it only horible because it complete kills the entire bais argument that is thrown out that Apple invented the grid black slab design.
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it only horible because it complete kills the entire bais argument that is thrown out that Apple invented the grid black slab design.
This is not the reality though. There was zero technological limitation that limited apple to a 3.5" screen in 2007. They could have chosen to make the screen 1" or 5" with no significant technological limitations or cost issues.
This is where the flawed thinking comes in all this where people think it is just technology catching up and larger screens are now possible. Apple could have made the iPhone have a 5" screen in 2007. They choose not to do so. My understanding primarily because they wanted the best user experience possible.
I am not being flippant when I saw oems have spent no time figuring out their screen sizes besides saying bigger. I believe it to be 100% true and I have seen zero evidence to contradict that. The oems find themselves struggling to launch top tier devices that competed with the iPhone. The top android phones regularly had only a fraction of the sales. Creating larger screensc
Isn't it funny how the arguments keep shifting to whatever conveniently supports ones argument?
It's okay to say because iPhones are more than 50% of US sales that people rejecting larger handsets is true. But it's not okay to support a pro-Android argument by talking about Android marketshare.
I don't buy the argument that the popularity of iPhones validates the choice of 3.5" display form factor, but your comparison is also questionable because not all Android phones are large display models. i.e. we don't know what % of Android sales are 4.3"+ phones and which aren't. This something almost everyone ignores when these discussions take place.
I'm a bit skeptical after seeing how low Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Notes sales are for Samsung in comparison to their total smartphone sales but perhaps there's a better explanation somewhere.
This past February, Localytics posted a blog entry saying that their stats totaled about 2/3 (63%) of Android phones using their app tools as having 4" or bigger screens.
Their stats also indicated that 3/4 of Android tablets in use were 7".
I never made a comparison. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy among some posts here.
The Android has more marketshare argument has been brought up many times before (not just in reference to screen size) and it's always been shot down by forumites saying it's invalid because marketshare doesn't mean anything at all. Yet, when it comes to a pro-Apple stance on an Apple product that is successful (iPod, iPhone, iPad), forumites use the marketshare evidence to support their side.
Me? I could care less about marketshare. But I'd like to see some consistency across the board
I never made a comparison. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy among some posts here.
The Android has more marketshare argument has been brought up many times before (not just in reference to screen size) and it's always been shot down by forumites saying it's invalid because marketshare doesn't mean anything at all. Yet, when it comes to a pro-Apple stance on an Apple product that is successful (iPod, iPhone, iPad), forumites use the marketshare evidence to support their side.
Me? I could care less about marketshare. But I'd like to see some consistency across the board
Do ppl talk about apple marketshare or apple sales? if we were discussing marketshare only, Apple would look pretty weak. However, sales wise they're outselling every Android phone combined in the us two quarters in a row. Marketshare or not, that's impressive and only a hater would say otherwise!
I think marketshare is skewed since it's many hundreds of phones against three.
You have zero proof that Apple could afford to give a 4" or 5" screen without cost issues. You are often flippant. And you can believe whatever you want. Your believes <> FACTS. Whether or not YOU have zero evidence. Why? Because you have nothing to counter it either.
It's ok. You're biased. You can admit it. It's transparent to us anyway. We might respect your opinion more. Might.
I never made a comparison. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy among some posts here.
The Android has more marketshare argument has been brought up many times before (not just in reference to screen size) and it's always been shot down by forumites saying it's invalid because marketshare doesn't mean anything at all. Yet, when it comes to a pro-Apple stance on an Apple product that is successful (iPod, iPhone, iPad), forumites use the marketshare evidence to support their side.
Me? I could care less about marketshare. But I'd like to see some consistency across the board
Great point, but sadly that's always how it will be. Just like if the iPhone 5 ended up having the same size screen as the SIII these same people would probably be all over it.
You used the word "hater." You lost all credibility right there.
And you call call it skewed all you want since you're an Apple stockholder and want to justify everything to make yourself feel better. Fact is - when someone goes into a store to buy a phone - they have one option for an iOS device vs several running different OSes. If they want the Apple ecosystem - they have one option. Do you not see how the deck is stacked to "guarantee" that the iPhone pretty much will outsell any individual Android device? Further - it's not the iPhone vs other phones. It's iOS vs Android vs Windows.
