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My big question is, will it have enough compatibility with MacOS to let you adjust brightness and settings on-screen the way you can with an Apple display? For that kind of money, I don't want to have to be futzing with buttons on the display...
No it doesn't and you'd change brightness using the remote rather than buttons on the display. However it's likely you can use something like the Lunar app to adjust using the keyboard.
 
Yet another too wide, too small, too bloated for my preferences monitor. I will stay with my old monitors for one more decade.
 
At least one person has reported that this is less than US$1000 street price in Korea for pre-order.

If true, that is a big deal, assuming the monitor doesn't suck.
If this thing is $999 at launch, it's gonna be like $799 by Cyber Monday. Let's freaking go! Just in time to replace my Intel 27" iMac and Intel 16" MBP with a single 14" MBP M3 Max and 5K external display in early 2024.
So far we’ve seen street pricing of US$970 and US$935 in Korea.

I don’t know what what that means for other countries, but that’s an excellent sign for Black Friday / Cyber Monday.
 
Have the ASD with height and tilt adjustable, that design really is phenomenally good - truly is an Apple design harking back to the G4 iMac. It is a lot to pay for that luxury, but i don’t know if any other monitor could compete. The only other design that comes to mind is the Surface Studio, which I think Apple was looking to position themself alongside in combo with the Mac Studio.
 
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Yeah, but if you completely ignore the smart apps menu, you can bypass that lack of speed.

I don't have a Samsung TV, but perhaps my experience with one my Sony TVs may serve as an example. After some Google TV OS updates, my Sony X800E's menu system became extremely slow. Really irritating. However, if you simply use it as a display device with a single input, you never have to use the smart app menu and it works just fine.

To put it another way, my Sony has Netflix as a smart app, but if you try to use that app and Sony's app menu system, it's horribly slow. It makes me want to rip my hair out. However, if I simply treat the TV as a dumb display device and plug an Apple TV into it, everything on the Apple TV including Netflix runs fast.

BTW, I have another Sony TV also running Google TV, and it is much, much faster. It was fast enough that its smart app menu and Netflix on it run decently fast. However, despite this, I still use an Apple TV with it, because Apple TV simply is a better user interface.

We have the Sony 8K Bravia and it looks great with the AppleTV, we just ignore the smart TV stuff too. That seems to be the best of both worlds.
 
So the keyboard buttons don't work (sound and brightness), screen is matte only, speakers are bad quality, and as expected materials on the back are cheap.

But the webcam seems better than Studio Display, it is height adjustable by default. What about VESA?

I honestly don't know what to do.
 
The only other design that comes to mind is the Surface Studio, which I think Apple was looking to position themself alongside in combo with the Mac Studio.
I wish.

The Surface Studio screen always looked to be far beyond anything Apple offers in terms of design - 3:2 aspect ratio (far better for anything other than watching TV), fully tilt-able to near horizontal so you can use it for touch/stylus without "gorilla arms syndrome"... Unfortunately they welded it to a computer with feeble specs and attached a price tag that makes a Mac Studio + Studio Display combo look like a budget option (I think the whole point of the MS Surface range is to make halo products to promote Windows).

I don't know what combination of misconceptions would make someone buy a premium display/touchscreen like that - even at a more sensible price - as an all-in-one without the ability to choose/upgrade the computer separately. Heck, I'd be more inclined to spend the thick end of $5k on a truly unique screen/digitiser combo than an all-in-one with a pre-outdated computer.
 
If I were buying a display at retail price, I would opt for the ASD over this because it only cost a few hundred more.
Hmm.

We'll have to wait for the reviews to see what the display quality is actually like, but there's no particular reason that there's going to be any great difference beyond the "matt vs glossy" debate.

