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Great point, but sadly that's always how it will be. Just like if the iPhone 5 ended up having the same size screen as the SIII these same people would probably be all over it.

Most likely I'd buy the iphone if they gave it a much bigger screen (though maybe I'd go with the 4s depending on what else they changed about the phone). And I'd be whining about it the whole time.

And then one of two things would happen:

1. I'd realize I was wrong and had to eat my words. And count for the ones people will claim will all the sudden like the phone once Apple makes it (because most likely I'd buy it anyways cause of other considerations like the fact I already have a lot of apps and stuff and am pretty tied into the eco system and don't really want to change if I don't have to, Android really hasn't offered anything I'm all that jealous of enough to want to deal with breaking out of the eco system). But thing here is I would have been dragged into it kicking and screaming and after trying it have changed my mind (people do that you know).

2. I'd realize i was right and bitch and whine about it some more and wish they never changed the screen size. And realize I don't have much choice caues it seems the Androids with the good features all have big screens too and the cheapy phones that probably suck will be the only ones left with a smaller screen if the iPhone also gets a big screen. Therefore no reason to change anyways. Just be annoyed they changed it.

But really, if they do change the screen size, where do you expect the people who liked the smaller screen to go? All the "prize" android phones that will have the nice features all have big screens (They race to outdo each other on how big the screen is), I think even the Windows phones are the same. So, it's not like if you want the smaller screen if Apple changes that you have much anywhere to go (Apple seems to be the only premium smartphone maker that has not done the race to see who can make the biggest screen). If nothing else is ruined and they liked the iPhone otherwise, they might as well stay with the iPhone.
 
The dots are actually functional. It's for an optional dock. Also I think the GS3 actually looks more like the Galaxy Nexus if anything. I wish
it had the soft touch though instead.

Not only does the Nexus have the soft touch, there are no words or lettering on the front, just black. Looks cool.
 
Most likely I'd buy the iphone if they gave it a much bigger screen (though maybe I'd go with the 4s depending on what else they changed about the phone). And I'd be whining about it the whole time.

And then one of two things would happen:

1. I'd realize I was wrong and had to eat my words. And count for the ones people will claim will all the sudden like the phone once Apple makes it (because most likely I'd buy it anyways cause of other considerations like the fact I already have a lot of apps and stuff and am pretty tied into the eco system and don't really want to change if I don't have to, Android really hasn't offered anything I'm all that jealous of enough to want to deal with breaking out of the eco system). But thing here is I would have been dragged into it kicking and screaming and after trying it have changed my mind (people do that you know).

2. I'd realize i was right and bitch and whine about it some more and wish they never changed the screen size. And realize I don't have much choice caues it seems the Androids with the good features all have big screens too and the cheapy phones that probably suck will be the only ones left with a smaller screen if the iPhone also gets a big screen. Therefore no reason to change anyways. Just be annoyed they changed it.

But really, if they do change the screen size, where do you expect the people who liked the smaller screen to go? All the "prize" android phones that will have the nice features all have big screens (They race to outdo each other on how big the screen is), I think even the Windows phones are the same. So, it's not like if you want the smaller screen if Apple changes that you have much anywhere to go (Apple seems to be the only premium smartphone maker that has not done the race to see who can make the biggest screen). If nothing else is ruined and they liked the iPhone otherwise, they might as well stay with the iPhone.

I'm all for the smaller screen. If Apple release the iPhone 5 with a larger screen (and no option for it with a 3.5 inch screen) I'll stick with my iPhone 4.
 
Not only does the Nexus have the soft touch, there are no words or lettering on the front, just black. Looks cool.

The front looks great, I'll admit. When I took my one out of the box I was like "Oh sweet!" and then I turned it around and saw this.

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Do they hire one design team for the front and another for the back? The back of it looks absolutely hideous in my opinion. That was one of the reasons I ended up returning it. The screen size wasn't really necessary for what I use my phone for (I don't browse the web a lot, really) and made the phone a bit more cumbersome for me. That and it didn't feel like much of an upgrade from my iPhone 4 - not a downgrade either, just the same.
 
