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It still baffles me that Apple went out of their way and spent all of that R&D money to purposely develop an inferior phone to fill the "affordable" price point. And LCD screen. In 2018. For $750. Are you kidding. They didn't even keep the X around and sell it cheaper.

Does anyone have any evidence as to if the XR was created (with an LCD screen) due to display panel supply concerns or was it just total greed?

The XR represents Apple's greed in the extreme. They made it purposefully thick with big bezels just to differentiate it from the XS. And yes, an LCD phone for that price in 2019 is a joke. All they're doing is taking advantage of the fact that 90% of people don't know any better.
 
I really like the S10e, even considered buying myself to give Android a try, but I found the switch would just be way too much work and I would lose more than I would gain. Great phone though and probably the one I would choose if I wanted a Samsung/Android. I am looking forward to going back from the 6.5 iPhone to the 5.8. I think it's the perfect size.
Oh wow. One thing we agree on. 5.8" is just such a sweet spot for a phone, I could happily keep using it ad infinitum.

Speaking of Samsungs, the S10 range is great, Android as an OS has matured to the point where I wouldn't mind daily driving it at all. But the apps, damn, the Android equivalents of iOS apps are like 5 years behind. I set up the S10 for a family member, and since I had the phone for a night downloaded a few apps that I use regularly to compare. It was a mess, like using a high school project version of an established app. That's why I could never make the switch.
 
Samsung actually never had much competition for the S series. Samsung Galaxy S users are annual upgraders, and they will continue upgrading their S phones every year.
What Samsung is losing is mid to low end, where Samsung is decimated by the Chinese. The mid to low end is the larger part of Samsung market share, and Samsung saw a huge drop. That’s why we are seeing the new M series and a rebooted A series.
It’s actually the S series that is seeing the most decline in sales due to stiffer competition (which incidentally is Samsung’s most profitable line).

The existing Apple versus Samsung smartphone sales dynamic is not going to change because of these new Galaxy S10 devices. Sales will likely continue to decline, due to Samsung suffering from both a longer upgrade cycle just like everyone else, as well as market share losses.

Samsung is being crushed by smartphone competition across the board. If you thought the decline in iPhone sales was bad, next quarter will be a bloodbath for Samsung.
 
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Here comes the lies already. The Snapdragon 855 has been decimating the A12 Bionic in every speed test other than 1 or 2 that were probably manipulated for Apple to win. Come on Mac Rumers. Keep the honesty please.

Maybe you can manipulate MacRumors into allowing you to correct your misspelling of ‘rumers’.
 
It’s actually the S series that is seeing the most decline in sales due to stiffer competition (which incidentally is Samsung’s most profitable line).

The existing Apple versus Samsung smartphone sales dynamic is not going to change because of these new Galaxy S10 devices. Sales will likely continue to decline, due to Samsung suffering from both a longer upgrade cycle just like everyone else, as well as market share losses.

Samsung is being crushed by smartphone competition across the board. If you thought the decline in iPhone sales was bad, next quarter will be a bloodbath for Samsung.

Your are correct. News out of Korea is that s10 pre sales are weaker than the s9 and that phone was a disaster for Samsung.


Does anyone actually believe the s10e will sell more than the xr?
 
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If the Xr looked more like the s10e, I would have replaced my 6s.

To my taste, the Xr is horribly clunky.
 
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Of course S10e is better it has an headphone jack, base storage of 128gb along side with expandable storage with MicroSD and the best of all the OLED HDR 10+ screen for literally the same price as the iPhone XR. Imagine still selling an LCD screen phone for over priced $749. Don’t forget Samsung also includes headphones and a fast charger in the box so you don’t have to spend more money for dongles/fast charger.
 
Lots of people in the comments section seem to be saying that using an LED screen rather than oled is greed by Apple and massively inferior. We all read tech blogs and focus on headline specs such as the display tech and PPI.
My experience as someone that tries different phones frequently (and recently had the S10 and currently has an XR and XS Max ((trying to decide which one to sell))) is that the XR's screen is extremely good.
I would go as far as to say that, to my eyes, the XR is almost indiscernible from the XS Max. Additionally, the XR's battery is better than the XS Max and considerably better than the S10.
Perhaps it boils down to how good your eyesight is and how close you hold the phone to your face, but I have not noticed any pixelation on the XR, and actually prefer the white balance on the XR to the XS Max.
Samsung's screens are brilliant, but I'm not sure much else about their phones are remarkable really.
 
It's not hard once you see how great the Galaxy s10 phones are. This guy has been an iPhone user for years and hes blown away by the s10 Plus phone.

