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I honestly believe come October Apple will launch a 3.5" and a 2nd model anywhere between 4"-4.5".

I don't see how they have a choice.

Impossible for them to dump 3.5" cause they've sold millions upon millions upon millions at that size, tried and tested and massively successful but by the same token they cannot ignore demand for large screened Androids, millions upon millions upon millions.

Would it be enough for Apple to launch just a 4.3" and say for those who don't want a bigger screen get a 4s? I say no chance. Way too risky...

I think we in for a treat ladies and gentlemen!!!! Roll on October 2012!!!!
 
The fact that iPhones are more then 50% of the latest US sales in smartphones is proof that people are rejecting the larger handsets. 3.5" is pretty much perfect for any hand size.

I wonder why it is that if Apple have created the perfect phone (and in this context with the perfect screen size) such that, no one minds the lack of removable battery, no expansion etc, if all those owners are so content with their iPhone, do literally millions upgrade them when the slightest incremental change is in the offing? Let's face it, the 4S has nothing physically to distinguish it over the 4, had Siri and a slightly faster processor, which apparently offers nothing since a quad processor it is disregarded in the GSIII as "pointless"

I contend that if the only upgrade that came from Apple on their next phone was a bigger screen, millions upon millions would upgrade in an instant; this is the enviable position has that no other manufacturer has. Apple is brilliant at creating the demand for their products (again a position or attribute that every other manufacturer would crave to have) it's for this reason, that the iPhone 3G is not the latest model, which on the face of it was already perfect?
 
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It sure would make things a lot more peaceful in here :)

I think a nuclear bomb would have a higher chance of sorting that out :)

But if Apple can merely go to 3.7 - 4" without increasing phone size, or follow the beautiful N9 (before it was bastardised into the Lumia 800) and offer a 4" screen with no / reshaped home button - they could straddle the divide of size and screen.

I'd love an N9 type handset with iOS 6 :) physically same size as my iPhone but with bigger screen.

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The development of Samsung is very similar to the Sony history. Sony was the most famous brand before which dominated most of consumer products market. It had a wide product range including walkman, discman, headphone, mp3 player, TV, console, PSP, DC, video/cam recorder, notebook, desktop computer as well as some highly professional products. Sony generated a lot of profit and spent almost 5% revenue on R&D every year. However, the lack of the focus and too diversified on its products leads Sony falled from the hill, hard and even never catch up again anymore. Hope Samsung will never be the 2nd Sony.

I think the thing you most forget is that while Sony may not be the top choice in your world, it's still the top choice in the world of many MANY other markets. Gaming and the world of professional video and film making just to name two.

Now, I agree that Sony and Samsung make too many products too fast, but I wouldn't put Sony at "bottom or the hill" or "near bottom of the hill" just because no one's talking about that new Sony 4K cam or that new BRAVIA HDTV.

The same way I wouldn't put the iPhone at the bottom of the hill or say that Apple fell from any top position because iOS has become so stale and drab.
 
Apple's biggest "challenge" to changing screen sizes is how the hundreds and thousands of Apps currently designed would fit on the screen and how they would look. Yes, it's up to the developers to update - but look at how many people got up in arms (on this forum, of course, not the general public) on how their older apps looked on the retina display. And that was just a 2x "issue"

A new screen size poses a "threat" to Apple's current App market in that things would get a bit fragmented. And one of Apple's leading attacks on Android (aside from them calling the OS stolen) is that they can claim Android is fragmented.

I'll add that while Android is a bit fragmented - I don't see it as a huge general user/customer issue.
 
You friend are delusional and biased. Look at the words your using...the 4s is SMALL....no it isn't! the screen is relatively smaller than average but the phone itself it not small. And the GS3 is not HUGE or MUCH MUCH BIGGER. Who are you trying to fool?

So are you saying S3's 4.8" screen is the same as 3.5"?? dude there is a huge difference there.
 
I think a nuclear bomb would have a higher chance of sorting that out :)

But if Apple can merely go to 3.7 - 4" without increasing phone size, or follow the beautiful N9 (before it was bastardised into the Lumia 800) and offer a 4" screen with no / reshaped home button - they could straddle the divide of size and screen.

I'd love an N9 type handset with iOS 6 :) physically same size as my iPhone but with bigger screen.