We're talking probably ~$1000 for the Samsung (non-Apple gear typically sells for well under the manufacturer's RRP) vs $2000 for the Studio Display with comparable tilt & swivel stand - or $2300 if you think a glossy display will make your eyeballs bleed (yes, that's not just matte but nano textured and I'm sure its wonderful but there's no other 'just matte' option to compare prices with). So that's quite a price premium to pay without good reason.

The first deal breaker for me would be the Studio Display's lack of additional DisplayPort or HDMI inputs - if I'm going to buy a heirloom-quality display I want to be able to use it with old PCs, Raspberry Pis, surplus set-top boxes etc.

The second deal-breaker is that I'd prefer a matched dual display set up and the Studio Display price makes that totally ridiculous, if you're going to be able to get two Samsungs with comparable image quality for the price of a single SD. (The reality is that I've already bought two 4k+ 3840x2560 28" displays for the price of one Samsung and the extra utility, for me, outweighs the slight compromise in display quality). Ideally - for a second display - I'd prefer a straight display with no speakers, mic, webcam or laptop charging, but I can see that's going to be like wishing for a non-smart TV...

Still, I'm deeply unimpressed by the "Studio Display has wonderful speakers" argument - they're only "wonderful" compared to other tiny speakers crammed into a display. Anybody even tinkering with A/V work (or even anybody who listens to a lot of music on their computer) is best advised to invest in decent external speakers & external audio interface. Likewise, $50 gets you a half-decent webcams. Certainly not things I want to be forced to duplicate in a dual-display setup.

Then, there's the "annoyances" of the SD - like the non-removable mains cable, which is simply indefensible form-over-function nonsense. It's not really a "deal breaker" but it's still going to be a stupid annoyance to have to unlace the mains cable from under the desk every time you want to move the monitor to clean or re-arrange the desk.

Still, the big disincentive of either the Samsung or the SD is that there's really no compelling new display tech around (in 5k/27" sizes) at the moment, and we could see mini/micro-LED or similar displays, higher frame rates etc. within the lifetime of these displays.
 
We're talking probably ~$1000 for the Samsung (non-Apple gear typically sells for well under the manufacturer's RRP) vs $2000 for the Studio Display with comparable tilt & swivel stand
Exactly. I don't get the kind of responses complaining about how expensive the Samsung is - they're comparing RRP on a Samsung device to refurbished ASDs, which is absolutely silly. The difference is more than a couple of hundred, in fact it's going to be pushing anywhere between 45-75% for those of us outside the USA and anyone who needs height adjustment on a monitor.
Still, I'm deeply unimpressed by the "Studio Display has wonderful speakers" argument - they're only "wonderful" compared to other tiny speakers crammed into a display.
Me too. But there's quite a few defensive ASD owners on this forum.
Still, the big disincentive of either the Samsung or the SD is that there's really no compelling new display tech around (in 5k/27" sizes) at the moment, and we could see mini/micro-LED or similar displays, higher frame rates etc. within the lifetime of these displays.
In the next 12 months I'd wager. The price of an ASD in 12 months in probably going to buy you a 6K or 8K miniLED display.
 
If I were buying a display at retail price, I would opt for the ASD over this because it only cost a few hundred more.
You would be very foolish to pay full retail for the Samsung monitor.

60Hz for that price? 🤣
You mean like the Apple Pro Display XDR for US$7000 with height adjustable stand and Nano texture screen?
 
On my 163 ppi 3840x2560 Huawei screen, text quality is quite reasonable even with a non-2X scaled resolution, but it's still just not as crisp as my 218 ppi 27" 5K iMac. This is at my ~22" seating distance, even though 163 ppi is mathematically supposed to be considered "Retina" by some at >21" distance, for 20/20 vision.
"Retina" is only a rule-of-thumb, and yes, its based on 20/20 vision, but remember "20/20" only means normal non-impaired vision and many people will have better-than-20/20. The retina limit is best interpret as "beyond this, you'll see diminishing returns from increasing the resolution".