The whole "but android sells millions of phones" argument falls flat. Now - if there was only one Android phone - say the GSII and no others existed - that would be a fair comparison.
Fortunately where Apple is failing a large market segment - Manufacturers of other handsets are offering a lot of choices so every person can have the experience and specs they want/need/desire/like best.
That last bit is important. And it's a good thing too. I would hate for any one company to be the only choice. Not for books, music, phones, cars, supermarkets, gas, phone service, etc.
Oh ok, thank you forum credibility monitor. I will try to please you next time
Yep i see that it's stacked that iPhone will outsell every individual phone. However, is it also stacked that it will outsell every single Android phone COMBINED in the us two quarters in a row?
You're right, when they go into a store they have one option for ios and they CHOOSE (i know choice is a huge deal among the Android users) iPhone over all the other phones...combined!
People love choice, i agree. They love choosing the iPhone over everything. I'm a stockholder, yes, and I'm taking that choice and laughing my way to the bank!
That still doesn't answer my question completely as it relies on a single analytic provider with a very probable regional bias. And even if we go with that data, the % of Android that are 4.3" or larger still seem less than half.
Yet, when it comes to a pro-Apple stance on an Apple product that is successful (iPod, iPhone, iPad), forumites use the marketshare evidence to support their side.
Me? I could care less about marketshare. But I'd like to see some consistency across the board
Of course you'll not see any consistency in the arguments. That's just human nature..I mean the internet forum nature.
I think what's happening is that at the moment iOS has such momentum that Apple can sell iPhone regardless of the display size. But I fully expect them to take a better advantage of the available surface area on the phone in the next iPhone iteration. On the down side, I really wanted to see an iPod Touch size iPhone but that probably won't happen.
I think I will get hated for saying this but I'll say it anyway:
First, I am going to be an iPhone user soon as I've only recently opened myself up to typing on touch screen (always been a keyboard guy).
Second, sure samsung's a copycat but don't hate on them too much because that's just how this goes. A friend of mine also told me that Samsung is never the type to innovate ahead, since they're focused on other ventures as well. So, while maintaining their competency in their other ventures, they decided to go in the mobile business by letting other mobile companies innovate and then go to whatever direction sells to people which explains the similarities of the 4s and the S3. After all, they drive majority of Korea's economy.
First, I am going to be an iPhone user soon as I've only recently opened myself up to typing on touch screen (always been a keyboard guy).
Second, sure samsung's a copycat but don't hate on them too much because that's just how this goes. A friend of mine also told me that Samsung is never the type to innovate ahead, since they're focused on other ventures as well. So, while maintaining their competency in their other ventures, they decided to go in the mobile business by letting other mobile companies innovate and then go to whatever direction sells to people which explains the similarities of the 4s and the S3. After all, they drive majority of Korea's economy.
Specific sizes reveal that a phone that's only 10mm wider than an iPhone allows room for a 4.6" display.
To call this huge, is to fail to understand the math, or simply prefer to bash it.
Fact is, thousands upon thousands of Androids with these modern sized displays are bought by both men & women. If they were as unwieldy as some claim they are, they'd never sell.
Samsung (as one example) may not be ones choice, yet they are smart enough to build very popular models.
iPhone 4S - 3.5" display
115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm
Galaxy SII Skyrocket - 4.6" display
129.8 x 68.8 x 9.5 mm
I think a nuclear bomb would have a higher chance of sorting that out
But if Apple can merely go to 3.7 - 4" without increasing phone size, or follow the beautiful N9 (before it was bastardised into the Lumia 800) and offer a 4" screen with no / reshaped home button - they could straddle the divide of size and screen.
I'd love an N9 type handset with iOS 6
Looks great, why the hell can't samsung design such a nice looking device for a change, how can they be so crap at design... anyway that's one beautiful looking phone right there.
I played with the prototype of the GSIII and I now have my hands on a white one. I think it looks pretty good, actually. (And no. I don't work for Samsung.)
I feels just under the size of the Note. AT&T will have white(which I have now). T-Mobile will have a metallic blue. At least that's what I have seen so far. They both look sharp. Very thin. I just don't think the materials are very quality and it's still Android which, for me, the app offerings are lacking. There's a list of built in features that shine, though a few things just seem like fluff.
