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he's riled up for a different reason (if he even is) - same as I am. It's pretty frustrating to see either the same people (or not) post the same fallacies over and over as if posting them over and over will make them true. There are several "proof" points that some people use to illustrate this copying issue and yet they are and have been debunked or discussed several times using facts and documents vs opinions and hearsay, etc.

Don't confuse that emotionally involved with one that is emotionally involved with the company and/or product itself.

And don't introduce straw men into discussions. I never (nor did anyone else) say or imply "everyone who supports Apple somehow does? "

Keep using the same vocabulary words man, they sure help you out! :rolleyes:
 
No.

I said Android's notifications were an innovation of Apple's alerts and Apple's Notification Center is an innovation of Android's notification system.

Keep up, bro.

Is the HP Envy design an innovation of the MacBook Pro design? Are those Samsung iPhone clones innovations of the iPhone design? Android and iOS basically have the same button style and everything for the notification centers.
 
The jump from Android's notification center to the iOS notification center is much smaller than the leap between iOS alerts and Android's notification center. The iOS notification center is close enough to the Android one to be considered a copy, unless that info people gave me is true.

Well that's where opinion comes in. Lined up side by side and I'd say there is a clear improvement with iOS over Android's
 
It's one thing to take certain features and a few looks here and there. It's nearly impossibly today to come up with an entirely original product. But to just lazily take the most successful product out there and say "hey, lets do ours as close to this one as possible" down to so many details, it not fair to other companies like HTC, Nokia, RIM who are doing their own thing and trying to do it the right way.
 
And yet - no-one can come up with a SINGLE way of making a button bigger without increasing its size.

Until they do ... Samsung's argument is 100% correct on the posted example.

And nowhere is Apple claiming that Samsung stole the button.
Apple is showing this as one of many examples of how Samsung got to look at very aspect of the iPhone and iOS when changing design choices to look more like the iPhone.
But way to go and pick one thing out of context to try to make a point.
While doing exactly what you are accusing Apple of doing.
 
Is the HP Envy design an innovation of the MacBook Pro design? Are those Samsung iPhone clones innovations of the iPhone design? Android and iOS basically have the same button style and everything for the notification centers.

In my opinion, the Envy brings nothing new to what the MacBook Pro offers and therefore isn't an innovation. Envy, could theoretically be an innovation on HP's own products, but I don't know enough about their stuff to comment on that.

As for the iPhone clones, I argue in some cases they do innovate (bring something new), but in other cases they are copying. This is why the case focuses on certain aspects of the phone and not the entire thing.
 
While I wouldn't deny the "influence", it does show that at least Apple does it's homework and works to innovate and improve things.

Really? If we go my the example posted - that's no different than what Samsung has done. Right? Afterall - it shows that they did their homework and worked to innovate and improve things :confused:
 
Well - the challenge still stands. How would you make a button bigger without increasing the size ?

Come on ... there is only ONE way of doing it. Samsung recognised a problem, and proceeded to fix it the only way possible.

simple... shrink the handset, keep the actual button dimensions the same :)
 
Really? If we go my the example posted - that's no different than what Samsung has done. Right? Afterall - it shows that they did their homework and worked to innovate and improve things :confused:

No, if you go through the entire document and a post I made earlier, Samsung has literally tried to copy the iPhone, in a very systematic way. I don't think you've gone through the document, have you?
 
Get the facts right. Xerox invited Apple to study what they had (a computer with GUI, mouse etc.) since Xerox believed they cannot turn it into a profitable product. Apple studied it and made several changes to it to IMPROVE it. In return, Xerox was paid by Apple (stocks).

Quote from wikipedia:

The director of the Xerox PARC research center, John Seely Brown, after seeing a clip of the scene in which Gates and Jobs argue, stated in an interview that it was not entirely accurate. Steve Jobs was invited by PARC to view their technology in exchange for the ability to buy pre-IPO Apple stock.[11][12]

Don't rely on facts to help you. A lot of idiots still state that Microsoft owns Apple because of the caption at the end of Pirates of Silicon Valley. It never specified that Microsoft bought non-voting shares, a fact that can *easily* be heard by listening to Steve Jobs in the 1997 or 1998 Keynote where he came back. Once he said "non-voting," applause was thunderous.
 
