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Samsung's VP for Design Offended by Apple's Allegations of Copying
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Oh please. At this point accusing Samsung (and Google) of ripping off Apple is such an obvious charge that it can't even be considered fanboyism. It's just an obvious fact. The whole Android architecture, both hardware and software, are exactly what Windows was in the 80's and 90's, a cheaper, "open-source" version of what Apple is doing. Get over it. Move on.
Listening to this doofus claim design credit for their Androids is like listening to Vanilla Ice claim that he didn't just steal his beats from Queen's "Under Pressure." Yeah, there's an "extra ding" in there. We get it. We just don't buy it.
Listening to this doofus claim design credit for their Androids is like listening to Vanilla Ice claim that he didn't just steal his beats from Queen's "Under Pressure." Yeah, there's an "extra ding" in there. We get it. We just don't buy it.
Exactly, and Samsung has never made a "near perfect carbon copy".
Instead of making an easy clone, they actually take the much harder route of coming close with design cues, but without directly copying. Can't say if that's the smartest thing to do, though.
That's partly because Rams has a lot of class.
More importantly, Apple's products were never in direct competition with his products. They were separated by decades, thus Apple could claim their designs were in homage. The question is, how long must a separation be for that to be true? Ten years? Two years? Six months? Everything is relative
People downrank you because you keep dwelling on being downranked hehe
. I don't think the downranks mean anything!
Thousands of sketches and hundreds of prototypes, yet his bosses kept asking him to make it more like Apple.
That's a load of c%^p!
I recently setup a new samsung galaxy s II lte for one of our employees and I could not believe the level of copying that has been done by samsung:
- the box and the insert looks like an iPhone box
- the plastic holder for the phone is an exact replica down to the circle in the middle and cut outs for volume buttons
- charger exact replica (black)
I'm not going to even talk about the phone itself.
The best part was the android os that crashed when I tried to access the android market and the GPS weather setup that could not find my location and timed out.
I recently setup a new samsung galaxy s II lte for one of our employees and I could not believe the level of copying that has been done by samsung:
- the box and the insert looks like an iPhone box
- the plastic holder for the phone is an exact replica down to the circle in the middle and cut outs for volume buttons
- charger exact replica (black)
I'm not going to even talk about the phone itself.
The best part was the android os that crashed when I tried to access the android market and the GPS weather setup that could not find my location and timed out.
Umm, no. The only similarity is that Prada was the first all-screen capacitative touch screen phone prior to iPhone. That's it. The UI was nothing, and I mean nothing, like the iPhone's multitouch interface with touch optimized UI elements and apps.
Most people on the internet haven't even seen Prada in real life but since it has become a meme, every person who wants to discredit Apple's influence in the industry is trying to use it as evidence. If you use it, you'll see quickly how different and outdated the LG UI was.
Lee Minhyouk is a good artist and a great actor - he left out one minor detail, his inspiration comes from Apple products.
A great example of how a huge corporation can be behind ordinary people in putting on a mock show. Samsung, like many asian companies, have no respect for trademarks, copyrights, laws. Stealing, piracy is a cultural way of life unfortunately in these parts of the world. We're all imperfect, have flaws, but this behavior is part of their skin, their morals, fabric and values.
A great example of how a huge corporation can be behind ordinary people in putting on a mock show. Samsung, like many asian companies, have no respect for trademarks, copyrights, laws. Stealing, piracy is a cultural way of life unfortunately in these parts of the world. We're all imperfect, have flaws, but this behavior is part of their skin, their morals, fabric and values.
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Sometimes, or so I hear, people are offended by insults even if those insults are true.
I especially admire his “work" on the Samsung charger, tablet packaging, and sync cable that are practically plaster casts of Apple’s.
Having unique design would have been slavishly copying all the hardware makers who decided NOT to clone Apple... I guess. (Granted, their software is still an Apple clone at heart... except in Microsoft’s case.)
I especially admire his “work" on the Samsung charger, tablet packaging, and sync cable that are practically plaster casts of Apple’s.
Having unique design would have been slavishly copying all the hardware makers who decided NOT to clone Apple... I guess. (Granted, their software is still an Apple clone at heart... except in Microsoft’s case.)
More importantly, Apple's products were never in direct competition with his products. They were separated by decades, thus Apple could claim their designs were in homage. The question is, how long must a separation be for that to be true? Ten years? Two years? Six months? Everything is relative
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Cool haven´t seen those before. Thats a hell of a good looking calculator.
Never implied I was a artist. Just someone who's seen plenty of designs and marketing come and go over the decades.
And no, you don't get off that easy
Throwing out one-line insults doesn't do anything for your claim.
It's possible that you do actually know enough to be able to explain your reasoning to everyone. Unfortunately, we won't know it unless you try.
Thanks!
And no, you don't get off that easy
Throwing out one-line insults doesn't do anything for your claim.
It's possible that you do actually know enough to be able to explain your reasoning to everyone. Unfortunately, we won't know it unless you try.
Thanks!
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Of course they didn't technically invent the smartphone, but really, did normal people use smartphones before the iPhone? Before 2007, most people bought phones based on the shape and color of the plastic surrounding the phone. Noe one used Facebook, Twitter, Skype, or even truly browsed the internet on their phone. Sure, you could slowly download images if you typed in the precise URL for an extremely large fee, but that was pretty much it.
