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Samsung's Studio Display Rival Launching in South Korea Next Week for Equivalent of $1,300

dwaite said:
Yeah, there are a handful of doublewide 2.5k (or whatever you want to call those) do have 240Hz support, I believe using DisplayPort 2.x. At least Samsung does not seem to support via HDMI.

This screen uses Thunderbolt 4, which is USB4 PHY. That requires DisplayPort 2.1. Interactions between USB4, Thunderbolt 4 and DP 2.1 are outside my realm of expertise. It may be however that they only have 2.0 controllers and not 2.1 controllers.

The 49" screens being driven at 240 Hz and this panel are possibly different technologies, and this panel may simply not be capable of being driven that high. Easiest way to tell there would be to look for a smaller sibling like a 24" 4k and see if it supports a higher refresh.

It is also worth noting that unlike HDMI which is a pretty bizarre cabling specification, DP is designed by VESA to be able to carry the signal all the way onto the panel, e.g. it is meant to be conducive to have all the internals be DP as well. So it may just be a matter of demand - Samsung is possibly recycling the panel tech that they built for Apple (who would be dual-sourcing with LG). Putting an entirely new 6 month old controller on the panel may just not be something they were going to do for what will probably be a lower-volume product.
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I attribute it to demand, due to differences in text rendering on Windows vs. macOS.

4K 27" looks very good on Windows. 4K 27" on macOS is pretty good, but not as good as on Windows. Apple eliminated sub pixel rendering many years ago, and the quality of text on non-Retina and near-Retina screens has suffered.

On my 163 ppi 3840x2560 Huawei screen, text quality is quite reasonable even with a non-2X scaled resolution, but it's still just not as crisp as my 218 ppi 27" 5K iMac. This is at my ~22" seating distance, even though 163 ppi is mathematically supposed to be considered "Retina" by some at >21" distance, for 20/20 vision. I think something like 4K 24" 184+ ppi (Retina at ~19") would satisfy even more people, and 5K 29.4" 200 ppi (Retina at ~17") would be amazing. 5K 27" 218 ppi (Retina at ~16") seems like overkill for a fixed desktop for most, catering to the top end, but I guess that's how Apple differentiates itself and justifies the pricing for the Apple Studio Display.


Smartuser said:
I'd be a little skeptical about how that "standard matte finish" of the S9 compares to Apple's nano-texture. I have the nano-texture on a 2020 iMac and an Apple Studio Display, and it looks nothing like the "standard matte finish" on a cheap display.
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The claim is not that the S9's matte finish is as good as Apple's nano-texture. The point is many people prefer it over glossy.
 
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Populus said:
If this monitor offers the same glossy finished glass as the ASD, it can be a worthy competitor. Otherwise, personally I don’t want another matte finished display, thank you.
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"Glossy" is the cheap finish, apple started using some years back to save money. The matt finish is an anti-glare coating needed by people who work with color media.

A gloss finish can make color "pop" more if you are into games and whatnot.

So now they offer both
 
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mushy peas said:
All monitor speakers are crap. Save the money, lower the price, and consumers can buy their own speakers, which will be vastly better than anything anyone ships in a monitor.
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I disagree. The speakers in the ASD are good enough for me to stop using my Presonus E4.5 powered speakers. I've loved those speakers since I bought them in 2015 (Well regarded by reviewers and purchasers alike, price was right). I edit videos for a living, no complex sound edits required.

What I may have dropped in perceived audio quality by switching to the ASD's internal speakers (and I really think it isn't much), I have gained in desk space and fewer cables.
 
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Apple or Other, I wish they would give us a 3rd option, why did they get rid of sub-pixel rendering? In 2023 everyone should be able to go to Costco and buy a good monitor with sharp text, usable to do basic edits in the Photos app, and not spend $400.00 /my wish & my budget.
 
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daneoni said:
So if you want 5k you need to drop over a grand. No matter where you look.

And you only get 60hz IPS at 500-600nits.

No mini-LED, no OLED, no high refresh rate.
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To be fair, the desktop monitor market is way behind phones, tablets, laptops, and TVs. There are very few OLED or mini-LED monitors out there still, in 2023. There are high refresh monitors, but they're oriented toward gaming and I haven't seen one above 4K (usually at 27" or 32"), to say nothing of the color gamut.
 
