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I viewed this site on my iPhone and zoomed in on the pic of the Samsung phone and it was like looking into a mirror that has a mirror placed opposite of it or taking a camera and focusing on the view finder. :p
 
Define "normal people" :)



As I just pointed out in another thread, we had browsing, GPS navigation, apps, Google Maps, Slingplayer, VoIP and in many countries, video calls, in what you think were the dark ages before the iPhone came along.

Normal people as in people who would not put up with those so called "web browsers" on those so called smartphones before the iPhone came along.
 
Nope, but one person gets to Veto a product. Him!

its good to be at the top of the food chain!

Sure, he really had great taste and gave consumers what they wanted, the sales are evident of this :D - You need to have the best products, ideas and also run a great business and he micro managed it all.

Sure he said that in public. He's quite a bit different behind closed doors. He even took credit for some of Ive's design, which didn't make Ive very happy.

Steve Jobs wasn't this humble guy you think he was. Sure he was a visionary and got Apple where it is today, but I certainly wouldn't be friends with the guy.

His friends would say different, and those people close to him at Apple who he spent the most time with.

He strived for perfection, he should be given credit for the idea to do it the right way and getting people talking, he may not have done all the dirty work himself but he got people doing the best work of their lives.
 
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Just wanna let you know that galaxy s is neither the same size as the iphone nor the same aspect ratio. I also like how they photoshopped the menu and back button out too, real classy. Also if any of you guys have actually used android you'd realize its definitely not similar to ios at all. The home screen is entirely different and its a lot more context based. Theres some things that apple should actually copy from them like the dedicated back button as opening a link in an email and then going back to an email is very disorienting in ios.
 
Take a look at phones before the 2007 introduction of the iPhone -- the picture above of the RAZR and Samsung's copy is a good clue. Take a look at phones after 2007.

Now tell me, with a straight face, if the iPhone wasn't introduced in 2007 that the vast majority of phones would look exactly as they do today.

A lot was going on back in 2007. Most of us had tiny phones with tiny screens and no apps.

It was a matter of time before screens got larger. So really, I can say with a straight face that even without iPhone, we may have still gotten phones with larger screens and no physical keyboards.

I can also say that the iPhone is *THE* prettiest and sexiest device out there. Sadly, the sleekness is ruined by people putting on cases to protect how sexy it is.
 
How's him copying related to him being Asian? Asian's got their own inventions.

Quite so. We all know about the inventiveness and artistic achievements of the Chinese and Japanese. The Koreans are believed to have invented movable metal type well before Gutenberg and I believe that they built the first iron ship.
Samsung's designs may be rather derivative but they certainly make good components or there wouldn't be so many of them in Apple's products.
 
Just look at it

When you see the outright copying of trade dress, icons and so on -- even down to the white box that these phones are packed in -- the copying is obvious. Note, not patents, but pure imitation.
 
Apple bought the smartphone to the masses. Case closed. Some reporter using some smartphone in 2001 that no one knew about, or had, or probably could afford means nothing hehe :D

I actually disagree with that. Palm brought the smartphone to the masses. They then subsequently ******* it up.

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Just wanna let you know that galaxy s is neither the same size as the iphone nor the same aspect ratio. I also like how they photoshopped the menu and back button out too, real classy. Also if any of you guys have actually used android you'd realize its definitely not similar to ios at all. The home screen is entirely different and its a lot more context based. Theres some things that apple should actually copy from them like the dedicated back button as opening a link in an email and then going back to an email is very disorienting in ios.

On an iPad it's a single swipe of your hand. On the iphone its a click of a home buton and a tap of the mail icon ( which almost everyone has on thier dock.) not that difficult. The back button and the home button duplicate functionality most times on Android....bad design.
 
Apple bought the smartphone to the masses. Case closed. Some reporter using some smartphone in 2001 that no one knew about, or had, or probably could afford means nothing hehe :D

I am just going to point out that this is an example of Apple lovers doing the standard rewriting of history.
Apple did not start the smart phone wave nor were they the ones to bring it to the masses.
That falls on both Rim and yes Samsung. The first smart phone I saw really being out there in the masses was the Samsung Blackjack which was released well over year or 2 before the iPhone.


So you base a good part of your argument on comparing the App draw being open Android to iOS.
You should put them on the home screen. iOS only has the android equivalent of the App draw.
 
I am just going to point out that this is an example of Apple lovers doing the standard rewriting of history.
Apple did not start the smart phone wave nor were they the ones to bring it to the masses.
That falls on both Rim and yes Samsung. The first smart phone I saw really being out there in the masses was the Samsung Blackjack which was released well over year or 2 before the iPhone.

hehe the Samsung Blackjack! I'll rephrase what I meant: Apple bought smartphones that people actually wanted to the masses. The blackjack hehe, that's a good one :D
 
It's the details that matter. I just moved from iPhone to the G. Note. While they are similar, the Note is distinctly different, and, in my opinion, different in a good way. The iPhone feels very impersonal with hard edges everywhere. The Note feels sculpted and friendly, something I want to pick up more than the iPhone.

