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Samsung's Massive Document Outlining How to Improve Galaxy S by Adopting iPhone Solutions Surfaces

craznar said:
You only need to come up with ONE WAY of making a button bigger without increasing the size, and I'll say in BIG letters I'm wrong.

Until then - the OP's example excerpt is an OBVIOUS decision and not ripping off anyone.
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Waiting for you to say you're wrong (although to be honest it's just because you have made such a big deal out of it, rather than any opinions on the Samsung/Apple debacle) ;)
 
Bezetos said:
But in this case why are you claiming that Android based their Notification System on Apple's alert system?
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I'm pretty sure I said Notification Center (the name that Apple calls their own notification system).

And like I said before.

Apple developed their version of the alert system (an innovation if you will), at which point Android came up with their version of an alert system (an innovation upon the alert system, INCLUDING Apple's), and finally Apple developed Notification Center (an innovation upon their prior alert system and Android's notification system).

You made me spell it out for you man :( I'm very disappointed.
 
samcraig said:
I have. I just don't think it's as damning as others. I see it as a comprehensive competitor analysis document. Nothing all that outrageous or "smoking gun." Is the document a positive in Apple's defense - I am sure it raises suspicions and can be levied as such. I also believe that Samsung's lawyers can do a lot to minimize or neutralize that as well.
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Even I don't know if it is a "smoking gun" or "damning evidence" pertaining to this case. But this is the best example to explain what "Slavishly copying" means.

And I really doubt if you've really "read" the document (I spent quite a lot of time, was just so amazed by it!).
 
euphlyusUNO said:
Even I don't know if it is a "smoking gun" or "damning evidence" pertaining to this case. But this is the best example to explain what "Slavishly copying" means.

And I really doubt if you've really "read" the document (I spent quite a lot of time, was just so amazed by it!).
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I've skimmed the first few pages. Does that count as reading the entire document? :p

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Oletros said:
No, this is wrong
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But a few people said...:rolleyes:
 
numlock said:
no you just start a computer company (though drop computer from the name) and innovate by implementing ideas that you saw at xerox

then advertise by using the slogan "think different"
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Is that the case though? There's a difference between seeing something shoddy and making it great (innovation) vs seeing something great, and copying it.
 
deputy_doofy said:
Don't rely on facts to help you. A lot of idiots still state that Microsoft owns Apple because of the caption at the end of Pirates of Silicon Valley. It never specified that Microsoft bought non-voting shares, a fact that can *easily* be heard by listening to Steve Jobs in the 1997 or 1998 Keynote where he came back. Once he said "non-voting," applause was thunderous.
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This is just the *easiest* example I can give. There are several other sources (other than the movie and wiki) that provide the same info.
 
ristlin said:
Well that's where opinion comes in. Lined up side by side and I'd say there is a clear improvement with iOS over Android's
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ORLY?

So you can use the notification slider in iOS to toggle hardware behavior?

Just asking, because I love being able to toggle WLAN, Bluetooth, GPS, Auto-Rotation and so on from my notification slider. And I love to control the MP3-Player app via the notification slider.

And I also think it's damn elegant to have top bar icon displaying which type of notification was triggered. Is that also in iOS? I don't know. All I know is that Windows Phone doesn't offer that depth of info.
 
abhishake said:
Is that the case though? There's a difference between seeing something shoddy and making it great (innovation) vs seeing something great, and copying it.
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Some people don't know the difference between copying, innovating, and inventing. It's surprising really. They are sitting at a computer and can easily look up the definition. :confused: I have, several times, just in case!
 
euphlyusUNO said:
You're wrong. The entire idea of creating a service through which applications could post "notifications" was first developed by Apple in a phone (the alerts). Android then took that and improved it to create the notification center, using the same concept.
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You do realise that Android's Notification System was created before Apple's Push Notifications?

So sorry Sir, but you are wrong.
 
dukeblue91 said:
notification center was made by the Jailbreak community long before it was out on Android
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False, at least if you say that someone else is misinformed you have to be sure of what you're saying.