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zapmymac said:
Apple or Other, I wish they would give us a 3rd option, why did they get rid of sub-pixel rendering? In 2023 everyone should be able to go to Costco and buy a good monitor with sharp text, usable to do basic edits in the Photos app, and not spend $400.00 /my wish & my budget.
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Heh. We have been bemoaning this for almost half a decade now. It does push a fair number of people into getting Apple displays though.

However, what I have found is a lot of lower priced monitors aren't necessarily the greatest for other reasons too, not just pixel density. (Colour calibration, viewing angles, reliability, light bleed, etc.) But you shouldn't have to spend $1600 either.

It would be nice to have decent Retina options in the $500-$1200 range, but the lesser need of Retina on the Windows side has made those uncommon. I'm thinking though that we may be on the cusp of more options in the coming year or so... but then again, I've been thinking that way for the last few years, too. ;)
 
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I think the mrsp price is high, but Samsung products usually get discounted quite quickly.
Even now with the discounts you can get it for ₩1.355.000 (with VAT) so it's ₩1.219.500 without which is about $935. (FYI, the apple studio display sells for ₩2.090.000 here in Korea | with VAT)
I am now considering getting it while the discount is active.
 
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If it is 60hz... no thanks. My standard is > 120hz these days. It's not about gaming, I actually have less eye strain with 120hz+ display.
 
Leon Ze Professional said:
If Samsung wants to play in Apples space they need to pay more attention to detail such as:

--> Less plastics and more quality materials used throughout.
--> a less wobbly monitor.
--> provide much better quality speakers that are at least getting close to the ASD.
--> colour match all the accessories why do you have a white remote with a silver monitor?
--> colour match the cabling.

Look Samsung are not scoring all own goals they're getting plenty right like:

--> the 4k detachable webcam. Tick
--> the rotate and height adjustable stand right out of the box. Tick
--> 5k retina quality display. Tick
--> colour calibration features. Tick
--> A matte finished coating. Tick
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You are funny. I wouldn't buy a single Apple product if I supposed to have color match of all accessories. For instance, I have a space grey Macbook Pro. And now help me with buying color matching cables, keyboards, mouse, monitors... :D
 
Smartuser said:
I'd be a little skeptical about how that "standard matte finish" of the S9 compares to Apple's nano-texture. I have the nano-texture on a 2020 iMac and an Apple Studio Display, and it looks nothing like the "standard matte finish" on a cheap display.
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Apple is known for inventing fancy labels for standard tech. For example "liquid retina display" is Apple speak for industry standard term "IPS panel". I suspect "nano-texture" is a similar case.
 
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falainber said:
Apple is known for inventing fancy labels for standard tech. For example "liquid retina display" is Apple speak for industry standard term "IPS panel". I suspect "nano-texture" is a similar case.
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Nano texture is legit. It’s not a traditional matte finish but actual etched glass, and many consider it significantly better than traditional matte finishes. But it’s not all rainbows since it does have some disadvantages too, not the least of which is cost.
 
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ignatius345 said:
My big question is, will it have enough compatibility with MacOS to let you adjust brightness and settings on-screen the way you can with an Apple display? For that kind of money, I don't want to have to be futzing with buttons on the display...
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There are apps out there that can do that for you. I use a Samsung M7, and can change its brightness alongside my MacBook's display with the F1/F2 on the keyboard, or independently from the menu bar (or whatever keyboard shortcut you want). The one I use is called Lunar.
 
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They couldn't even do better than to copy Apples ugly stand? What an embarassment.
Come on Samsung, ask any designer to even try, and you'll get a hundred better options. ...and if you can't locate one, hire one. Engineers aren't designers.
 
EugW said:
At least one person has reported that this is less than US$1000 street price in Korea for pre-order.

If true, that is a big deal, assuming the monitor doesn't suck.
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If this thing is $999 at launch, it's gonna be like $799 by Cyber Monday. Let's freaking go! Just in time to replace my Intel 27" iMac and Intel 16" MBP with a single 14" MBP M3 Max and 5K external display in early 2024.
 
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It’s good to see options. The ASD is now available with the corporate discount from Apple, and it is frequently discounted at authorized resellers. Competition is good.
 
Currently, I don't need a display, but it's probable that I'll need one in a year or two.

If I were buying a display at retail price, I would opt for the ASD over this because it only cost a few hundred more. However, considering Samsung's products tend to go on sale after a few months, this could become a compelling choice for those in the market for a new display, assuming the quality is there.
 
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