A bit too big for my taste of an everyday phone.
-Y.
Maybe it's just me... but I can't get over the circle around the camera, the random dots at the bottom corner, and (most of all) the additional Beats logo on the One X. I actually prefer the white S3 over the One X.
But I suppose that's the beauty of it. To each their own
It's still a nicely designed phone and I'm fine with that... if the tech world can continue to get aesthetically pleasing devices, I'll be happy. And in regards to the S3 design... I didn't like it at first but it's really growing on me. It seems some on this forum were thinking/expecting a major redesign... but it seems like the S3 design was more evolutionary so you can see the family resemblance from the S and S2, which makes sense (to me at least) in terms of branding.
The dots are actually functional. It's for an optional dock. Also I think the GS3 actually looks more like the Galaxy Nexus if anything. I wish it had the soft touch though instead.Maybe it's just me... but I can't get over the circle around the camera, the random dots at the bottom corner, and (most of all) the additional Beats logo on the One X. I actually prefer the white S3 over the One X.
But I suppose that's the beauty of it. To each their own
And in regards to the S3 design... I didn't like it at first but it's really growing on me. It seems some on this forum were thinking/expecting a major redesign... but it seems like the S3 design was more evolutionary so you can see the family resemblance from the S and S2, which makes sense (to me at least) in terms of branding.
- Public transportation outsells taxi
- BigMac outsells a stake house chain
- Windows outsells Mac
- iPhone "outsells every single Android phone"
Apple fans keep saying that iPhone outsells any Android phone. So what does this fact mean? It means nothing about superiority of iPhone, but it means to me that Apple simply has genius sales/marketing machine which is capable selling basic/sometimes obsolete phone at a very high margin. The business model is simple but polished to the perfection:
- Do not manufacture nor invent anything but instead:
- Use other companies' manufacturing capacity, expertise and technologies
- Use basic design and cheaper components: small screens, smaller battery, less RAM, VGA front camera, no OLED, LTE, SD card...
- Sell single product model with rare updates (cheaper production)
- Use cheap Chinese labor
- Pay highest attention to style and industrial design
- Create extreme marketing hype
- Create closed ecosystem
- Litigate and sue
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Galaxy S3 is just as good looking as the phones you mentioned:
Keep in mind that all other phone designs had more freedom in terms of case design because unlike SIII they do not provide access to battery and do not have micro SD card. Besides, in cases, they will all look absolutely identical
Galaxy S3 is just as good looking as the phones you mentioned:
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Keep in mind that all other phone designs had more freedom in terms of case design because unlike SIII they do not provide access to battery and do not have micro SD card. Besides, in cases, they will all look absolutely identical
There's something lacking in the galaxy s, I can't put my finger on it because I am not a designer, but something just isn't there...
Also I should point out that the iphone 4s looks very dated by now, trends and fashions change very quickly in mobile phone tech and the iphone is really showing its age. No wonder it's selling at wall marts.
What I find funny is how rare it is to actually see an iPhone in the flesh. Whether you think the design is dated or a thing if beauty, most folks have them covered in tacky bumpers or full cases.
A lot of people point out the cheap plastic backs to many of Samsung phones. I actually think this is great, as you don't need to carry them in bulky cases, knowing that those cheap backs are fully replaceable for peanuts and can be swapped anytime. They also allow simple access to the battery, which can be replaced, or supplemented for very little cost.
-bad font choice
-non-black or white area around screen
-textured area around screen
-shiny edges
-too many random curves
-too much stuff crammed at the top of the phone
Examples of good looking devices (imo):
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Notice the simplicity and consistancy? The same reason the iPhone is visually appealing.
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Just a guess... is it simple/minimalistic/industrially clean lines that you're trying to put your finger on?
The Nokia N9 (I agree, probably one of the best looking phones), Sony Xperia Ion, Apple iPhone 4S (dated or not, I still think it's a good looking phone) all seem to follow that trend.
On the other side, we have Samsung taking a more organic approach with curves.
I don't know if that's what you're thinking of (and don't want to put words in your mouth) but just throwing that out there