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Samsung's VP for Design Offended by Apple's Allegations of Copying

baryon said:
Of course they didn't technically invent the smartphone, but really, did normal people use smartphones before the iPhone?
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Define "normal people" :)

Before 2007, most people bought phones based on the shape and color of the plastic surrounding the phone. No one used Facebook, Twitter, Skype, or even truly browsed the internet on their phone.
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As I just pointed out in another thread, we had browsing, GPS navigation, apps, Google Maps, Slingplayer, VoIP and in many countries, video calls, in what you think were the dark ages before the iPhone came along.

When you have time and a big screen, please read the article in this year 2001 CIO magazine entitled "Wireless in Manhattan", starting on page 90.

In it, a reporter roams the city using one of the first wireless data (19Kbps) smartphones.

You might be pretty shocked to find out that one of the apps she used was a Starbucks locator :)
 
kdarling said:
Define "normal people" :)



As I just pointed out in another thread, we had browsing, GPS navigation, apps, Google Maps, Slingplayer and VoIP in what you think were the dark ages before the iPhone came along.

When you have time and a big screen, please read the article in this year 2001 CIO magazine entitled "Wireless in Manhattan", starting on page 90.

In it, a reporter roams the city using one of the first wireless data (19Kbps) smartphones.

You might be pretty shocked to find out that one of the apps she used was a Starbucks locator :)
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Apple bought the smartphone to the masses. Case closed. Some reporter using some smartphone in 2001 that no one knew about, or had, or probably could afford means nothing hehe :D
 
Iconoclysm said:
Because you're either blind, deluded, or just plain dumb to think that there have ever been this many similarities - especially with Samsung even putting iPhone icons on their backdrops at tradeshows. There were freaking Safari logos on there, for instance.
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I remember this. So while the Apple haters are going to comment all over this thread saying Apple didn't invent the smartphone (who said they did) and other disingenuous claptrap, the point isn't who invented the smartphone, it's that Samsung has a weird history of really really blatantly copying Apple's iOS, Apple's look, their commercials and how they're done, their ads (I'm in advertising I should mention so more keen to note this), to outright stealing and positioning their products as if they ARE Apple products, they unabashedly do this then act shocked, feigning "[gasp] why we never..." THAT'S what most of us here, fanboy or not, are like "um... yeah, right, you're offended really?" I don't think Android, Windows, or Blackberry take that many cues from the iPhone, but Samsung's stuff it's like there's not an original idea in their vacuous heads, so what this guy says all I can say is maybe he's doing it for the LULZ though sadly I think this moron is serious.
 
Of course, it is just a total coincidence that it looks like the best selling Apple products. Well, as they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I guess Samsung's just an Apple fan.
 
Noodlefarmer said:
Prada?
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Really Prada? Have you used it? I did and it was the most useless device I've ever owned. The touch was abysmal and the software extremely buggy.

LG Prada was released on December 15, 2006 and the iPhone announced on January 9, 2007, and released on June 29, 2007 so would you care to explain how Apple got inspired in less than a week then went back to the drawing board to add all those new unannounced features less than 6 months including testing, manufacture, and shipping. Think not... :eek:

The only inspiration to gain from the Prada is how not to do it :D
 
baryon said:
Of course they didn't technically invent the smartphone, but really, did normal people use smartphones before the iPhone? Before 2007, most people bought phones based on the shape and color of the plastic surrounding the phone. Noe one used Facebook, Twitter, Skype, or even truly browsed the internet on their phone. Sure, you could slowly download images if you typed in the precise URL for an extremely large fee, but that was pretty much it.

Apple didn't invent the tablet PC either. But did anyone use a tablet before the iPad?? Sure, a few weird businessmen, but honestly, I doubt your everyday normal people/friends did.

