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I came to that conclusion as I am a Solidworks user (on PC and I'm looking to migrate to bootcamp) and the benchmarks for the extreme editions of Core i7 are just blowing away Xeon's.

On the other hand, I also want to get into rendering and most of the popular apps will use all the threads available if not all the cores.

Maxwell Render 2.5
Keyshot 2.0
Modo 5.0

Ultimately, the decision comes down to support of the Nvidia Quadro 4000 through PCI-e on the Mac Pro, which is beneficial for some Adobe apps such as Photoshop and After Effects.

Ivy Bridge processors in the next iMac would be quite fast enough I suspect, and worth the wait.

Solidworks is the Parasolids modeling kernal right?
Which is multi-threaded, well it is when it's use in Vectorworks on Mac or Windows.
 
Sorry, it doesn't pan out this way. I took my time machine to the future and sadly, you'll have to wait till 2012 for the new Mac Pro. Good news is I picked some cool gear while I was there.
 
The quad core i7 iMacs (21.5 and 27) will run all of that brilliantly. Heck even the i5's might just run it all very well too. The need for a Mac Pro is smaller then ever now cause of how good the iMacs are these days.

I think:
High amounts of RAM (over 32GB cause the iMac can to that though it's expensive, but 16GB should run all of that just fine)
TBs and TBs of internal storage
User upgradability beyond RAM and hard drive
A need for more then 4 physical cores (though hardly any apps are optimised for more then 4 cores)


Are the only reasons to get a Mac Pro these days. If it's just to run the above mentioned apps then an i5/i7 iMac will suffice very well.

And I believe this fact alone is why the Mac Pro is not as popular anymore.

I'm guessing you've never rendered any 3D scenes on an iMac. I am doing a 3D animation that currently takes 16min per frame on an iMac. A mac pro with my iMac and MacBook slave rendering could significantly reduce that time. Just because a computer can run an app doesn't make it suitable to any given workflow.
 
I'm guessing you've never rendered any 3D scenes on an iMac. I am doing a 3D animation that currently takes 16min per frame on an iMac. A mac pro with my iMac and MacBook slave rendering could significantly reduce that time. Just because a computer can run an app doesn't make it suitable to any given workflow.

those who never needed a MP for their workflow will necer understand this :)
 
you're right. i was looking at a wiki page with only a selection of the xeons listed and not the entire lineup.

that list certainly looks more formidable than the 1600's i was looking at. so, potentially, a $6000 mac pro could have 16-cores too. nice!

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i like that. the upcoming i7-3820 is listed at $294 which is cheaper than the $299 i7-2600, which is the BTO option for the top end 21.5" iMac at $1699 w/o tax. so take the screen away and replace that with an amd 68xx series gnu and we should get a similar price point. maybe....

Sounds good to me. Only problem is Apple's BTO options. I'd like it to have a 6970...but Apple often charges an additional retail equivalent of BTO options, not a subsidized portion (difference between the two). LAME
While Im dreaming...I'd love it if one could but the components individually, so we wouldn't have to waste any money on overpriced BTO's Apple's Standard HDD/RAM/GPU. I'd throw in a "wish for CF support too" sentiment as well, but Ive embarrassed myself enough tonight:eek:
 
Sorry, it doesn't pan out this way. I took my time machine to the future and sadly, you'll have to wait till 2012 for the new Mac Pro. Good news is I picked some cool gear while I was there.

+1

There has been a lot of random speculation about the X79 chipset being the pacing item. Google "Intel X79 chipset delay". A random selection of web pages say "January 2012" for both the E-series and the X79, although I don't know what the basis for this speculation is. Of course, Apple could announce before Christmas, but, Mac Pros are not usually considered Christmas Present material. ;)
 
16 cores...

Very tempting for my image processing work which is multicore aware. Add in one or two solid state drives and it may suit me just fine.
 