Android notification center was shown on February 2.008, the first JB notification center was shown on August 2.008
 
swagi said:
ORLY?

So you can use the notification slider in iOS to toggle hardware behavior?

Just asking, because I love being able to toggle WLAN, Bluetooth, GPS, Auto-Rotation and so on from my notification slider. And I love to control the MP3-Player app via the notification slider.

And I also think it's damn elegant to have top bar icon displaying which type of notification was triggered. Is that also in iOS? I don't know. All I know is that Windows Phone doesn't offer that depth of info.
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That's why I said a matter of opinion.

Please, read what I said before you get offended! :eek:
Obviously, I would love those things too, but I don't really toggle those as much and I find that iOS's notification system is more useful for day to day stuff that I deal with. We have limited space and in my opinion, Apple's system does a great job dealing with that.

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Bezetos said:
You do realise that Android's Notification System was created before Apple's Push Notifications?

So sorry Sir, but you are wrong.
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You still made me spell out my stuff though! :(
 
euphlyusUNO said:
Even I don't know if it is a "smoking gun" or "damning evidence" pertaining to this case. But this is the best example to explain what "Slavishly copying" means.

And I really doubt if you've really "read" the document (I spent quite a lot of time, was just so amazed by it!).
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You really doubt I read it? Ok. I doubt you've read it. See how that works. Why do you think I might care whether or not you believe I read it?

And while the document might show "slavishly copying" to you - you're not the judge or on the jury so we'll have to see what they think when they issue a verdict. As for me - I don't think the document defines "slavishly" copying. Then again - I've see dozens of competitor analysis reports and presentations like this before.
 
Renzatic said:
No. The Android notification center came first, and the jailbreaks mods were inspired by it. Don't go around calling people silly and misinformed when you yourself obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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Moot, if this gets granted :

http://www.google.com/patents/US20090249247

Apple can try to find prior art to get it invalidated or license it, whichever is cheaper/doable.
 
Can someone post the PDF, the link doesn't seem to be working anymore! Thanks!
 
craznar said:
For the same reason any company looks at the competition.

Remember when Apple was designing their antennas for the Iphone 4.

Remember how they were comparing their products in the LAB with other phone's performance.

Remember how they even used that information, complete with competitor phones - in the release presentations.

It meant Apple was looking at the competition, it didn't mean they were stealing antenna designs.
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Exactly but the iPhone 4 has a different antenna than the other phones, a BETTER one. All Samsung did is match what the iPhone had. Not improve it
 
euphlyusUNO said:
You're wrong. The entire idea of creating a service through which applications could post "notifications" was first developed by Apple in a phone (the alerts). Android then took that and improved it to create the notification center, using the same concept.
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You're confusing push notifications on iOS with notification center on Android. Totally unrelated things and, by the way, notification center was shown before push notifications
 
Bezetos said:
Could you explain to me how is iOS's notification system more useful than Android's notification system, because I don't really see any advantages.
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You going to make me spell it out too man? Seriously? How about this time, you try on your own :)
 
Renzatic said:
Don't go around calling people silly and misinformed when you yourself obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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Like yesterday when you said "Poor ole Susan Kare got absolutely torn up by Samsung's lawyers on cross examination?"
 
abhishake said:
Is that the case though? There's a difference between seeing something shoddy and making it great (innovation) vs seeing something great, and copying it.
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^^^This

The stuff Steve (and Bill) saw at Xerox PARC was, by all accounts, quite raw, closer to proof of concept than anything commercial. I mean, in PARC's GUI you couldn't have overlapping windows. Apple took the germ of an idea they had and made it into something great (menu bars, trash, etc). And to remove any doubt, Xerox got compensated with pre-IPO shares.

Unlike Samsung, which clearly panicked about how good the iPhone was and copied it because that was the only thing they could do (bc they had nothing to compete with it).
 
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