I have the same display as you (two of them in fact) after previously using a 5k iMac and no, they're not quite as "crisp" as the Apple display - but they're perfectly good and you have to offset that against the whole "I bought two for less than the price of one Samsung - let alone the Studio Display" thing. Also, in the case of the Huawei there's the slight issue of nearly 2" of extra vertical real estate over the SD when running in "looks like 220ppi" mode (alternatively, I find the extra vertical space makes the UI perfectly usable in 2:1 mode without fractional scaling).

The claim is not that the S9's matte finish is as good as Apple's nano-texture. The point is many people prefer it over glossy.
Yes, its the only basis for comparison if someone "must have matte".

However, I don't get this thing for matte displays (and its one of the "minuses" I'm seeing with the Huaweis). If you have windows or lights shining on your display or face you're holding it wrong and should probably buy a cheaper display and use the savings for some blinds or new light fittings (indirect lighting FTW folks) - or, failing that, a monitor hood. A matte display doesn't make reflected light go away, it just pulls the wool over your eyes by scattering it so it is less noticable - sparing you from having to see your phiz reflected in the screen but at the expense of reducing the contrast. If the light is coming from the side or above then a glossy display is better because it will reflect the light away to the other side while a matte finish will scatter some of it into your eyes.

I have a window off to the side of where I sit - which was rarely a problem with the glossy iMac but, with the matte-screen Huaweis come mid-afternoon on a sunny day the display is totally wiped out & I have to close the blinds (oh, the humanity! - but still...) - and had the same experience in reverse years ago in an office when I switched from matte screens - which needed blinds shut on a sunny day - to an Apple Cinema Display which was only a problem when the sun was directly behind.

The 2017-on iMacs also have an optical coating (I'm not talking about the nano-texture) which does greatly reduce reflections without scattering light, which is one plus for Apple.
 
60Hz for that price? 🤣
Do the math.
5k is already 56% more bits-per-second than 4k.
Double the frame rate to 120Hz and you double the required bandwidth.
Even if the display could do it, your GPU probably can't.
Let alone run games (the main use for higher frame rates) at 5k and 120fps.

That's a lot of resources to get slightly smoother scrolling and to stop the mouse cursor from submarining.
 
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We have 2x Studio Displays in the family. Have to say Apple polishes old tech extremely well. Owned many iMacs over the years that all had some imperfections (usually color around edges, albeit very slight). A few Dell 4k monitors that couldn't play perfectly with macOS retina sizing. Hard to be dissatisfied with the Studio Displays even with specs far from the XDR.

Sale price (at Amazon they run $1350) they are near identical to Samsung at full price (of course they will eventually go on sale as well). And compared to Samsung they do have A13. If only Studio Displays had an ATV mode on them...
 
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My admittedly cheap 4:3 10+ year old monitor does 72-75 Hertz, why are we stuck at 60? Any help to my eyes is always appreciated.
Can’t compare. Your monitor isn’t 5k. It’s probably a1080 or 1440 gaming display with nonexistent color accuracy, right? Us designers and retouchers don’t need more than 60hz jacking up the price; we need accurate color, wide gamut, 5K, and a solid build.

Currently nothing can come close to Apple’s offerings. I bought an LG 34WK95U and it’s a plastic piece of wobbly garbage with a just-ok display. My 2015 5K iMac that I sold so I could get a 14” M1 MacBook Pro destroys it but I bought the LG instead of the Studio to save $300 after some reviewers said the Studio was overpriced. Probably the most expensive mistake I ever made. The Studio is an excellent display with god tier speakers as a bonus.
 
My big question is, will it have enough compatibility with MacOS to let you adjust brightness and settings on-screen the way you can with an Apple display? For that kind of money, I don't want to have to be futzing with buttons on the display...

There’s software that can do that
 
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"Retina" is only a rule-of-thumb, and yes, its based on 20/20 vision, but remember "20/20" only means normal non-impaired vision and many people will have better-than-20/20. The retina limit is best interpret as "beyond this, you'll see diminishing returns from increasing the resolution".