It’s ok.. we understand you love your Samsung so much that you cannot even get embarrassed after citing a benchmark that clearly shows the Samsung chip’s weakness.
But using some YouTube hipsters as “proof” should have told you to just stop it.
Btw even if Samsung was able to build fast chips they’d still spoil it with Android.
They will even spoil the good things about Android with their own crappy software.
 
Opening an app doesn't at least imo, constitute faster. Because some of that is dependent on how the app opens up and how animations for the app are set on both platforms. As the (some anecdotal) data suggests, a definition of faster is based on the measurements involved. Battery life, as noted, is also based on varied factors.

It doesn’t necessarily mean the chip is faster, but ”real world” useage is faster no matter if it’s due to software “limitations” or not. No?


How does synthetic benchmark performance help with real world applications? For example, can it software decode VP9 YouTube videos above 1080p that even newest iPad Pro is still limited to? For comparison, a six year desktop CPU can do 4Kp30 VP9 YouTube software decoding.

Performance/watt isn't a thing when iPhone Xr and even XS Max trail the competition. Apple really need to up their game.


Really interesring that the XR fell behind the XS Max in this case. The XR test on Anandtech shows the battery life of the XR is suppused to be better, even Apple claims this. At least it seems that Samsung with the high capacity batteries in the Galaxy 10 series seem to have the upper hand currently in real world “mixed” usage – despite the A12 being so much more power efficient.
 
Samsung is now really closing the gap with the iPhone - and surpassing Apple in many ways, as many here have said. Each year, Samsung keeps on getting better and better and so does Android too (and Samsung’s version of it is pretty good too).

Looking at the S10 line up it strikes me what poor decisions Apple made in 2018 with their phones.

A cheaper modern iPhone at the size of the S10E is conspicuously missing from Apple’s line up (I guess though you could say that the X fills that - but it’s from 2017 and available from Apple’s carriers only and as only as a refurb from Apple).

The screens that Apple uses are becoming a real weak point too. I’d go for the screen of the S10E over the XR any day.

Having said that, I’m not about to buy a new Samsung. I’m not about to buy a new iPhone either.

To me the 2018 iPhone product portfolio said more about what Apple thought would make them meet their quarterly figures (and what they thought that they could push people to purchase) than them wanting to provide a wide variety of phone choices for their customers.
 
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For seniors I still recommend iOS since too much versatility and too many features can be confusing. Android is better for the tech savvy that use their phone like a computer. If you don't know or care about DeX, emulators, Kodi, torrent clients, background multitasking, split screen multitasking, PiP, unix shell, etc. then Android for phone isn't for you.

There is probably some truth in this. I use my Apple hardware to run a small business. The combination of phone, watch and tablet is important to me. Does anyone apart from kids use their smartphone in isolation anymore? Things like continuity and handoff are important to me and help my business run smoothly and make me a living. I’ve used android in the past and would happily switch if they had a watch, phone & tablet combo that work equally as well.

If you are a kid that wants to play games and fool around on social media then yes, I can see that this phone might be a better option for you.
 
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I wish Apple would make a phone like the s10e, so light and nice for one handed use and no notch, which keeps distracting me/turning me off. The only thing that stopped me was I do not know the gestures and things and right now, $750 is more than I want to spend for any phone.

Once mom is used to her 6s+ (will skip buying a phone direct from Verizon again) and the sales hit, I might get one of these on sale at Best Buy: Providing no trade ins and I can pay in full.
 
After using the S10 for just over a week now, I can say that it really is gorgeous hardware, but Android hasn’t really improved since I last used it (Note 7). For some reason I’m even having issues with basic notifications not coming through, or coming through late compared to my iPX, NHL, PlaneFinder, even emails. Shoddy really.
I also underestimated how much I would miss iMessage and Find my Friends. I’ll be returning the phone today, maybe I’ll try out the Note 10 in a couple of months.
 
Objectively wrong. iPhone 5 was hideous compared to the Samsung Galaxy at the time. One, the Home button was a circle so you had bigger bezels. Second, Apple used cheap aluminum that chipped and flaked. Third, Apple used glass panels for the top and bottom which is FUGLY, just like the antenna lines on the 6.

The iPhone 4 was a far better design (for it's time) than the 5, it still looks premium today where the 5 looks "ok". I currently use an SE and still have those phones so I can see them next to each other.

I'll likely be buying a Galaxy S10e today though, Apple have given up on small phones so we're getting nothing smaller than the X going forwards, the S10e is only marginally smaller but doesn't skimp on things like headphone jack, still has a touch sensor which I prefer to face ID and because I don't particularly want a large phone but want something more modern than my 3 year old SE it doesn't irk as much spending £670 on it rather than £1000 for the XS.
 
