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Suggest people learn to read and understand what a car mount is. Fanboys just trying to distract from the subject of Face ID is more dangerous since it requires taking eyes of the road to unlock vs fingerprint/Touch ID that doesn't. Anyone who claims they haven't used in-car navigation is lying. Mounted voice activated GPS is legal except Face ID should be banned.

People shouldn't use their phones while driving period. It's not about FaceID or TouchID. It's not about hands-free vs. not hands-free. It's not even about having your eyes off the road for a split second. It's an unsafe activity period. I realize there are those who feel they're supermen and can do 12 other things while driving a vehicle, but at best they're fooling themselves, and at worst, their attitude will kill someone eventually.

Do some research. Phone usage while driving is a HUGE problem. There is really no safe ways to use a phone while driving. It's a really, really bad idea.
 
I know that the A12 is faster and more power efficient on paper, but that’s why I find it a bit surprising that the latest Android phones still seems to beat it. Is it due to longer animations on the iPhone?

Also battery life on the iPhones doesn’t seem to affected by the power effectiveness of the A12 if I remember the graphs I’ve seen from tests on Anandtech correctly, what would be the reasoning for that? The argument for the good battery life in their IPhone XR review came from the display being “different” (low res I guess) not as much the A12 being power efficient (although they did credit that too):

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13912/the-apple-iphone-xr-review-brilliant-battery-life/5
Opening an app doesn't at least imo, constitute faster. Because some of that is dependent on how the app opens up and how animations for the app are set on both platforms. As the (some anecdotal) data suggests, a definition of faster is based on the measurements involved. Battery life, as noted, is also based on varied factors.

My point and the way I value such things are based on my use cases of objective data, turned into a subjective opinion.
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Suggest people learn to read and understand what a car mount is. Fanboys just trying to distract from the subject of Face ID is more dangerous since it requires taking eyes of the road to unlock vs fingerprint/Touch ID that doesn't. Anyone who claims they haven't used in-car navigation is lying. Mounted voice activated GPS is legal except Face ID should be banned.
The "fanboy" nonsense does go both ways and really needs to stop. To be noted in many jurisdictions interacting with a phone can get you a ticket. That would include fingerprint sensor as well.
 
Except for the things that matter like single core performance and performance/watt.

How does synthetic benchmark performance help with real world applications? For example, can it software decode VP9 YouTube videos above 1080p that even newest iPad Pro is still limited to? For comparison, a six year desktop CPU can do 4Kp30 VP9 YouTube software decoding.

Performance/watt isn't a thing when iPhone Xr and even XS Max trail the competition. Apple really need to up their game.

 
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Here comes the lies already. The Snapdragon 855 has been decimating the A12 Bionic in every speed test other than 1 or 2 that were probably manipulated for Apple to win. Come on Mac Rumers. Keep the honesty please.
LOL
 
How does synthetic benchmark performance help with real world applications? For example, can it software decode VP9 YouTube videos above 1080p that even newest iPad Pro is still limited to? For comparison, a six year desktop CPU can do 4Kp30 VP9 YouTube software decoding.

Performance/watt isn't a thing when iPhone Xr and even XS Max trail the competition. Apple really need to up their game.

This really depends on your definition of "trail" and how you want to measure it. I guess some measure it by limitations of youtube videos on an ipad pro. To each their own.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...red-to-iphone-xr.2173497/page-4#post-27184700

In these days of battery packs these types of battery tests don't show much either. If for example, my max lasts three days with a battery pack, why would a youtube video be of interest?
 
I guess the camera cut out on the S10 line is the lesser of the two evils compared to The Notch, but I still hate the idea of having some physical distraction on the screen. They both seem equal beyond that.

My 7+ has made it two years and none of these new phones seem very appealing yet, maybe next year. Hopefully some fancy voodoo under screen cameras will be a thing by then.
 
I really like the S10e, even considered buying myself to give Android a try, but I found the switch would just be way too much work and I would lose more than I would gain. Great phone though and probably the one I would choose if I wanted a Samsung/Android. I am looking forward to going back from the 6.5 iPhone to the 5.8. I think it's the perfect size.
I’m in the same boat—-just too locked with Apple. If I were going to switch, I’d switch to the Note 10, however
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You missed some things.

- Qualcomm vs Intel baseband radio
- 1080p vs near 720p
- OLED vs LCD
- virtually same display area while being physically smaller
- better battery life without near 720p compromise
- 128GB base storage vs 64GB
- micro SD storage expansion vs none
- better future proofing with 6GB vs 3GB DRAM
- 3.5mm audio jack vs none
- additional wide angle camera vs none
- reverse wireless charging for earbuds/watch vs none
- included fast charger vs slow charger
- included accessories vs none
- IP68 vs IP67
- more versatile OS with much fewer restrictions
- nicer design and build quality that doesn't look Fisher Price
- more convenient fingerprint biometric that doesn't require taking eyes off the road while driving
BUT...you have to use Android.
 