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- Public transportation outsells taxi
- BigMac outsells a stake house chain
- Windows outsells Mac
- iPhone "outsells every single Android phone"

Apple fans keep saying that iPhone outsells any Android phone. So what does this fact mean? It means nothing about superiority of iPhone, but it means to me that Apple simply has genius sales/marketing machine which is capable selling basic/sometimes obsolete phone at a very high margin. The business model is simple but polished to the perfection:
  • Do not manufacture nor invent anything but instead:
  • Use other companies' manufacturing capacity, expertise and technologies
  • Use basic design and cheaper components: small screens, smaller battery, less RAM, VGA front camera, no OLED, LTE, SD card...
  • Sell single product model with rare updates (cheaper production)
  • Use cheap Chinese labor
  • Pay highest attention to style and industrial design
  • Create extreme marketing hype
  • Create closed ecosystem
  • Litigate and sue

Why take my post out of context? I didn't say "iPhone outsells ever individual phone!!!, i said "yes iPhone will outsell every individual phone and it's stacked in its favor that way"

Second, let's discuss Android marketshare:

-burger king has greater marketshare then ruths Chris
-Toyota has greater marketshare then lamborghini
-android has greater marketshare then iPhone

Android fans keep saying that Android has more marketshare then iphone so what does this fact mean? It means nothing about the superiority of Android but to me it means Android simply floods the market with its products at cheap prices and therefore are able to get customers to buy these cheap products because they're available at every carrier in many more countries then iPhone is.

The business model is simple but polished to perfection:

-release several new models a year, with tiny incremental differences between each other, the more recent one being the better one always
-release models with outdated os versions, and rarely if ever update the os, so you are forced to upgrade your phone if you want the latest features when they're released and not a week before the even newer version comes out
-use cheap Chinese labor
-pay little attention to style
-copy and steal and then whine when someone (apple, Microsoft, oracle etc) litigate and sue
-create open ecosystem which ensures that your os will be available on the crappiest of the crappiest phones thus padding your marketshare even more.

You see? The ridiculous logic you apply to iPhone fits the bill with Android too :cool:
 
The front looks great, I'll admit. When I took my one out of the box I was like "Oh sweet!" and then I turned it around and saw this.

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Do they hire one design team for the front and another for the back? The back of it looks absolutely hideous in my opinion. That was one of the reasons I ended up returning it. The screen size wasn't really necessary for what I use my phone for (I don't browse the web a lot, really) and made the phone a bit more cumbersome for me. That and it didn't feel like much of an upgrade from my iPhone 4 - not a downgrade either, just the same.

However in reality, 90% of phones will have a case and so the back is never seen. No matter how glorious the back of an iPhone or iPod touch for that matter is, the vast majority cover them or accept they don't look glorious for very long. I think people forget that these backs are the way they are because they are removable (and swappable) to allow access to memory and batteries, both upgradable and replaceable. They are intended to be worked and so they need to robust and cheap to replace. I think this is a far more practical approach - you can buy a brand new original OEM replacement for a few pounds. As glorious as the iPhone back is (a work of art IMO) it has to be protected otherwise it looks a mess quite quickly.
 
The front looks great, I'll admit. When I took my one out of the box I was like "Oh sweet!" and then I turned it around and saw this.

Image

What's wrong with it ? Actually looks good to me, better than the back of my iPhone 4S which is just a bland glass pane with an Apple and lots of legal text. None of my phones prior to the iPhone had text there, that's the funny part. "Designed in california", why should I care ? Put that crap on the box or something.
 
What's wrong with it ? Actually looks good to me, better than the back of my iPhone 4S which is just a bland glass pane with an Apple and lots of legal text. None of my phones prior to the iPhone had text there, that's the funny part. "Designed in california", why should I care ? Put that crap on the box or something.

I just don't like the texture of the Nexus's back cover, and this isn't me saying I think the iPhone 4/4S has the best back cover just in case anyone is thinking that. It's all preference at the end of the day, anyway. My point was that it's just quite a contrast to the front, in my opinion.

Oh, and I agree about all the legal text on the back of the iPhone.
 
I just don't like the texture of the Nexus's back cover, and this isn't me saying I think the iPhone 4/4S has the best back cover just in case anyone is thinking that. It's all preference at the end of the day, anyway. My point was that it's just quite a contrast to the front, in my opinion.

Oh, and I agree about all the legal text on the back of the iPhone.