Apple didn't invent the tablet PC either. But did anyone use a tablet before the iPad?? Sure, a few weird businessmen, but honestly, I doubt your everyday normal people/friends did.
Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but they invented the useable smartphone for normal people, which is pretty much all that matters. The only reason every other manufacturer, like Samsung, started making smartphones, was because of the success of the iPhone. It's not coincidence. Sure, they could have done it earlier, but they didn't, because no one thought it would work, except of course Apple.
Exactly. You don't have to be the inventor. Apple is the one that bought the smartphone to the masses and everyone started mass producing smartphones right after they saw Apple's success. It's so funny when people try to act like that's not what happened hehe
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Don't be forgetting the board member google had on apples at the time. Don't you think after the dispute that parted their ways might have something to do with it. You don't think a board member gets to see design concepts. They never came up with idea.
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Don't be forgetting the board member google had on apples at the time. Don't you think after the dispute that parted their ways might have something to do with it. You don't think a board member gets to see design concepts. They never came up with idea.
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"Lee admits that he may not be at the level of Apple's VP for design Jonathan Ive, but believes Samsung "will produce such iconic products one day."
Not using your "cookie-cutter" press you wont.
Not using your "cookie-cutter" press you wont.
First, there are people who believe that and then there are people who have actually used a Prada. Not the same thing at all. It was probably one of many natural stepping stones that lead us to the iPhone.
Second, good point about Apple also copying. While Apple is probably the biggest innovator in consumer tech at the moment, all companies feed off of each other for ideas and inspiration. I don't agree that they copy as much, but nothing is created in a vacuum.
Third, you're a bit of a blinded fan(boy?) yourself. You are so quick to declare the death of Apple without looking at history. There are countless examples of companies that continued to innovate and dominate once their visionary leader passed away. When Walt Disney passed, people felt that the era of Disney dominating animation and children's programming was over. He was clearly the driving force behind the company, both creatively and financially. But try telling that to Randy Newman. Decades (and many Oscars) later it is clear that Disney is still a leader when it comes to animated films, family programming, and amusement parks. When Ray Croc died, no one expected McDonalds to continue to grow and dominate the fast food industry. Ray Croc was the brains behind their business model. They're still #1, and by a wide margin.
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There were plenty. They were pretty rubbish by comparison. I used a windows mobile for about five years unroll I upgraded to an iPhone. There were also blackberries and the like. But there not the same. They did have touch screens but most of the interface was so tiny I had to use a stylus. But I could dial with finger touch etc. also recal how incredibly messy the interface was. iPhone was a blessing from the gods at the time.
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There were plenty. They were pretty rubbish by comparison. I used a windows mobile for about five years unroll I upgraded to an iPhone. There were also blackberries and the like. But there not the same. They did have touch screens but most of the interface was so tiny I had to use a stylus. But I could dial with finger touch etc. also recal how incredibly messy the interface was. iPhone was a blessing from the gods at the time.
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what an idiot.
i may be a fanboy and biased, but I've had my very non-computer/tech savvy friends come up to me and say they thought they saw and ipad or iphone and it turns out they were samsung products.
it's a cheap copy and no wonder Jobsy was so p*ssed.
As he said competition is good, but don't blatantly copy our products (or something along that line).
screw samsung!
i may be a fanboy and biased, but I've had my very non-computer/tech savvy friends come up to me and say they thought they saw and ipad or iphone and it turns out they were samsung products.
it's a cheap copy and no wonder Jobsy was so p*ssed.
As he said competition is good, but don't blatantly copy our products (or something along that line).
screw samsung!
Exactly, and Samsung has never made a "near perfect carbon copy".
Instead of making an easy clone, they actually take the much harder route of coming close with design cues, but without directly copying. Can't say if that's the smartest thing to do, though.
That's partly because Rams has a lot of class.
More importantly, Apple's products were never in direct competition with his products. They were separated by decades, thus Apple could claim their designs were in homage. The question is, how long must a separation be for that to be true? Ten years? Two years? Six months? Everything is relative
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You could argue because Rams design were decades old they would not be relevant in modern times. Ive sees it all very differently...
Different markets en all and whereas the inspiration is there, the blatant copying isn't. Samsung whilst did not duplicate the design in its entirety certainly took 95% of the iPhone/iPad design IMO.
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I just realized. By claiming he designed a great phone that happens to look a lot like an iPhone he is imitating Ive's success. He's really trying to say "how about me I'm good too. Where's my Knute hood?" this article is so much fun. Works going to fun tomorrow too.
I just realized. By claiming he designed a great phone that happens to look a lot like an iPhone he is imitating Ive's success. He's really trying to say "how about me I'm good too. Where's my Knute hood?" this article is so much fun. Works going to fun tomorrow too.
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Never implied I was a artist. Just someone who's seen plenty of designs and marketing come and go over the decades.
And no, you don't get off that easy
Throwing out one-line insults doesn't do anything for your claim.
It's possible that you do actually know enough to be able to explain your reasoning to everyone. Unfortunately, we won't know it unless you try.
Thanks!
Do you think that when Apple design iPod they researched all the design and like Rams work so they copied it? Or they're talk about the the size, the weight, the function, how would you navigate the music and when they get all that, and the designer that respect the same design principle as Ram, they then proceed to design the iPod?
Which one is you think closer to what actually happened?