"Which company did a better job making an affordable device that still has all of the modern tech one might want in a smartphone? Let us know in the comments."
Was that a rhetorical question?
 
How does synthetic benchmark performance help with real world applications? For example, can it software decode VP9 YouTube videos above 1080p that even newest iPad Pro is still limited to? For comparison, a six year desktop CPU can do 4Kp30 VP9 YouTube software decoding.

Performance/watt isn't a thing when iPhone Xr and even XS Max trail the competition. Apple really need to up their game.


Earlier this year, I filmed a couple of videos on my iphone and wanted to stitch them together using iMovie before uploading it to YouTube. It was barely chugging along on my iPhone 8+ for some reason, so I airdropped the clips to my ipad and repeated the process, and my ipad pro’s A12X chip chewed through it like butter.

And if I recall correctly, iOS devices being limited to 1080p youtube isn’t an issue of processor power, but Apple opting not to support the VP9 codec that youtube uses. Because Protube (a 3rd party youtube app) was in fact capable of displaying 4K youtube playback somehow before it was taken down.
 
Here comes the lies already. The Snapdragon 855 has been decimating the A12 Bionic in every speed test other than 1 or 2 that were probably manipulated for Apple to win. Come on Mac Rumers. Keep the honesty please.
While I am terribly disappointed in MR's journalistic quality going down over the last several years, I do understand why. Creating drama, even artificial drama, is great for sites like this. More clicks/refreshes equals more ad exposure to those who don't run adblockers. And in an age where most run some form of adblocking, you want every bit of help you can get.

Far be it from me to criticize Arnold and his staff for doing this, because I'd do the exact same thing and relish the banter.

I spent a few days playing with an XR and have been toying with an XS Max for over a month and I generally like them but find them to not fit my needs of what I want out of a mobile device. iOS isn't for me. I find it quite limiting in what I can do. I also much prefer how light the S10 series is compared to the XS Max, especially the XR which is a whopper.
 
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It still baffles me that Apple went out of their way and spent all of that R&D money to purposely develop an inferior phone to fill the "affordable" price point. And LCD screen. In 2018. For $750. Are you kidding. They didn't even keep the X around and sell it cheaper.

Does anyone have any evidence as to if the XR was created (with an LCD screen) due to display panel supply concerns or was it just total greed?

Many people prefer LCD to OLED because of ocular issues or migraines. I'm not sure whether that was a factor in Apple's decision, but it's definitely important to people who face those issues.
 
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XR because of the OS. At least I’m confident enough to do online banking on my XR instead of using an android phone.
 
It still baffles me that Apple went out of their way and spent all of that R&D money to purposely develop an inferior phone to fill the "affordable" price point. And LCD screen. In 2018. For $750. Are you kidding. They didn't even keep the X around and sell it cheaper.

Does anyone have any evidence as to if the XR was created (with an LCD screen) due to display panel supply concerns or was it just total greed?
You want to know the reason Samsung didn’t include the 5g chip in every s10 model? Total greed. It’s easy to throw some words in a post. Much more difficult to understand the marketing rational of these companies and the demographic information they collected about their target customers.
 
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Any phone with a headphone jack is by default the better phone.
Hey, headphone jacks… I remember those! What a blast from the past. You used to have to run a wire from your phone to a set of earphones, kind of like those old-fashioned telephones where the handset was connected by a wire to the receiver. I love quaint old technology from yesteryear.
 
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Everything is relative these days.

I agree. Honda Civics also dont start at $15k anymore like the late 2000s, more like $20k; a 33% increase. Everything is more expensive as time goes on

And the Xr is not a "budget" device like a $300 Chinese phone is with mid-tier specs. An Xr with an A9, 2gb RAM, 64gb storage, no glass back or wireless charge would be comparable to a "budget" device. The A9 is still better than what is in the Chinese budget phones too.

And then it is still not comparable because Android the OS costs $0. That Chinese budget device is never getting an official update, and the manufacturer is not going to maintain it much. Unlike iOS which is maintained for 4-5 years on devices and not free to Apple to update and maintain.

Then there are other factors. How many years is Samsung going to support the 10e? 1 maybe 2? so is that better "value" over time if you plan to keep it verus and iphone that you can get updates for 4-5 years?

And what about resale value? Is buying a $750 Samsung device worth $300 next year better value than an Xr that may be worth $550-600 resale in the long run? Who spent "more" in reality?

Its the same thing with a budget Chinese phone. What do people tihnk you will get in a year or 2 for a cheapo $300 phone? $50, maybe $100? Is that any "better value" than the $150-200 lost owning the Xr in the life of ownership?

People seem to forget these types of factors easily and just focus on up-front price. Despite upgrading yearly, I cannot remember ever an iphone "costing me" more than $150-200 after reselling it over that year of usage out of it; considering that buik of the money was recovered.
 