Apple didn't invent the smartphone, but they invented the useable smartphone for normal people, which is pretty much all that matters. The only reason every other manufacturer, like Samsung, started making smartphones, was because of the success of the iPhone. It's not coincidence. Sure, they could have done it earlier, but they didn't, because no one thought it would work, except of course Apple.
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Exactly! In the same sense that Da Vinci and Picasso didn't INVENT painting and the Beatles didn't INVENT rock and roll. But they did reinvent it. They gave us a new approach, a new benchmark. They set the new standards. So does Apple.
 
vito said:
Really Prada? Have you used it? I did and it was the most useless device I've ever owned. The touch was abysmal and the software extremely buggy.

LG Prada was released on December 15, 2006 and the iPhone announced on January 9, 2007, and released on June 29, 2007 so would you care to explain how Apple got inspired in less than a week then went back to the drawing board to add all those new unannounced features less than 6 months including testing, manufacture, and shipping. Think not... :eek:

The only inspiration to gain from the Prada is how not to do it :D
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Saying "prada" is what people say as some kind of silly trump card without actually realizing what actually happened. All they know is the prada had a touchscreen and could surf the internet. To them that means Apple took inspiration, design and features from it hehe...:D
 
kdarling said:
Define "normal people" :)



As I just pointed out in another thread, we had browsing, GPS navigation, apps, Google Maps, Slingplayer, VoIP and in many countries, video calls, in what you think were the dark ages before the iPhone came along.

When you have time and a big screen, please read the article in this year 2001 CIO magazine entitled "Wireless in Manhattan", starting on page 90.

In it, a reporter roams the city using one of the first wireless data (19Kbps) smartphones.

You might be pretty shocked to find out that one of the apps she used was a Starbucks locator :)
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The average Joe on the street, you walk past them everyday.

Just because you had all of the above before the iPhone, you didn't have all those features executed very well, in a manner which attracted the masses. The delivery of these technologies is even more important than their creation. You need a device which packages tech together, emphasis certain bits and not others as much.

Apple got the correct formula as now everyone is envious of their success and tries their up most to copy.. I mean "innovate" (very loosely).
 
Genetheninja said:
um yeah... and I bet he thinks Vanilla Ice didn't copy the beat to "Ice, Ice baby" either...

Steve Jobs quoted Picasso when he said, "Good Artists Copy; Great Artists Steal"

This guy copied and it's not even a good copy but at least Steve was honest about it.

I've seen these phones around and keep mistaking them for iPhones.
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I've seen them and I can always tell them apart. What's with Apple fan boys not being able to trek the difference? It seems to me there are a lot more Android fan boys who can tell the difference compared to Apple fan boys. It's pretty easy to tell them apart. On topic, I have to agree with the majority of the people here. When I saw that USB cable for the galaxy tab I said wtf.
 
Belly-laughs said:
There's a difference between "design cue" and a near perfect carbon copy, you know.

Ive is inspired by Braun/Brahms of the 50's and 60's, no secret at all. But there is and always has been a design philosphy deep in the soul of Apple, proven by their continued ability to release both hardware and software avant garde in the industry.

I don't think anyone really fail to see the difference between Apple's and Samsung's approach to designing a product, it's just childish denial and unwillingness to applaud the originals.
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And there's a difference between being inspired by a design legend from 30-40 years ago and copying something that came out 4-5 years ago.
 
kdarling said:
Exactly, and Samsung has never made a "near perfect carbon copy".

Instead of making an easy clone, they actually take the much harder route of coming close with design cues, but without directly copying. Can't say if that's the smartest thing to do, though.



That's partly because Rams has a lot of class.

More importantly, Apple's products were never in direct competition with his products. They were separated by decades, thus Apple could claim their designs were in homage. The question is, how long must a separation be for that to be true? Ten years? Two years? Six months? Everything is relative :)

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So you can copy someone as long as its not in direct competition? Copying is copying as far as I am concerned and everyone in the industry does it. Including Apple.
 
The real test for originality

MacRumors said:
It's a totally different product with a different design language...
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Black rounded-corner glass front: check.
Slit earpiece: check.
Front-facing camera to left of slit earpiece: check.
Home button on opposite edge from earpiece: check.

The real test is to imagine an Apple logo on the Galaxy phone (or any other Samsung product.)
If it looks like something Apple has already designed, with a few detail differences, it's a copy.

