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San Francisco to Block Most Municipal Mac Purchases Following Apple's EPEAT Withdrawal
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Of course they are. If they need more money, they'll just hike up the sales or property tax rate. There doesn't seem to be much budget cutting at any level in our government
So the MBP with a retina display and upgrading laptops with the latest hardware means Apple has no desire to sell computers anymore?
Open your damn eyes.
They can buy as many Apple computers as they want. Just not with government funds.
Who says they made the call at all. Maybe the reporter called the city (and maybe others) to find out how this would play out with Apple's EPEAT withdrawal and the representative answered the questions asked.
Did it say that the CIO Journal was contacted by the city? I'm pretty sure it didn't.
That just sounds like any other pandering marketing nonsense, just like pasting "4G" everywhere for anyone who will eat it up.
Given that its very clear that Apple no longer wish to be in the desktop/laptop market I dont see this as a problem for them. All they care about now is iOS and the AppStore. Everything else is secondary.
As far as Apple is concerned, they are only maintaining OS X to allow for development of iOS apps.
Edit Guessing the downvotes are from people who dont want to believe that this is happening. Open your damn eyes...
Its a case of what are the Romans doing for us? NOTHING.
... The Mac App Store?
What?
The Mac App Store
Well yes obviously the Mac App Store.
... And Mountain Lion.
Well yes, that goes without saying!
... And retina MacBook Pros?
Alright I'll grant you the Mac App Store, Mountain Lion and the retina MacBook Pros. Apart from those. What is Apple doing for the Mac? NOTHING
Because that's all that matters, the look. We don't need to care that we destroy this blue planet in the mean time, right? I love to have my kids a healthy and prosperous future. One that is maintainable for generations past them. But yeah, that is just 'green' talk. The previous machines from the same Apple were good looking to, and adhered to the standards they even helped to create. It can go hand-in-hand...
Snipping from*https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3969566?start=0&tstart=0 "Adobe was unable to provide a product that was suitable to the needs of battery powered mobile devices used for Internet browsing. Existing Flash technology used too much memory, ate battery life, and was buggy...*Apple's Steve Jobs led the escape from Flash dependency when Apple introduced the iPhone, and later introduced the iPad. There was a hue and cry over the omission. Time proved Jobs was right on target.*So this is why there is no Flash for your iPhone or iPad or iPod nor for most SmartPhones. Flash has been abandoned by many sites in favor of supported technologies such as HTML5 or by providing their own custom app."
Apple created the ultrabook in their Air, and everyone followed. Before others get there they will refine components and produce something thinner, cheaper, faster. All will follow if they want to compete in that consumer space which will eventually inform the enterprise market through perhaps win8 hate, web apps, user choice, byod, etc.*
Regardless of their shade of green Apple dumped EPEAT and others may soon follow with all of their respective fleets, if they too hope for the massive profits.*For Apple it is a good business decision.
Mindful that tablets are not EPEAT cert and are becoming ever more prevalent, EPEAT will need to accept and evolve or continue serving a reducing enterprise market.
Apple created the ultrabook in their Air, and everyone followed. Before others get there they will refine components and produce something thinner, cheaper, faster. All will follow if they want to compete in that consumer space which will eventually inform the enterprise market through perhaps win8 hate, web apps, user choice, byod, etc.*
Regardless of their shade of green Apple dumped EPEAT and others may soon follow with all of their respective fleets, if they too hope for the massive profits.*For Apple it is a good business decision.
Mindful that tablets are not EPEAT cert and are becoming ever more prevalent, EPEAT will need to accept and evolve or continue serving a reducing enterprise market.
As are you.
You explained a bunch of stuff to me that didn't contradict my post or my point. Everything you said fits with what I said. And yet you're acting like you disagree with me for some reason.
Not sure what you're trying to say to me.
A reminder to people that the city is not banning the computers from being purchased. They are not going to allow them to be purchased with government funds. Please note the difference.