Texture = better grip. I kinda like the idea. My smooth iPhone case and the bare iPhone just slips so easily out of my pocket or on my desk/tables.
 
To each their own.

I immediately put a black TPU silicone case on my Nexus. It feels like grippy soft rubber matte on the back, and has a thin shiny black band around the bezel.

No markings visible at all. Keeps people guessing what I'm using, which I prefer. Conversation starter :)
 
The business model is simple but polished to perfection:

-release several new models a year, with tiny incremental differences between each other, the more recent one being the better one always
-release models with outdated os versions, and rarely if ever update the os, so you are forced to upgrade your phone if you want the latest features when they're released and not a week before the even newer version comes out
-use cheap Chinese labor
-pay little attention to style
-copy and steal and then whine when someone (apple, Microsoft, oracle etc) litigate and sue
-create open ecosystem which ensures that your os will be available on the crappiest of the crappiest phones thus padding your marketshare even more.

You see? The ridiculous logic you apply to iPhone fits the bill with Android too :cool:

Post fail.

1. The specs between phones is far from tiny. In fact - compared to the iPhone - the spec bumps are usually huge. Point out one manufacturer of Android that has an updated version of their phone with TINY spec improvements.

2. OS updates. Clearly you haven't read the entire thread because this argument has holes in it like swiss cheese. Unlike iOS - the elements of Android all get updated many times throughout the year (all of the apps). The UI might only be updated once a year (and carrier/manufacturer delays/etc) to a whole brand new version of the OS - but Android users don't have to wait months for an update to maps, mail, and other apps. iOS owners do. And look - I love iOS - and have multiple iOS devices. And the UI is great. But even the new updates on iOS bring the kind of changes that Android's does. And by changes - I mean full on UI changes vs adding something like folders.

I won't discuss your other points because they, like you said - apply to all devices.

But people like you need to stop posting FUD. It's pathetic.
 
- Public transportation outsells taxi
- BigMac outsells a stake house chain
- Windows outsells Mac
- iPhone "outsells every single Android phone"

Apple fans keep saying that iPhone outsells any Android phone. So what does this fact mean? It means nothing about superiority of iPhone, but it means to me that Apple simply has genius sales/marketing machine which is capable selling basic/sometimes obsolete phone at a very high margin. The business model is simple but polished to the perfection:
  • Do not manufacture nor invent anything but instead:
  • Use other companies' manufacturing capacity, expertise and technologies
  • Use basic design and cheaper components: small screens, smaller battery, less RAM, VGA front camera, no OLED, LTE, SD card...
  • Sell single product model with rare updates (cheaper production)
  • Use cheap Chinese labor
  • Pay highest attention to style and industrial design
  • Create extreme marketing hype
  • Create closed ecosystem
  • Litigate and sue

Well you've proven one thing. You know absolutely nothing about Apple's design and product philosophy, their innovations that bring products to market, and how they've finely tuned them to be a perfect fit for the majority of consumers worldwide.

Talk about writing spin about how a company built an incredible business. It's not true, it's misleading and it short changes what Apple does. Pathetic post.

Do you really believe what you wrote?
 
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To each his own, I think the back of the Nexus looks hot. Supposedly, the cover is rubberized plastic for better grip.
 
Post fail.

1. The specs between phones is far from tiny. In fact - compared to the iPhone - the spec bumps are usually huge. Point out one manufacturer of Android that has an updated version of their phone with TINY spec improvements.

2. OS updates. Clearly you haven't read the entire thread because this argument has holes in it like swiss cheese. Unlike iOS - the elements of Android all get updated many times throughout the year (all of the apps). The UI might only be updated once a year (and carrier/manufacturer delays/etc) to a whole brand new version of the OS - but Android users don't have to wait months for an update to maps, mail, and other apps. iOS owners do. And look - I love iOS - and have multiple iOS devices. And the UI is great. But even the new updates on iOS bring the kind of changes that Android's does. And by changes - I mean full on UI changes vs adding something like folders.

I won't discuss your other points because they, like you said - apply to all devices.

But people like you need to stop posting FUD. It's pathetic.

Maybe you can correct me if I am wrong, but do all the Android phone ship with the newest and latest version of the OS? From what I have been reading there are still some of those that do not ship with the latest version. Sure the OS will be updated many times throughout the year but not for every phone true?
 
