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So you are calling Samsung shady, yet your devices are powered by the chips they make? You don't make any sense with your argument.

They do not make those chips. They manufacture them, because they do it cheap. Samsung has no talent to design modern SoC.

Because of that exynos crap the international version of the s3 won't ever see kitkat.
 
I'm fine with widespread patent infringement between large corporations. It's how progress is made and only leads to more innovation in order to get ahead. If it wasn't for Android, we'd still be without MMS (a "dying" technology, remember that argument 5 years ago?) or copy/paste. In the end, the consumer is the one who benefits.

You assume Apple introduced copy/paste because of competition just cos Android had it first but you couldn't be more wrong.

Not only did other devices have copy/paste before Android, including BB and even Apple's Newton, but did it ever occur to you that Apple delayed copy/paste so they could get it right the first time, unlike Google's original, half baked solution?

Not surprisingly, Android's copy/paste works a lot more like Apple's implementation now and all Android users are benefitting from Apple's more thoughtful approach to product development.
 
Nonsense. It's becoming increasingly obvious that Samsung has just adopted this as their business model. Steal other people's ideas and then pass them off as your own and tie the other guy up in court for years and then settle as late in the game as you can, rinse and repeat.

Sure, every company is guilty of this to some extent, but Samsung in in a whole other league. If you have some evidence that Apple does this kind of thing to anywhere near the extent that Samsung has, I'de love to see it.

I think the recent jury awards make it clear who is the 500 lb. gorilla when it comes to stealing other's ideas.

To me, it more shows that Apple would have patented the sneeze if they could have.

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They do not make those chips. They manufacture them, because they do it cheap. Samsung has no talent to design modern SoC.

Because of that exynos crap the international version of the s3 won't ever see kitkat.

Have you even used a device with an Exynos chip in it?
 
They do not make those chips. They manufacture them, because they do it cheap. Samsung has no talent to design modern SoC.

Because of that exynos crap the international version of the s3 won't ever see kitkat.

Ah, so we have now gone from the shady corporation to one who makes the components for dirt cheap, but they have no talent to design a SOC hahaha.

Where's that picture of those goalposts being moved gone to?
 
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All I can do is to pledge to never purchase a Samsung branded product for the rest of my life.
 
Wow. I own several Samsung products and several Apple products. Both manufacturers makes GREAT, highly-rated stuff. Interestingly, open up most Samsung hardware and you won't find any components made by Apple inside. But open up Apple hardware and you almost certainly will find part(s) made by Samsung. Cruise around threads even on this site and you'll see some of the people so vocal about the "thief" posting how they "hope they got the one with the Samsung screen" and similar.

If you're going to do what you said above, you're not buying any new Apple hardware indefinitely. Apple may have sued them (and vice versa) but they still buy a lot of the parts that make Apple stuff work from that very same "thief".

I've spoken about this before already. I consider the product as a whole, not through various parts that make up for it. When I have an issue with my iPhone or iMac, then I'll be dealing with Apple, not Samsung. That's the defining difference for me.
 
Absolutely zero surprises here. One has to wonder how they've managed to become such a tech giant without a single iconic product up their sleeve.

Samsung do more than make phones. They also make fridges, microwaves, dishwashers, clothes washers, dryers, computers, tablets, phones, home stereos, DVD players, TVs, monitors, cameras... the list is endless. They also make heavy plant equipment like excavators, diggers and forklifts. They even have an engineering department that design, engineer and build structures like the Incheon Bridge (pic)

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Samsung must be doing something right if all the Macrumor articles mention them by name.
But I really don't see Samsung being dominant in the near future because other Android competitors are making phones that are more desirable and flagship phones that are cheap enough to buy outright. The LG G3 on paper will be the phone to beat and the one plus one is a wonderful bargain.
And that's coming from someone that has owned 6 Samsung devices. It's all about Android.
 
Samsung do more than make phones. They also make fridges, microwaves, dishwashers, clothes washers, dryers, computers, tablets, phones, home stereos, DVD players, TVs, monitors, cameras... the list is endless. They also make heavy plant equipment like excavators, diggers and forklifts. They even have an engineering department that design, engineer and build structures like the Incheon Bridge (pic)

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Again, why post facts or information that doesn't support the crowd's objective here? Apparently, "we" will not buy those fridges, microwaves, dishwashers, clothes washers, et all. If we are in charge of heavy equipment purchases at our company, we will not buy heavy equipment from this "thief." If we have to cross that body of water, we will not use that bridge. If that's the only bridge, we'll just have to swim it or not go. Etc.

Unless, of course, the badge is scratched off and someone else's is attached. Our lifetime strike is apparently only driven by a sticker or piece of plastic (badge) that is visible. All hail the Apple ;)
 
Patent lawsuits shouldn't involve juries. These cases should be decided by a panel of judges who are expert in patent law and allow only one appeal.

The problem with Samsung is partially cultural. Historically, Asian culture doesn't view legal agreements as binding, but rather as guidelines that can be disregarded. It would help if Western courts would uphold legal standards and prevent companies like Samsung from selling products at all if they can't abide by the rules.