And note that it's not any different than any private company saying that they will only reimburse for purchases of X products or X services based on whatever criteria they set up.
No one's rights to use whatever computer they want are being violated - so some people should stop acting like Marshall law has taken over northern California and have prevented Apple from doing business.
And note that it's not any different than any private company saying that they will only reimburse for purchases of X products or X services based on whatever criteria they set up.
No one's rights to use whatever computer they want are being violated - so some people should stop acting like Marshall law has taken over northern California and have prevented Apple from doing business.
If the batteries cannot be removed, then how can Apple sell battery replacements?
http://www.apple.com/support/macbookpro/service/battery/
Agreed. Much like I'd rather pay for a government official to drive around in a Crown Vic rather than an Audi A8.
Well stated.
On another note, this does present a quandary. As Apple is producing more popular tech that seems to be dictating market trends (ex. the MacBook Air with ultra-books, tablets, etc), do groups such as EPEAT modify their policies or do companies modify their products? It's tantamount to "checkmate", and whomever gives first may dictate future policy (?).
Good!
I love the current MacBook Pro design because it's so incredibly easy to repair and upgrade.
I HATE the MacBook Pro Retina design because it's impossible to repair or upgrade, and this is why Apple is dropping EPEAT.
The MacBook Pros are already incredibly light and thin. I don't need to shave another few ounces or mm's off my MacBook. I do need Ethernet and an optical drive. And most importantly, I demand a computer I can upgrade.
We don't need two MacBook Air lines. Apple needs to back off the new Pro design and revert to the old. They'll never listen to emails from people like me. Maybe they will listen to lost sales.
I only wish some of their largest corporate and educational customers would announce the same and FORCE Apple to drop the current Retina design, make all their designs upgradable, and return to EPEAT.
I love the current MacBook Pro design because it's so incredibly easy to repair and upgrade.
I HATE the MacBook Pro Retina design because it's impossible to repair or upgrade, and this is why Apple is dropping EPEAT.
The MacBook Pros are already incredibly light and thin. I don't need to shave another few ounces or mm's off my MacBook. I do need Ethernet and an optical drive. And most importantly, I demand a computer I can upgrade.
We don't need two MacBook Air lines. Apple needs to back off the new Pro design and revert to the old. They'll never listen to emails from people like me. Maybe they will listen to lost sales.
I only wish some of their largest corporate and educational customers would announce the same and FORCE Apple to drop the current Retina design, make all their designs upgradable, and return to EPEAT.
Apple still takes an environmentally friendly design approach, especially when it comes to power management and use. The environmental aspects in their designs is prominently displayed on the product pages.
http://www.apple.com/imac/environment.html
This seems to be more about freedom of design, and being able to construct computers that continue to push the limits of size and form, which conflicts with making things easy to disassemble at their end of their product life.
The RMBP is not easy to take apart, but it wouldn't be as slim as it is if it adhered to these standards. Apple's decision with the RMBP has also infuriated many 'techies' who feel that computers should be built for their convenience. The same complaint was made of the iPhone not having a removable battery, it hasn't been that big of a deal.
Apple's consumer base has changed significantly over the years but their core values are in place. Product design should be focused on what it will be used for during its life cycle, not for the relatively unrelated matter of disassembly at the end of a products life.
Recycling technology could improve significantly and probably has over the years, I can't imagine with all of the millions of computers sold every year that they're all eventually hand disassembled at the end of the product life.
Maybe it's just me but not that many people upgrade their laptops. Even with upgradable parts the processor will eventually age to the point where it's just not worth the effort. The vast majority of people will only ever install more RAM and then use their computers until they die, seriously, the vast majority.
I've rather have a 0.76" thin notebook.
http://www.apple.com/imac/environment.html
This seems to be more about freedom of design, and being able to construct computers that continue to push the limits of size and form, which conflicts with making things easy to disassemble at their end of their product life.