Texture = better grip. I kinda like the idea. My smooth iPhone case and the bare iPhone just slips so easily out of my pocket or on my desk/tables.

Sounds like you've never had a Nexus in your hands before. In this case the textured back does not provide a better grip. It's hard plastic and slippery.

Add to fact the Galaxy Nexus is a wide and clunky phone it's as or more prone to slip from hands.

The One X is the same clunky design in a slippery casing.

Good news is there are skins and cases that solve those problems immediately.
 
Maybe you can correct me if I am wrong, but do all the Android phone ship with the newest and latest version of the OS? From what I have been reading there are still some of those that do not ship with the latest version. Sure the OS will be updated many times throughout the year but not for every phone true?

Android doesn't work the same as iOS. Android pushes out updates to all of its major apps several times a year. At least what I have experienced in my (short) time with Android.

With iOS - for (as an example) the mail app or map app to get an update - it's been typically a major release - i.e. iOS 4.0, 5.0, etc.

Android does have major OS releases which changes a lot of the UI and I'm assuming APIs available to developers.

Point is - that as far as I have experienced - while one might not be running the latest OS - their phone has all the latest stock apps.

Am I explaining that right/enough?
 
Texture = better grip. I kinda like the idea. My smooth iPhone case and the bare iPhone just slips so easily out of my pocket or on my desk/tables.

I agree about the better grip, I was talking purely from an aesthetics point of view. I prefer the texture of the back of my SII (which is similar to the Nexus) than my iPhone, but in terms of looks I just love the iPhone 4.
 
Android doesn't work the same as iOS. Android pushes out updates to all of its major apps several times a year. At least what I have experienced in my (short) time with Android.

With iOS - for (as an example) the mail app or map app to get an update - it's been typically a major release - i.e. iOS 4.0, 5.0, etc.

Android does have major OS releases which changes a lot of the UI and I'm assuming APIs available to developers.

Point is - that as far as I have experienced - while one might not be running the latest OS - their phone has all the latest stock apps.

Am I explaining that right/enough?

Ahhh ok. Not so much the OS but more the apps are up to date no matter what version of the OS you are running. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Sounds like you've never had a Nexus in your hands before. In this case the textured back does not provide a better grip. It's hard plastic and slippery.

Add to fact the Galaxy Nexus is a wide and clunky phone it's as or more prone to slip from hands.

Yes, I've held a Galaxy Nexus before. No, it's not clunky or wide enough to be more prone to slip. Maybe you just have petite hands.

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I agree about the better grip, I was talking purely from an aesthetics point of view. I prefer the texture of the back of my SII (which is similar to the Nexus) than my iPhone, but in terms of looks I just love the iPhone 4.

I don't particularly like the iPhone or the Samsung Galaxy looks. They don't look "atrocious" or "ugly", but they don't look good either to me.

I think Sony makes the best looking phones. Too bad their Xperia line-up has been mostly bad for the last few generations.
 
Sounds like you've never had a Nexus in your hands before. In this case the textured back does not provide a better grip. It's hard plastic and slippery.

Add to fact the Galaxy Nexus is a wide and clunky phone it's as or more prone to slip from hands.

The One X is the same clunky design in a slippery casing.

Good news is there are skins and cases that solve those problems immediately.

I don't have the Nexus but I do have a SII... I'd agree that the textured back doesn't provide a better grip... but then again, many phones don't have materials that do so either (including the iPhones).

However, I do like the texture of the back of the SII. It's one of the reasons why I haven't gotten around to getting a case for my phone even though I've had it for probably half a year or more at this point.
 
Right now the best grip on any smartphone is the Lumia 900 matte-black or cyan. Wonderful feel.
 
What I find funny is how rare it is to actually see an iPhone in the flesh. Whether you think the design is dated or a thing if beauty, most folks have them covered in tacky bumpers or full cases.