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What exactly are the material external design differences between the N9 and the Lumia 800? Apart from the camera button they do seem extremely similar. I can appreciate that the curved display in the N9 and the Lumia 800 was dropped for the Lumia 900 but when it comes to the Lumia 800 and the N9 I really don't see much difference at all.
 
I'll add that while Android is a bit fragmented - I don't see it as a huge general user/customer issue.
It's pretty much a non-issue on Android. Things scale just fine no matter the screen size or resolution of the phone. That's why I feel like people are worrying too much about it.
 
The fact that iPhones are more then 50% of the latest US sales in smartphones is proof that people are rejecting the larger handsets. 3.5" is pretty much perfect for any hand size.

I guess you're a believer of one size fits all hands. Too bad it's not true.
 
I am talking about the own research determining the best and most usable touchscreen form factor. Undoubtedly they tested 2" screens and 4+" screens. They didn't just randomly decide on 3.5 or rip it off from someone else.

I think people not knowing what they want is entirely applicable to some of the clamoring here about people wanting bigger screen sizes on phones.

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Different needs for different folks. I'm in IT and would love a bigger screen. I won't lie the Samung Note did cross my mind as a buy. I love my iDevices but I would like for them to change it up.

I'd take a 4.8 screen. That would fit in my pocket no problem. Like I said earlier I'm in IT and the majority of my phone use is either replying/sending emails, texting, Web stuff or using RDP into servers. The bigger screen would be a great benefit for me. For the amount of time(very little maybe 2%) I spend talking on it I don't care if I'd have to hold it to my ear or I'll just use a headset.

For me when I travel if I had a larger screen phone as the SIII or the Note I would leave my laptop or iPad2 at home. The less I have to keep up with the better.

I doubt Apple would release two screen sizes. They seem to be all or nothing but they did release two Mac Air sizes so who knows.

I'm going to hold off on a new phone until we start getting more leaks of the new iPhone. I'm hoping for a larger sceen and I hope the overhaul iOS6 UI. I don't really care for the 4" tall screen mock ups I've seen. I'd rather it be a little taller and wider but if Apple keeps the 3.5 screen I'll probably pick up one of the Samsung phones.

RIM stayed doing the same ole same and it's cost them.
 
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I think some people have a hard time admitting something they don't believe is true. "superior" is in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone has the same use case or requires the same from a phone. You can argue specs - but Apple wouldn't measure up. You can argue OS - which then becomes quite subjective. So how do YOU determine which is superior. Because it might not be the same to person x, y and z.

Why do people have a hard time admitting that everyone is entitled to the best experience and equipment for their needs. Why do people have a hard time accepting that not everyone is like THEM.

Answer that and you'll have done a lot on THIS forum :)

1) People like to share their experiences.
2) People like to rationalize their choices. Sometimes, after the fact.
3) Rationalizing involves separating reasonable and unreasonable claims.
4) People will find others with alternate experiences/rationale.
5) Conflict is unavoidable as the discussion extends to most people's minds as a matter of personal interest.
6) Arguments are less a matter of what is good or bad for others, but rather a struggle to justify what is good for the self.

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And yet, both McDs and all those 5-stars co-exist very nicely. So I'm lost on your point. Look, do I think the iPhone is a better phone? Absolutely. It's why it's been the only cell phone I've owned since June 29, 2007 It meets my desires in a smartphone very perfectly. But is it perfect for everyone? Apparently not. That is where Android phones come in. If you don't like the iPhone then look there. If you don't like the Android offerings, sorry, you might just be too damn picky. Again, it's a phone. Pick one. It's not a life changing decision.

My point is that iPhone is the superior product.
 
The fact that iPhones are more then 50% of the latest US sales in smartphones is proof that people are rejecting the larger handsets. 3.5" is pretty much perfect for any hand size.

Isn't it funny how the arguments keep shifting to whatever conveniently supports ones argument?

It's okay to say because iPhones are more than 50% of US sales that people rejecting larger handsets is true. But it's not okay to support a pro-Android argument by talking about Android marketshare. And when it comes to defending Mac computers against PCs, marketshare doesn't mean anything either. But it does when we're talking about the iPad vs other tablets.

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Isn't it funny how the arguments keep shifting to whatever conveniently supports ones argument?