Yeah - because it was used for emotional, not logical reasons.

PS: Challenge is still there, how would you make a button bigger without increasing its size ?
Anyone ?

Lol. Why does there has to be a button. That is point. Apple had a bigger button, Samsung could have easily said why don't we just get rid of it and get a better solution?

But no. iPhone had a button, S1 must have a button.
 
Conclusive and irrefutable evidence that Samsung have simply stolen the hard work and attention to detail of Apple's graphic design team. If you can't beat them, copy them.
 
DECEMBER 7th Pearl harbor attack date on Samsung Calendar App.

That was Japan, not Korea ...

Of course, but one must admit that is a pretty interesting date to put on an icon of a product competing with an american made product. (I'm Canadian if you think I'm a paranoid protectionist)

Perhaps just a dumb 1 in 365 chance.. but there had to be some intelligent engineer at Samsung who noticed!
 
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In my opinion, the Envy brings nothing new to what the MacBook Pro offers and therefore isn't an innovation. Envy, could theoretically be an innovation on HP's own products, but I don't know enough about their stuff to comment on that.

As for the iPhone clones, I argue in some cases they do innovate (bring something new), but in other cases they are copying. This is why the case focuses on certain aspects of the phone and not the entire thing.

OK, so wouldn't you say that Apple at least copied the notification center design from Android?
 
So friggin what!!

Samsung solves a problem that the button is too small by making it bigger?

Is that really some sort of amazing design copied off Apple ?

NO.

It is just common sense ?

Unless someone else here could come up with another way you can make a button bigger - that doesn't involve increasing the size ?

Keeping it the same size and making everything else smaller?
 
No, if you go through the entire document and a post I made earlier, Samsung has literally tried to copy the iPhone, in a very systematic way. I don't think you've gone through the document, have you?

I have. I just don't think it's as damning as others. I see it as a comprehensive competitor analysis document. Nothing all that outrageous or "smoking gun." Is the document a positive in Apple's defense - I am sure it raises suspicions and can be levied as such. I also believe that Samsung's lawyers can do a lot to minimize or neutralize that as well.
 
DECEMBER 7th Pearl harbor attack date on Calendar App.



Of course, but one must admit that is a pretty interesting date to put on an icon of a product competing with an american made product. (I'm Canadian if you think I'm a paranoid protectionist)

Perhaps just a dumb 1 in 365 chance.. but there had to be some intelligent engineer at Samsung who noticed!

They could've picked any other date and offended someone else lol. Heck, December 7 could be the founder's birthday, the day someone got laid, the first time Samsung broke 1 billion market cap, the list is infinite!
 
You gotta be kidding me...

Not only the Notification System has nothing to do with the alert system on the iPhone, but also the alert system is not Apple's invention...

Blind devotion can be harmful, you know.

You're wrong. The entire idea of creating a service through which applications could post "notifications" was first developed by Apple in a phone (the alerts). Android then took that and improved it to create the notification center, using the same concept.
 
I find this document a great lesson in UX design. It points out many usability changes that Samsung felt they fell short of doing in their devices. I can see this appearing as educational material in design courses to reinforce design concepts and how one company successfully implemented them and the other playing catch up.
 
God I'm so tired of seeing this misinformation by people.
Apple did not steal this from anyone and if anything notification center was made by the Jailbreak community long before it was out on Android and if anything else you could make a case that Google took that idea from the JB community.
Which incidentally Apple actually hired the designer and purchased the IP and company.
So it is a silly misinformed argument at best.

No. The Android notification center came first, and the jailbreaks mods were inspired by it. Don't go around calling people silly and misinformed when you yourself obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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