A lot of people point out the cheap plastic backs to many of Samsung phones. I actually think this is great, as you don't need to carry them in bulky cases, knowing that those cheap backs are fully replaceable for peanuts and can be swapped anytime. They also allow simple access to the battery, which can be replaced, or supplemented for very little cost.
I used to carry mine without one, of course the glass shuttered after a few months, but I really enjoyed the feel of the glass. I wouldn't own one now, I thinks it's one of the most overrated phones ever, first one wasn't even a good damn phone to begin with. And you are absolutely right, the whole point of the glass wasn't even important when everyone had to have (especially so what with the antenna issue everyone then for sure had to have it) it in some fugly case, because to be honest if we are talking high aesthetics here about 95% percent of cases are fugly...a glass phone that had to be in **** looking cases and dropped calls until v.2 of the product, only apple on a winning streak could pull this off, no one else.

It's not the cheep plastics with the Samsung, I don't know really, maybe it's just me.

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Just a guess... is it simple/minimalistic/industrially clean lines that you're trying to put your finger on?

The Nokia N9 (I agree, probably one of the best looking phones), Sony Xperia Ion, Apple iPhone 4S (dated or not, I still think it's a good looking phone) all seem to follow that trend.

On the other side, we have Samsung taking a more organic approach with curves.

I don't know if that's what you're thinking of (and don't want to put words in your mouth) but just throwing that out there :)

maybe so, I am not sure. :) It somehow feels out of shape, not round or oval enough and not linear enough, and the shape of the home button, I don't know. Of course taste is to some extent subjective. :)
 
Post fail.

1. The specs between phones is far from tiny. In fact - compared to the iPhone - the spec bumps are usually huge. Point out one manufacturer of Android that has an updated version of their phone with TINY spec improvements.

2. OS updates. Clearly you haven't read the entire thread because this argument has holes in it like swiss cheese. Unlike iOS - the elements of Android all get updated many times throughout the year (all of the apps). The UI might only be updated once a year (and carrier/manufacturer delays/etc) to a whole brand new version of the OS - but Android users don't have to wait months for an update to maps, mail, and other apps. iOS owners do. And look - I love iOS - and have multiple iOS devices. And the UI is great. But even the new updates on iOS bring the kind of changes that Android's does. And by changes - I mean full on UI changes vs adding something like folders.

I won't discuss your other points because they, like you said - apply to all devices.

But people like you need to stop posting FUD. It's pathetic.

You used the word "fail". You lost all credibility there. Now to address your two points.

1) htc incredible one vs HTC incredible two. That was easy.

2) do you really believe your drivel? Those app "updates" you get all the time are bug fixes. Did you think you were getting amazing bonuses and improvements? you do realize that the ice cream sandwich overhaul for gmail, still hasn't hit gingerbread or froyo right? Seven months later. But no by all means, be proud of your constant bugfixes :rolleyes:

Your friend knightwrx said there's this thing called the internet where you can do fact checking. You should consult it before you try to pass off sorely needed bugfixes as "elements of Android" getting updated throughout the year. You're slipping sam.

Ahhh ok. Not so much the OS but more the apps are up to date no matter what version of the OS you are running. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Nope, not true.
 
To each their own.

I immediately put a black TPU silicone case on my Nexus. It feels like grippy soft rubber matte on the back, and has a thin shiny black band around the bezel.

No markings visible at all. Keeps people guessing what I'm using, which I prefer. Conversation starter :)

I have gotten that a few times from my Atrix in a commuter otterbox case because 1 zero marketing and 2 the commuter case is not as common in the wild as the defender. Everyone seems to know what the defender is but commuter is much smaller in size.
 
-release several new models a year, with tiny incremental differences between each other, the more recent one being the better one always
Samsung releases several new models a year to give consumer choices and uptoday technology. While Apple releases only one already outdated model in 16 month, with tiny incremental differences between each other :)
-release models with outdated os versions, and rarely if ever update the os, so you are forced to upgrade your phone if you want the latest features when they're released and not a week before the even newer version comes out
Wrong. And Apple releases OS which is instantly outdated with features, available on Android long before: voice command, multitasking, notifications, folders, wireless synch.

-use cheap Chinese labor
Wrong. Galaxy is made in Korea.

-pay little attention to style
Wrong. Galaxy Beats iPhone 4S For Phone Of The Year Award

-copy and steal and then whine when someone (apple, Microsoft, oracle etc) litigate and sue
Wrong. Apple is the one who started to sue and who is stealing. Samsung owns 10 times more patents. Apple owns fewer including ridiculous patents such as rectangle with rounded corners.
 
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