It's okay to say because iPhones are more than 50% of US sales that people rejecting larger handsets is true. But it's not okay to support a pro-Android argument by talking about Android marketshare. And when it comes to defending Mac computers against PCs, marketshare doesn't mean anything either. But it does when we're talking about the iPad vs other tablets.

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Exactly. It's called hypocrisy.
 
What exactly are the material external design differences between the N9 and the Lumia 800? Apart from the camera button they do seem extremely similar. I can appreciate that the curved display in the N9 and the Lumia 800 was dropped for the Lumia 900 but when it comes to the Lumia 800 and the N9 I really don't see much difference at all.

The N9's screen extends from top to base, whereas the Lumia is actually smaller, the screen has had its bottom chopped to make room for capitative buttons. Unfortunetly that small change really does throw the aesthetic (I have an N9 & Lumia 800) and likewise the discrete almost apple-esque Front Camera on the N9 was ditched in the Lumia 800.

The Lumia 800 is a pretty phone, the N9 is a beautiful phone. Small design choices put it ahead aesthetically. You really have to hold the two together in your hands, the N9 is just on a design level so ahead.

Actually MeeGo is a really nice OS, and I loved the social page, and hope Apple or someone copies it, because it was an excellent aspect. The only killer for me in regards to the N9 was a lack of App's I needed.

Even the N9 running ICS looks awesome and ironically in context of this actual discussion highlights the blandness of the SGSIII's final design.
 
The N9's screen extends from top to base, whereas the Lumia is actually smaller, the screen has had its bottom chopped to make room for capitative buttons. Unfortunetly that small change really does throw the aesthetic (I have an N9 & Lumia 800) and likewise the discrete almost apple-esque Front Camera on the N9 was ditched in the Lumia 800.

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I really appreciate your detailed explanation. Thanks.
 
And bad conversation.

Seriously, it makes for one HELL of a lousy forum.

You guys have just found this out ? I've been calling out the constant goalpost moving in these threads for what, 2 years now ? As I've pointed out before, I don't know why some people here keep ignoring facts when we're on this big connected network called the Internet, where fact checking takes seconds.

If you spout off wrongful information, you'll get called out. Why even bother trying to spread FUD ?
 
You guys have just found this out ? I've been calling out the constant goalpost moving in these threads for what, 2 years now ? As I've pointed out before, I don't know why some people here keep ignoring facts when we're on this big connected network called the Internet, where fact checking takes seconds.

If you spout off wrongful information, you'll get called out. Why even bother trying to spread FUD ?

I agree. But I believe so much of what is "FUD" is actually ignorance or rationalization. Maybe that's the definition of FUD.

Some people read comments on here and believe they are true.
Some people read the news stories here which are phrased in a certain way can cannot separate the truth from the editorial.
Some people will justify anything as long as Apple is on the right side of the equation
Some people will attack anything non-Apple and label them (fill in the blank here)

This is afterall, MacRumors. Where many people believe you can ONLY be a fan of Apple and either not own any other tech or certainly never find other tech as good or better than Apple. Otherwise - you are a hater, fandroid, etc.

Like you - I just call it like I see it and try my best to back it up with facts - not emotions. These things Apple makes? They aren't loved ones. They are objects.
 
the haven't figured it out yet (both Apple and Samsung)

I am baffled that both Samsung and Apple haven't figured it out yet. Again nothing new in terms of design and form factor, SCI-FI movies hinted at electronic pads long before the iPad. But they also hinted at something else. THE COMMUNICATOR. For talking to someone we need a device nog bigger than something you can attach to your clothing. But it needs to be a full function voice driven phone , I am not talking about a bluetooth usb stick on your ear thing which some people like to wear, (which is fugly as hell btw). It would be nice if the phone in question could communicate with your iPod (no need for iPhone), through both iCloud syncing and direct connect. A pure communicator doesn't need quad core GPU, leave that to the iPod. A pure communicator needs to be able to communicate at 99% of times, and not be battery-drained each day.
 
This is one of the better posts in here lol

Actually it is a horrible comparison as it completely omits one of the most revolutionary parts of the first iPhone and that is a truly functional web browser. Comparing the functionality of an original iPhone to a PDA just makes one seem dumb. Perhaps you felt his post was one of the best because it made you laugh at the clueless ignorance.
 
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