Any summer intern could have designed the exterior of the phone in the photo.
The internals, of course, are a different matter. But Apple isn't suing Samsung over the hardware layout (yet).
 
LG Prada???

I saw a post that eluded to Apple copying the LG Prada. If you want to see a good copy of the LG Prada, look no further than the Samsung Solstice. I had an iPhone 3G ad then switched to the Solstice for two years to save money. So if you want to see a different version of the LG Prada with a worse feel and UI, then look no further. As soon as my contract was up with that horrible phone, I got another iPhone again.


"eluded" should be "alluded." Wow.
 
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vito said:
Really Prada? Have you used it? I did and it was the most useless device I've ever owned. The touch was abysmal and the software extremely buggy.
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The only inspiration to gain from the Prada is how not to do it
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Saying "LG Prada was iPhone's inspiration" has become one of worst memes on the internet. The biggest revolution iPhone brought to the scene was the full multitouch UI and capable web browsing. Prada had none of that.
 
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who cares? im still using the nokia phone that literally can drop from 5th floor and still working.
 
Well he ain't going to say they copied Apple are they??

That would kinda ruin the next 12 months of MR posts about Legal innovation in the mobile market between Apple, Samsung and everyone else. And we all know how much we love those stories!!!!

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raizil said:
who cares? im still using the nokia phone that literally can drop from 5th floor and still working.
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and the battery lasted for a week +

Ahh those dark ages where you would not have to recharge or carry a usb cable around.... feel sorry for those people! We have it so good these days!
 
FFArchitect said:
"and I'm the one who made it"

I distinctly remembering Steve Jobs stating repeatedly that it wasn't just him, emphasizing that thousands of people were involved in their innovations.

He could learn a lesson or two about cultivating a culture around Samsung's development.
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Haha, he also took credit for ideas that came from other people within apple... telling them he hates it and then going into the boardroom and presenting a visual of "his idea".

You should read the biography on him...
 
warfed said:
Haha, he also took credit for ideas that came from other people within apple... telling them he hates it and then going into the boardroom and presenting a visual of "his idea".

You should read the biography on him...
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He was running the company he founded, he was a visionary, he said on numerous occasions that all products apple creates are not just done by one person. He was the face of Apple, what do you expect, name everyone who worked on a product by name, all those in design, manufacture, logistics, sales, it's always a team effort.
 
I'm an android fan.
I have an HTC sensation. It looks and interacts completely different to the iphone.
I also like samsung products, and will defend them where necessary.
But even I look and play with the samsung galaxy phones, and think "um, its an iphone with widgets".

Seriously, there is no need for samsung to copy the iphone so closely.
Virtually all other android manufacturers manage to bring out unique looking phones with their own unique adapation of android that doesn't resemble iOS.
Samsung just copies apple, both in terms of looks of the phone, and how they adapt android.
End of discussion.
 
vito said:
He was running the company he founded, he was a visionary, he said on numerous occasions that all products apple creates are not just done by one person. He was the face of Apple, what do you expect, name everyone who worked on a product by name, all those in design, manufacture, logistics, sales, it's always a team effort.
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Nope, but one person gets to Veto a product. Him!

its good to be at the top of the food chain!
 
vito said:
He was running the company he founded, he was a visionary, he said on numerous occasions that all products apple creates are not just done by one person. He was the face of Apple, what do you expect, name everyone who worked on a product by name, all those in design, manufacture, logistics, sales, it's always a team effort.
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Sure he said that in public. He's quite a bit different behind closed doors. He even took credit for some of Ive's design, which didn't make Ive very happy.

Steve Jobs wasn't this humble guy you think he was. Sure he was a visionary and got Apple where it is today, but I certainly wouldn't be friends with the guy.
 
TheMacBookPro said:
It seems that I am one of the few members here who actually has eyes that are capable of vision.

Not once have I ever mistaken a Samsung product for an iPhone, even at a fleeting glance. The size, the side and the rear are completely different (as in, there are absolutely no similarities there). As for the front? There's a piece of glass and a black/white bezel and that's where the similarities end. The difference in screen size alone should tell you everything.
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