I have the same display as you (two of them in fact) after previously using a 5k iMac and no, they're not quite as "crisp" as the Apple display - but they're perfectly good and you have to offset that against the whole "I bought two for less than the price of one Samsung - let alone the Studio Display" thing. Also, in the case of the Huawei there's the slight issue of nearly 2" of extra vertical real estate over the SD when running in "looks like 220ppi" mode (alternatively, I find the extra vertical space makes the UI perfectly usable in 2:1 mode without fractional scaling).
Yes of course. In addition, it's not just natural vision. Some people with glasses are also corrected to a bit better than 20/20. I'm not corrected to better than 20/20 though, and I still see noticeable differences at 163 ppi at 22", even though I agree overall it's pretty nice. OTOH, I still think 200 ppi would be awesome for the vast majority of the population, even at better than 20/20 vision.

IMHO, 200 ppi matched with macOS is perfect. 218 ppi is too high for my tastes, unless you run a non-2X scaled resolution, but I don't like the default scaling options macOS offers on some of its own products.

Actually I think the best of both worlds would simply be to have macOS offer more non-2X scaled options while keeping Apple's chosen 218 ppi for desktops. It still bugs me to no end that Apple does not offer the 2304x1296 option on its 27" displays, even though it offers that on third party 27" class displays like the LG 27" 4K or 2304x1536 on our Huawei 28.2 4K+ displays.


Yes, its the only basis for comparison if someone "must have matte".

However, I don't get this thing for matte displays (and its one of the "minuses" I'm seeing with the Huaweis). If you have windows or lights shining on your display or face you're holding it wrong and should probably buy a cheaper display and use the savings for some blinds or new light fittings (indirect lighting FTW folks) - or, failing that, a monitor hood. A matte display doesn't make reflected light go away, it just pulls the wool over your eyes by scattering it so it is less noticable - sparing you from having to see your phiz reflected in the screen but at the expense of reducing the contrast. If the light is coming from the side or above then a glossy display is better because it will reflect the light away to the other side while a matte finish will scatter some of it into your eyes.

I have a window off to the side of where I sit - which was rarely a problem with the glossy iMac but, with the matte-screen Huaweis come mid-afternoon on a sunny day the display is totally wiped out & I have to close the blinds (oh, the humanity! - but still...) - and had the same experience in reverse years ago in an office when I switched from matte screens - which needed blinds shut on a sunny day - to an Apple Cinema Display which was only a problem when the sun was directly behind.

The 2017-on iMacs also have an optical coating (I'm not talking about the nano-texture) which does greatly reduce reflections without scattering light, which is one plus for Apple.
Both have their plusses and minuses. I have both an iMac and the Huawei side by side. I generally prefer to keep brightness on my monitors relatively low, closer to 100 nits, with room lighting lowish. Actually, that's not even that low, considering Datacolor recommends calibration be done at 100-120 nits.

In this context, reflections from windows become more noticeable on the iMac because the brightness of the screen can't overcome the brightness of the reflections. Yes, lighting placement and screen placement are important, but optimal placement is not always possible. And have you EVER seen an iMac or Apple Studio Display with a hood? Me neither. I'm sure they exist, but are by no means a popular solution.

As for the Huawei, I agree. It may be the matte coating is one of the minuses in one regard, since there is a distinct loss of brightness off-axis. However, I think it's just this particular monitor, because the matte 30" Apple Cinema HD Display did not have the same off-axis loss of brightness. And of course the matte Nano texture ASD is supposed to be vastly superior, albeit with a slight loss of text clarity.
 
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This is absolutely hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
Samsung literally have no shame at all.
They could at least try even a tiny bit to not copy Apple's products exactly?
Sure why spend any time developing your own products when you can just get Apple to do all the product design for you :rolleyes:
 
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