alone, has a Samsung Note7 or is a leader of nations.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre, Being and Nothingness

 

[Abazigal]

Actually your wrong, because they said they didn't know the cause of the fault AFTER the replacement devices had issues and NOT before, therefore they did not blatantly lie to anyone. I would call that as you mixing up the facts to suit your conspiracy theory.

Samsung was first made aware of a potential flaw in their Note 7 on 23rd September, and proceeded to offer replacement units on 27th September. You are talking about a 3-4 day testing period. I don't believe that Samsung was able to find the root of the problem, much less engineer a solution within that short a time. Samsung probably did not even get to test the replacement units to ensure that they were safe to use.

In hindsight, we can knock Samsung a lot for their mistakes, but at least use facts, not fiction.

Samsung never said they couldn't figure it out the first time, but did a recall anyway. That doesn't even make sense on any level.

No company on the planet would intentionally spend billions putting out a known problem a second time, since it would have to be recalled as well.

Instead, it's clear that Samsung THOUGHT they had figured it out the first time. Or at least, their upper management was told that by lower level people. Anyone who's worked anywhere has seen this kind of thing before.

This also doesn't pass any logic test. If profit was the only motive, they'd have waited for more testing in order to prevent the end result of having to stop all sales, which leaves no profits.

It says a lot when it ended up being the US carriers who made the call to stop selling the Note 7, rather than Samsung. Samsung would only announce the discontinuation of the Note 7 the following day, when the situation was clearly spiralling beyond their control, and continuing to not say anything would have been the far worse option.

Samsung was under pressure to beat the iphone 7, and this likely governed most, if not all of their subsequent decisions. Withholding their product from the market would have meant conceding the lucrative high-end market to Apple. The bean counters at Samsung probably decided that keeping the product on the market was the lesser of both evils. And that they could afford to deal with any fallout that ensued.

It was a calculated risk, but they bet wrong.

My take on the whole mess is that the younger incoming CEO, the son of the founder, has not yet learned to question his subordinates when they do the "yes" man thing. Occam's Razor.

It speaks to me of a general lack of strong leadership and clear direction, and a clear disregard for the user experience of the consumer and their overall safety.

 

[HEK]

How is a TSA agent going to stop this?

You can't ask people to look at their phone based on the phones color or the way it looks. That would be profiling and it is ILLEGAL!

B.S. It's not profiling. Because if that is then discriminating against containers over three ounces is also profiling.

 

[sinsin07]

Erm? It tells me they will lose a few billion dollars from this issue, and that makes a complete mockery of your theory.

No total recall of first debacle.
Quick turnaround on second release, which also failed.
Summation: Not enough time to effectively resolve issue, or even know if it was resolvable.
This is proven by the total cancellation and recall.
Which lead to Koh Dong-jing do this:

Why the fast turn around: Sales, i.e. Dollar Dollar bill

 

[theheadguy]

You still don't understand: What happens if they ask you to show your phone and you don't have one? Do they let you board?

No. All people flying without phones will be denied boarding. Wth question is this...

 

[cube]

No. All people flying without phones will be denied boarding. Wth question is this...

It is a perfectly good question. Security can be very thick.

 

[WRChris]

It is a perfectly good question. Security can be very thick.

It's an awful question, lol. TSA stops weapons from coming on the plane, what happens if people don't have weapons?

 

[Radon87000]

So let me see if I get your logic right.

By Samsung's own PR spin, the whole Note 7 fiasco began because Samsung rushed out their product and released it before it was ready.

And now, your solution is to have Samsung do the same thing all over again? Because the only way they can "pull out all the stops" and cram in more features than they planned to is do precisely that - pack their next phone "full of innovation" with new gimmicky hardware that may not work right (if we are lucky) and plain outright fail (if unlucky).

Nobody is saying the Note 7 doesn't have enough features or functionality. Samsung is now having an image crisis, and what it needs to do is restore confidence in the brand. And I don't think the right way to do that is with another product which might seem rushed or half-baked.

Apple is coming out with a bezel less edge to edge OLED iPhone next year.With the iPhone getting a radical overhaul,nothing less than a complete overhaul will work for Samsung too
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Load of hyperbole, in this post.

What hyperbole?

 

[cube]

It's an awful question, lol. TSA stops weapons from coming on the plane, what happens if people don't have weapons?

That is a horrendous analogy.

 

[WRChris]

That is a horrendous analogy.

How so?

 

[Abazigal]

Apple is coming out with a bezel less edge to edge OLED iPhone next year.With the iPhone getting a radical overhaul,nothing less than a complete overhaul will work for Samsung too
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What hyperbole?

I agree.

But overhauls do not happen overnight, and any massive revamp will likely not have been planned by Samsung prior to this incident. This means that Samsung may well be starting from scratch here, while Apple would have had years to refine the rumored new form factor.

Rushing out a brand new redesign may well just be creating new problems.

 

[WRChris]

How so?

I'm just saying if you don't have the phone, they aren't going to keep you from flying.

 

[cube]

How so?

It is not the same TSA wanting no guns through a checkpoint as a gate agent expecting everybody to board with non-Note7 phones.

 

[WRChris]

It is not the same TSA wanting no guns through a checkpoint as a gate agent expecting everybody to board with non-Note7 phones.

Well no it's not the same, weapons and notes are different but they are still banned cargo.

When going through metal detectors you place your phone in the bin with your shoes, belt, wallet,etc. No reason the notes couldn't be detected there. If passengers are intentionally hiding them in their luggage to avoid shipping costs, they should be prosecuted for putting the flight in danger over a 30$ shipping fee.

 

[cube]

Well no it's not the same, weapons and notes are different but they are still banned cargo.

We are not talking about cargo, but carry-on items.

In one case nobody is supposed to bring them, in the other everybody is.

 

[WRChris]

We are not talking about cargo, but carry-on items.

In one case nobody is supposed to bring them, in the other everybody is.

I edited my last post make sure to check that out in case it applies. Carry on bags are searched as well as cargo

 

[cmwade77]

Apple is loving this.

Not really, the sad part is statistically speaking, all phone models have about the same number of exploding models as the Note 7. The problem is that it has been so many so close together and that they gained such publicity that Samsung and the governments around the world had to act quickly.

That being said, most that use a Note 7 will not switch to Apple, they will go to another Android phone. Most likely the LG v20 or the Google Pixel. I doubt too many will stay with Samsung considering that they are only offering a $100 bill credit to do so. Given how long it takes to exchange or return a device (average is 1.5 hours), that little amount is a slap in the face.

 

[cube]

I edited my last post make sure to check that out in case it applies. Carry on bags are searched as well as cargo

Yes, but we are talking about carry on checks, and not even about bag searches.

 

[cmwade77]

You still don't understand:

What happens if they ask you to show your phone and you don't have one? Do they let you board?

You have to remove everything from your pockets and it all has to go through an xray machine. What does this mean? It means that they WILL see your phone. The xray machines can see the internals of your phone in many cases, so it would be easy enough for them to have a schematic of the internals of a Note 7 there for reference and taken closer look if they think one is a Note 7.

Some airlines have also indicated that they will make an emergency landing if someone does have a Note 7 on board somehow and that the person who brought it on board would be responsible for all associated costs, including other passengers delays.