Yes, competition is good. Theft is not. Someone has to pay for innovation. If you can't innovate, you need to be willing to pay the lisensing fees for the patent.
 
To me, it more shows that Apple would have patented the sneeze if they could have.

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Have you even used a device with an Exynos chip in it?

Yes, for few weeks. It provides worse performance on every task on real world usage with some strange lag here and there, not to mention lack of support from devs and Samsung itself because it is a bad platform.

Of course, on select useless benchmarks, with every core at a maximum frequency that destroys the battery and deploied specially for those benchmarks, it might score an hair higher than other offerings.

Of course, no one will deny how superior the Qualcomm version of the S5 is compared with the exynos version.
 
Overhyped power hungry chips?

I didn't have that experience.

Yes, for few weeks. It provides worse performance on every task on real world usage with some strange lag here and there, not to mention lack of support from devs and Samsung itself because it is a bad platform.

Of course, on select useless benchmarks, with every core at a maximum frequency that destroys the battery and deploied specially for those benchmarks, it might score an hair higher than other offerings.

Of course, no one will deny how superior the Qualcomm version of the S5 is compared with the exynos version.

I didn't have that experience on the Exynos device I had. The biggest problem I ran into it was that Chrome loves RAM and they only put 2gb in it.
 
Wow. I own several Samsung products and several Apple products. Both manufacturers makes GREAT, highly-rated stuff. Interestingly, open up most Samsung hardware and you won't find any components made by Apple inside. But open up Apple hardware and you almost certainly will find part(s) made by Samsung. Cruise around threads even on this site and you'll see some of the people so vocal about the "thief" posting how they "hope they got the one with the Samsung screen" and similar.

If you're going to do what you said above, you're not buying any new Apple hardware indefinitely. Apple may have sued them (and vice versa) but they still buy a lot of the parts that make Apple stuff work from that very same "thief".

It's the way developed countries argue about their superiority: "commodities are c***". Connecting components through wires is WAY MORE innovative than bringing newer display technologies. It's a false meritocracy: "I'm an intelectual, but you'll execute."
 
Maybe it's a Korean company thing. Hyundais and Kias steal heavily from their German competitors.

Hyundai and Kia are the same companies, some of their newer cars have European touches because some of the designs were made in Europe.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/design...rto-sports-car-concept-2014-geneva-auto-show/

The critics use the Hyundai Genesis as an example of copying German design. Of course it looks German, it was designed by a German...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer

The same way Nissan has European looking cars due to their collaboration with Renault.

It's not a Korean thing.
 
How the hell are Samsung being allowed to get away with this? Something needs to be done to stop their incessant infringement of other companies valuable, innovative patents.

Yes, tell everyone not to buy Samsung products.
 
What are you talking about? Samsung is great at good enough manufacturing for dirty cheap, but they have no talent at all for design SoC.

Good enough manufacturing? They have some of the best fab plants outside of Intel. One of the reasons why Apple sticks with Samsung is because they're among the best at producing the best quality parts at the highest yields.
 
There are plenty of examples of other companies doing the same things. Take Apple for example. They infringed a heap of Nokia patents, dragged the litigation then settled. In the mean time Nokia went down. Apple dragged and settled other law suites too. Very few companies settle on the first day they get sued :p

On the other hand, if one were to take the Vanity Fair article seriously then the conclusion would be that Apple is in deep trouble. Sharp, Pioneer... now Apple.
 
On the other hand, if one were to take the Vanity Fair article seriously then the conclusion would be that Apple is in deep trouble. Sharp, Pioneer... now Apple.

On the plus side, even at the height of their game, they never had quite as much money to fall back on as Apple does. That, and when it comes to computers, people tend to be more brand loyal than they do with TVs.
 
Funny how there are a lot of people here hating on Samsung, and then the nearby thread is talking about how the MBA switched to a Sandisk SSD and it's slower than the Samsung.
 
Good enough manufacturing? They have some of the best fab plants outside of Intel. One of the reasons why Apple sticks with Samsung is because they're among the best at producing the best quality parts at the highest yields.

And what does that have to do with the fact that it is a corrupt corporation that makes companies like Lockheed Martin envy?
 
All I can do is to pledge to never purchase a Samsung branded product for the rest of my life.

You'd have to add Apple products to that list because in many of them the most important components are made by Samsung. You could try to switch from iPhone (Samsung made CPU, RAM, flash memory) to something like Sony or Motorola. You would probably be better of even if you switched from iPhone to Samsung Galaxy S phone because those (sold in U.S.) have Qualcomm processors (made by TSMC).
 
Hyundai and Kia are the same companies, some of their newer cars have European touches because some of the designs were made in Europe.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/design...rto-sports-car-concept-2014-geneva-auto-show/

The critics use the Hyundai Genesis as an example of copying German design. Of course it looks German, it was designed by a German...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer

The same way Nissan has European looking cars due to their collaboration with Renault.

It's not a Korean thing.

Kia and Hyundai are far from the same company. Hyundai owns 38.2% of Kia Motors. That's not a controlling interest. Hyundais and Kias look great, but they are completely ripped off.
 
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