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Suggest people learn to read and understand what a car mount is. Fanboys just trying to distract from the subject of Face ID is more dangerous since it requires taking eyes of the road to unlock vs fingerprint/Touch ID that doesn't. Anyone who claims they haven't used in-car navigation is lying. Mounted voice activated GPS is legal except Face ID should be banned.
Of course, an Android phone can be unlocked in the presence of the car's Bluetooth signal. No need for driver to do anything. As you point out, mounted voice activated control of a mobile phone is legal, certainly in UK. Volvo recommend the use of voice commands when using their navigation system when the car is in motion.
 
First time ever I really have to admit Samsung overtook apple design wise. Wow, that was hard to type...
 
Apple made a bad bet on more expensive phones and now everyone who wasn’t a diehard is aware that there are other good phone companies making better phones for the same price level or less

This is precisely what is happening. Apple caught the changing climate but like you said they didn't deliver their cheaper phone at a low enough price. It's an alright phone, but it'll probably be matched by phone's as cheap as $500 by Chinese manufacturers. Aside from potential spyware, there isn't much reason not to go for the alternatives.
 
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Seems You ran out of money having to,buy the low cost low quality apple phone when there is a better XS. Think about that apple fan!
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Android is way superior, but You can cripple it down to work like iOS , so where’s your point?
The hw is far superior as You agreed!
I am a medical student so thought the extra $350 for the XS was not wise to spend at that time. However, nice try at an insult Android fan!
A Dark mode and Night light (no blue) on your phone makes OLED way superior to LCD at night. I use my phone for reading a lot, and the shift from LCD to OLED makes reading on the phone at Night-time a pure pleasure. On a LCD the whole screen lights up even if most of it is a Black area. IMO OLED is superior to LCD in every way - even apple agree with this as they have put OLED in their premium products. This makes the XR a vastly inferior product as even low midrange phones today comes with a better screen.
Basically everyone who says the XR is vastly inferior is an Android user or has never used the phone.
 
S10e really is great value. XR is not a budget device at all and given they are charging flagship prices for a mid range device I would say. The 128GB XR is around the same price as the regular S10..which is shocking really.
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It’s actually the S series that is seeing the most decline in sales due to stiffer competition (which incidentally is Samsung’s most profitable line).

The existing Apple versus Samsung smartphone sales dynamic is not going to change because of these new Galaxy S10 devices. Sales will likely continue to decline, due to Samsung suffering from both a longer upgrade cycle just like everyone else, as well as market share losses.

Samsung is being crushed by smartphone competition across the board. If you thought the decline in iPhone sales was bad, next quarter will be a bloodbath for Samsung.

Actually Samsung sales for the S series is up from last year. Pre orders were up 30% from last year. Given how the market is it’s rather impressive given how everybody expects upgrades to be worse and worse throughout. Iphone sales are only going to get worse each year until they sort out their terrible pricing structure.
 
Oh wow. One thing we agree on. 5.8" is just such a sweet spot for a phone, I could happily keep using it ad infinitum.

Speaking of Samsungs, the S10 range is great, Android as an OS has matured to the point where I wouldn't mind daily driving it at all. But the apps, damn, the Android equivalents of iOS apps are like 5 years behind. I set up the S10 for a family member, and since I had the phone for a night downloaded a few apps that I use regularly to compare. It was a mess, like using a high school project version of an established app. That's why I could never make the switch.

Haha for once, yes. Agree though, can’t wait to go back to the 5.8 size. Yea the quality of apps is something that would likely become an issue for me if I was ever to switch. I like new tech so I am interested when new stuff comes out, but that fades the more I think about it and I’m reminded why I stick with iOS.
 
Ummm, can we talk about the elephant in the room?

iPhone Xr ugly thick BEZEL. Samsung is proving Apple are lying with their stupid claim that OLED is too expensive by creating a stunning phone with a great display at the same pricepoint.

Well done Samsung.
 
The switch is easy and necessary housekeeping, not doing it makes You losing your freedom! Simple as that
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No one has really started with tablets — foldable phones will start the tablet market.
M% is great in tablets nowadays, but market has not recognized, still

I would lose too much and not gain enough to make a switch. All my Apple gear works flawlessly, so I have no real reason to switch. It would just be to try something new. I think some customization options in iOS would cure that for me.
 
Ummm, can we talk about the elephant in the room?

iPhone Xr ugly thick BEZEL. Samsung is proving Apple are lying with their stupid claim that OLED is too expensive by creating a stunning phone with a great display at the same pricepoint.

Well done Samsung.

You do understand Samsung makes the display and the phone right? There is no markup selling to themselves like to Apple.

From what I could find the display is about $80 for OLED Apple pays. If it costs Samsung $40-50 in material/labor without markup, then they have a HUGE HUGE advantage there to put out the same $750 device with OLED.

BIG distinction there.
 
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