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Let's not forget it's also less expensive. Unfortunately you can't take a comparison review on this site seriously. I didn't even need to read it to know it was going to be incredibly biased. The XR has face ID, iOS and maybe the A12 processors is better? Honestly haven't looked at any speed test comparisons.

iOS vs Android to me at this point a is subjective, personal preference and how locked you are in the ecosystem (more so Apple as can pretty much live in the Google ecosystem on an iPhone/Mac).

If you are indifferent about the operating system/ecosystem the S10e has the better overall specs and features vs the XR. Unfortunately for Samsung and other Android device makers it's hard to get Apple users to want to switch.
It’s not less expensive when you consider resale and the Android phones are worth $200 in 12 months.

Also, iPhones have longer useable lifespans, are more durable, and are actually supported by Apple with both hardware and software.
 
Hey, headphone jacks… I remember those! What a blast from the past. You used to have to run a wire from your phone to a set of earphones, kind of like those old-fashioned telephones where the handset was connected by a wire to the receiver. I love quaint old technology from yesteryear.

Oh no, a cable! How terribly inconvenient!

As opposed to garbage sounding wireless headphones that require them being charged that don't last long, cost a fortune and will inevitably be useless once the battery doesn't hold a charge.

Derp.
 
Apple made a bad bet on more expensive phones and now everyone who wasn’t a diehard is aware that there are other good phone companies making better phones for the same price level or less

Better is highly subjective. It's not about just hardware specs or just software specs or even the combination of the two of them if the end result is still not doing what someone wants, or if it's unreliable, or hard to use.

I think Apple is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are investing huge amounts of money into engineering the internals of the phone. Unlike other companies that buy stock processors (ie. Snapdragon), Apple engineers its own CPUs that perform just as well with fewer resources (RAM, etc.). That matters. But it costs money.

Apple has clearly stated they do not build low-margin bottom-feeding products. The latest Mac mini is an example of that. People complain about the low specs of the Mac mini, so Apple comes out with a high-spec mini, but with that comes a higher price. Then people complain about the price. Ironically, I'm complaining about the price, but found the specs to be sufficient. Apple just can't win, nor can every segment of their customer base.
 
The S10e is by a landslide a better phone than the XR in pretty much every way, except iOS and Face ID.

In fact, the S10e is a better phone than the S10. No curved edges on the screen (no accidental touches and angle based color issues), great form factor, and reliable well placed biometrics. It even offers the same performance and display quality.

I don’t understand why they decided to make the second camera the wide angle instead of the telephoto, that’s the main design choice of the S10e I don’t think was smart.

Luckily I love my iPhone X and don’t feel the need to upgrade or switch for a while. But if apple doesn’t offer a smaller, more fully featured model in the $800 range they are going to loose a lot of people to this phone as it’s clearly the better option over the XR, which was outdated before it was even launched.
According to Samsung not many people use the telephoto lens and that's why they didn't put it in the S10e
 
The S10e looks nice, there is no denying that. It being smaller then the Xr also earns it extra points in my books. It has been evident for a few years now that Apple is going to have to really work hard to stay ahead of the Android manufacturers.

I don't know if I would consider the Samsung though, if I my current phone was dying. For one, I don't want to deal with another platform - let's just call it laziness, and more to the heart of the matter for both platforms, I just don't care anymore. I carry my phone less and less. I don't make calls when travelling, driving, hiking, running, cycling, etc. Nor do I want to be interrupted. I am clearly in the minority, and might well forever be there, but I moved on from the phone as a hub to mobile life, to disconnecting this 'mobile life' - it adds no value to my life. I use wearables for training, but that is it for me.

I will 'sync' with the connected world when I get home.

I should note that the phone manufacturers themselves helped push me this way when the phones grew into bricks, and Garmin allowed me to complete the transition to a phone-less mobile life.
 
You missed some things.

- Qualcomm vs Intel baseband radio
- 1080p vs near 720p
- OLED vs LCD
- virtually same display area while being physically smaller
- better battery life without near 720p compromise
- 128GB base storage vs 64GB
- micro SD storage expansion vs none
- better future proofing with 6GB vs 3GB DRAM
- 3.5mm audio jack vs none
- additional wide angle camera vs none
- reverse wireless charging for earbuds/watch vs none
- included fast charger vs slow charger
- included accessories vs none
- IP68 vs IP67
- more versatile OS with much fewer restrictions
- nicer design and build quality that doesn't look Fisher Price
- more convenient fingerprint biometric that doesn't require taking eyes off the road while driving

You make some viable points. But man I feel like I’ve gone back 15 years to the Mac vs PC era.

Some of things you mention are personal preference. Like physical size, “nicer OS”, headphone jack, “nicer” design.

We also know iPhones typically last significantly longer than any Samsung despite lower RAM. Because of a better OS, And stop using your phone while driving before you kill someone.
 
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