After reading Jobs biography and learning the agonizing detail that goes into design, the important differences are in those details. In that way the Note is nothing like the iPhone.

Nice try, Samsung VP
 
Wirelessly posted

I only saw that in pictures until a few days ago. I seriously thought it was a third part Apple charger. I had to chuckle knowing the controversy around all this when I fjnay saw the Samsung logo. I was tempted to plug it into my iPhone but that would be debauchery.
 
Agree with earlier poster that Samsung has been ripping off others for years.


They finally started making their own designs (pretty good ones) but the lawsuit is about the ones they ripped off.

We have to remember this was the culture for years as they tried to compete with Japanese, American and European designs.
 
Samsung had been making one button designs on their mp3 players before the iPhone came out.

Iphone 4 vs. LG Prada

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Layout is similar and the icons are near identical. Prada first shown Sept 2006, iPhone Jan 2007.

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Apple design cues from Braun

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Black rounded-corner glass front: check.

The black glass is actually the only thing that the US District Court has commented might make Samsung infringe.

Slit earpiece: check.

Nope. The rounded corners and slit earpiece are functional, and thus not protectable. They were also used in a Sharp Japanese design patent that was filed two years before the iPhone's first two design patents (in the middle):

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Front-facing camera to left of slit earpiece: check.
Home button on opposite edge from earpiece: check.

Nope. Phones had front-facing cameras before Apple, and home buttons have always been below the screen.

Btw, the side view is not protected. Apple left it out of their design patents by using broken lines:

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The real test is to imagine an Apple logo on the Galaxy phone (or any other Samsung product.) If it looks like something Apple has already designed, with a few detail differences, it's a copy.

On the contary, the detail differences are partly what legally decides what is a copy or not.

The court commented on this aspect. They said that the similarity between the Sharp and Apple front views meant that more attention could be paid to the smaller details such as the difference in number and shape of buttons, and the fact that the Samsung had a front-facing camera which did not exist on the iPhone designs at the time. They also pointed out the big Samsung logo and carrier markings could be considered.
 
Of course they didn't technically invent the smartphone, but really, did normal people use smartphones before the iPhone? Before 2007, most people bought phones based on the shape and color of the plastic surrounding the phone. Noe one used Facebook, Twitter, Skype, or even truly browsed the internet on their phone. Sure, you could slowly download images if you typed in the precise URL for an extremely large fee, but that was pretty much it.

Apple didn't invent the tablet PC either. But did anyone use a tablet before the iPad?? Sure, a few weird businessmen, but honestly, I doubt your everyday normal people/friends did.

Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but they invented the useable smartphone for normal people, which is pretty much all that matters. The only reason every other manufacturer, like Samsung, started making smartphones, was because of the success of the iPhone. It's not coincidence. Sure, they could have done it earlier, but they didn't, because no one thought it would work, except of course Apple.

In a nutshell.
It always amuses me how much computer geeks despise "normal people".
 
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Samsung had been making one button designs on their mp3 players before the iPhone came out.

Iphone 4 vs. LG Prada

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Layout is similar and the icons are near identical. Prada first shown Sept 2006, iPhone Jan 2007.

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Apple design cues from Braun

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Difference is Braun isn't competing against Apple in the same market and isn't one of Apple's suppliers.
 
His friends would say different, and those people close to him at Apple who he spent the most time with.

He strived for perfection, he should be given credit for the idea to do it the right way and getting people talking, he may not have done all the dirty work himself but he got people doing the best work of their lives.

Did you read the biography? This is coming out of his friends mouths. They think he's a great guy, but they are well aware that he's an *******.
 
In a nutshell.
It always amuses me how much computer geeks despise "normal people".


Exactly. I work for a fortune 400 company in IT and I am always amazed at the disdain most technical folks have for the average Joe.

I told one of my co workers during a heated Mac versus PC battle when he claimed Apple users were idiots, that I would bet him a months paycheck if he would go with me to the mall here in Hawaii and try to pickup girls, winner take all.
He could bring his 15 Pound laptop with SLI and Raid and show the pretty girls his Level 85 Shaman on WoW, and tell her sweet things like how fast his RAID is, or that he modded the BIOS to over clock the CPU 4.62 percent.

I, in turn, would take my Macbook Air and ask the pretty girls if they would like to look at pictures of Maui and listen to some cool tunes.

He declined.....
 
I've noticed that in this thread, posts bashing Samsung are massively upvoted, while posts saying otherwise are downvoted. Stay classy.
 
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