The RMBP is not easy to take apart, but it wouldn't be as slim as it is if it adhered to these standards. Apple's decision with the RMBP has also infuriated many 'techies' who feel that computers should be built for their convenience. The same complaint was made of the iPhone not having a removable battery, it hasn't been that big of a deal.
Apple's consumer base has changed significantly over the years but their core values are in place. Product design should be focused on what it will be used for during its life cycle, not for the relatively unrelated matter of disassembly at the end of a products life.
Recycling technology could improve significantly and probably has over the years, I can't imagine with all of the millions of computers sold every year that they're all eventually hand disassembled at the end of the product life.
Maybe it's just me but not that many people upgrade their laptops. Even with upgradable parts the processor will eventually age to the point where it's just not worth the effort. The vast majority of people will only ever install more RAM and then use their computers until they die, seriously, the vast majority.
I've rather have a 0.76" thin notebook.
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I don't paint her as evil. I think she is just doing her job.
I'm just saying that your assertion that she isn't trying to put pressure on Apple here is just not accurate.
Back when Leopard came out, there was a bug in how it handled file sharing. This bug would prevent PC's from showing up in the sidebar.
My company needed a computer, and the person requested a mac. So we bought a mac mini. I Set it up, and couldn't see any PC's unless we typed the IP address in manually using.. cmd+K I believe?
I called Apple up. "Yes it's a bug, no there's no known ETA until its fixed. Just install Tiger on the mac until the bug's been fixed."
Only one problem - It came pre-installed with Leopard. I can't install Tiger on it. In the end, a level 2 tech and an engineer agreed that my best course of action was to either a) type the IP address in manually, every time, which would also require re-configuring the Windows PC's to have a static IP address, or b) return the computer and wait an unknown amount of time until the bug was fixed.
In a business world, you don't have the luxury of waiting a few days or weeks or possibly months for a fix. nor do you have the luxury of buying someone's used mini off of ebay. We needed something now, and every day lost was money wasted.
I installed Windows on it, and it worked perfectly.
If you look at anything Apple has on the market now, the problems are just as glaring. If your iMac's HDD crahes, you can not swap it out yourself due to the temp sensor, you have to take it to an Apple store. What would normally be an hour of downtime while I run to Best Buy, buy a hard drive, and install the OS, just because a 2.5 hour trip, assuming Apple replaces the hard drive in my mac, on the spot. Which of course they won't. And forget about calling Apple up for a next-business day tech to come out and fix it, that's just laughable in Apple world.
Most businesses pay money for support contracts, so they're never without vital equapment. That's impossible to do when it comes to Apple. Most businesses require certain OS/Apps for compatability. That's impossible when it comes to Apple. Most businsses require support for more than a few years. That's impossible when it comes to Apple.
What I see a lot of, is people that buy Apple laptops, install VMWare or Parallels, and run Windows on the mac. But for a business, there is no reason to spend $1500 for that when a $500 Dell will work just as well, and doesn't come with the hardware caveats that the mac has.
Perhaps EPEAT determining design for the coming 3 years and becoming embroiled in the patent wars, might provide for exciting new changes...
Wow people take it personally when Apple stops being EPEAT certified, and really go to great lengths to make everyone else be the "bad guy", just so they don't have to tarnish their opinion of Apple.
Craziness!
Very well said, it's creepy that people will defend a money-making corporation so personaly.
Hey WestonHarvey1... I was referring to the $3000+ laptops that Apple sells.
And yes... you can find a $400 dollar PC that has the same features as an iMac.
Don't be a wise ass... it makes us Apple users look bad.
But how much would this hurt? If this would be like a democrat giving up Fox News, then it's just wind...
That is not meant to make light of the issues of upgradeability and recyclability... Both should weigh heavier at One Infinite Loop.
That is not meant to make light of the issues of upgradeability and recyclability... Both should weigh heavier at One Infinite Loop.
