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San Francisco to Block Most Municipal Mac Purchases Following Apple's EPEAT Withdrawal

Wow people take it personally when Apple stops being EPEAT certified, and really go to great lengths to make everyone else be the "bad guy", just so they don't have to tarnish their opinion of Apple.

Craziness! :eek:
 
KnightWRX said:
No one is painting them as anything. The rules are to buy EPEAT certified stuff, Apple decided not to certify their stuff, hence they should expect purchases from agencies that need to respect this rule to stop.
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Oh come on.....it's not even subtle. You have the director of SF's Dept of the Environment talking about how disappointed she is in Apple.

It's not because she really hates iOS 6.
 
It does sadden me to hear the stereotypical "We're American and rich and should be able to do as we dam well like, and sod the environment" type of comments a few on these forums are saying.
 
Whoa.

I know S.F. is very eco-conscious, they just passed a law requiring composting alongside recycling bins (which I give them major credit for implementing). This is interesting.
 
Piggie said:
It does sadden me to hear the stereotypical "We're American and rich and should be able to do as we dam well like, and sod the environment" type of comments a few on these forums are saying.
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You should hear kids these days. They think they deserve everything for free.

bedifferent said:
Whoa.

I know S.F. is very eco-conscious, they just passed a law requiring composting alongside recycling bins (which I give them major credit for implementing). This is interesting.
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I think SF ids a $%#^#bag with all of their crazy left wing rules but environmental stuff is a necessity these days. Downtown Long Beach is also pretty good with recycling and cleaning. Its nice to see clean streets these days.
 
Piggie said:
It does sadden me to hear the stereotypical "We're American and rich and should be able to do as we dam well like, and sod the environment" type of comments a few on these forums are saying.
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Yes, we should be allowed to have products that push the boundaries of design, and not saddle ourselves with stagnant technology because of someone's silly ideas about everything needing to come apart with a screwdriver.
 
The problem with environmentalism is, its biggest supporters are IDIOTS! Good for Apple, EPEAT is equivalent to the mob (just paying protection money).
 
ugahairydawgs said:
Oh come on.....it's not even subtle. You have the director of SF's Dept of the Environment talking about how disappointed she is in Apple.
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Well considering she's responsible for the city following environnemental guidelines which include buying EPEAT certified gear... what exactly are you trying to say about her ? Subtle what ?

She's not criticizing Apple, she's simply stating the obvious : they can't buy Apple gear anymore.

ugahairydawgs said:
It's not because she really hates iOS 6.
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It's probably not no, since this has nothing to do with iOS 6.
 
They can buy 1-2 year old Macs in the mean time. Apple clearly is going to more all-in-one type designs and EPEAT is contrary to that. The rule to use EPEAT qualified "equipment" is fine, but Apple's computers are consumer devices or appliances now. They are EOLing all their "equipment". The rule itself needs to be changed because the way Apple approaches it is "more green", but with a different methodology than mandated by EPEAT.

Rocketman
 
isdmd10 said:
Yeah. Innovation and freedom suck.
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Tell that to the automotive and oil and gas industries that have stifled innovation away from the combustion engine. We have made major advances in technology in the past 5 years alone, yet a century later we're still using the same engine Ford "borrowed" from a German engineer. Doesn't add up.
 
Piggie said:
It does sadden me to hear the stereotypical "We're American and rich and should be able to do as we dam well like, and sod the environment" type of comments a few on these forums are saying.
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Nobody is saying that. The environment is obviously important. But the bullying tactics used by environmentalists in an attempt to hit some arbitrary standard just rubs some people the wrong way.

By the way....Americans don't use the phrase "sod the environment". Unless that has to do with laying new grass. Which contextually doesn't fit.
 
What I find amusing are all the justifications.

If Apple leaves EPEAT - it's good for Apple because what real difference does it mean for the environment what Apple does or does not do compared to others.

Conversely - when it comes to human work conditions in China - Apple doing just a little bit more than others is touted as praiseworthy.


It seems that some people will be able to praise Apple no matter whether they are doing more or less than others. Clearly whatever Apple decides is what's best for everyone? :confused:

San Francisco - despite what you might say about their economics or whatever - was right in stating that they won't support the purchasing of Apple laptops and desktops. If their policies dictate that these devices must comply with EPEAT then they had no choice lest they look two-faced about it.

Just like if there were enterprise issues either for a government or private company that prevented them from using a particular phone/OS. No different.

When your values and mandates are clear - decisions are easy.
 
jarednt1 said:
The problem with environmentalism is, its biggest supporters are IDIOTS! Good for Apple, EPEAT is equivalent to the mob (just paying protection money).
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I agree, but I still don't think this was a good move. Maybe other companies could do this, but Apple is too big and targetable by media and ignorant people (many think that Macs can't right-click). If this becomes a big news story, it's going to hurt.
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
Yes, we should be allowed to have products that push the boundaries of design, and not saddle ourselves with stagnant technology because of someone's silly ideas about everything needing to come apart with a screwdriver.
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No one is disallowing products that push the boundaries of design. Where are you getting this stuff ? :confused:
 
Lennholm said:
IT departments will rejoice. Pretty much all intranets are Windows based and IT departments usually don't like Macs because they complicate things for them, mainly support.
This is most certainly the case here since only a small portion of the PC's used are Macs
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This is absolutely true. My workplace's IT department tried unsuccessfully to ban Macs several years ago.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
I think SF ids a $%#^#bag with all of their crazy left wing rules but environmental stuff is a necessity these days. Downtown Long Beach is also pretty good with recycling and cleaning. Its nice to see clean streets these days.
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I've been to SF. The pedestrians always block traffic and don't care about anyone but themselves. It reminds me of the hippies in Venice Beach.
 
KnightWRX said:
Well considering she's responsible for the city following environnemental guidelines which include buying EPEAT certified gear... what exactly are you trying to say about her ? Subtle what ?

She's not criticizing Apple, she's simply stating the obvious : they can't buy Apple gear anymore.
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Seriously? Her first call was to the Wall Street Journal. The city government wanted this out there to serve as a not so subtle backhand to Apple. If she wasn't trying to criticize she wouldn't have done press on it. She would have issued her directive to department heads to inform them of the ban on new Apple purchases.

Instead...she went a different route. It's definitely her prerogative to do so (and probably a sign that she is doing her job right), but lets not act like the use of the media here was not intentional.
 
This is another spin on the ISO scam in which a nothing of an administrative body gets to throw roadblocks in the way of a manufacturer while getting paid to do so. Back in the 90's everyone went apes**t over ISO certs. Gotta have 'em or you can't sell here. We only buy stuff with an ISO XXXY stamp. Now you never even hear it mentioned. It was found to be useless and worthless and the scam it is. This is just another that seeks to hold everyone to a lowest common denominator and get paid for doing so.

With a major player like Apple pulling out of EPEAT, it won't be long. Tick-tock.
 
so let me get this straight... San Francisco wont let public employees buy Apples computers because Apple doesnt agree with epeat's design requirements? This makes zero sense. Its like saying "We arent gonna eat bacon because its too damn delicious!" its nonsense! "We arent gonna use Apple's products because they are designed too well!"

Also bacon is delicious, so you should never turn it down.
 
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