Sounds good to me. Only problem is Apple's BTO options. I'd like it to have a 6970...but Apple often charges an additional retail equivalent of BTO options, not a subsidized portion (difference between the two). LAME
While Im dreaming...I'd love it if one could but the components individually, so we wouldn't have to waste any money on overpriced BTO's Apple's Standard HDD/RAM/GPU. I'd throw in a "wish for CF support too" sentiment as well, but Ive embarrassed myself enough tonight:eek:

their gpu upgrade seems reasonable in comparison with other companies just offhand from prior dream configurations of pc's just to find out how much i wouldn't be able to afford them. lol.

who knows... the top end imac sports a 6970m. granted, it's a mobile version. but, still, offers something to go with as far as what the next mac pro gpu will be. i would be surprise if it isn't at least a 68xx. maybe, a 68xx will be the standard and the bto upgrade is the 69xx?

and just to change up the topic a bit, what is the likely-hood of an nvidia gpu being there? they used them before and now they seem toonly offer amd in the last couple re-iterations of their product lines?

any thoughts?
 
Curious what hardware adjustments will be made to optimize the Mac Pro for current video editing and 3D software - which should be the most demanding use of this new machine.
 
hahaha. i was doing the same thing. building my rig in my mind using the internet. i set my budget to be realistic, though. but it was already decent consisting of gtx 560ti (for cuda and decent gaming performance), i5-2500k (for oc), gold plus psu (saves on electricity bill?), 8gb ddr3 1600 ram, fractal r3 case arctic white one (looks like a mac) and a oc-friendly motherboard for around $1200. i was really happy with the figure and made me think really hard about it. but, as it is a luxury item and i don't need it for work, i had to pass up on it.

i was switching back and forth between intel and amd and my reasoning for choosing intel was mostly timing. bulldozer is not out yet and the only thing available right now are last gen phenoms, while intel already have their sandy bridge cpu's with upgrade path next yr for ivy bridge. so choosing amd would have meant spending on a cpu that might get updated in the next month or so. mind you, this was all just window shopping. but, i really approached it as if i was going to build a pc, researching everything from mob's to psu's, etc.

so. even though, i came out empty handed, i think, i learned a lot just by window shopping online. lol.

so, what kind of work do you do to require such gnu power?

Mechanical Engineering with Finite Element Analysis and Computational Fluid Dynamics. Then my other degree in Computer Science deals with Numerical Analysis, Software Animation, etc, not to mention Web Development.

I probably build and rebuild LLVM/Clang, Blender, Inkscape, TeXWorks, Scribus, and much more on a daily basis.

No point in not taking advantage of the systems and keeping current on Linux and OS X as much as possible.

Filing bug reports consistently benefits us all to h aving better software.

OpenCL is another part of the work to become proficient in with OpenGL. Game development depends on it.
 
Xeon E5 Series not shipping til December

This article is betting on the release dates of the Core i7 Desktop Enthusiast Sandy Bridge-E range. Unless Apple is getting early access, Intel doesn't have the Xeon E5 range scheduled to ship until December.
 
hm...

I thought Apple would not bring again a new Mac Pro.
I thought instead there would be a kind of iMac Pro or something (of course wit a touchscreen to bring the iOS look and fool to mac computers).
It seems hey don't care about professional users more and more, so a Mac Pro doesn't fit to Apple's product policy any more.
As they are concentrating to produce entertainment toys for the mass, what brings a lot more money than professional products, it would just be consequent to let all professional products die
 
The quad core i7 iMacs (21.5 and 27) will run all of that brilliantly. Heck even the i5's might just run it all very well too. The need for a Mac Pro is smaller then ever now cause of how good the iMacs are these days.

I think:
High amounts of RAM (over 32GB cause the iMac can to that though it's expensive, but 16GB should run all of that just fine)
TBs and TBs of internal storage
User upgradability beyond RAM and hard drive
A need for more then 4 physical cores (though hardly any apps are optimised for more then 4 cores)


Are the only reasons to get a Mac Pro these days. If it's just to run the above mentioned apps then an i5/i7 iMac will suffice very well.

And I believe this fact alone is why the Mac Pro is not as popular anymore.

There’s more to it than that. Don’t forget, not everybody is satisfied with Apple’s decision of the glossy screens in the iMac. Personally, the reflections would annoy the heck out of me and interfere significantly when I’m doing colour sensitive work (75% of the time). Especially if the theme is a dark one and the person sat behind me, back to back, has his screen filled with bright content. No, let me choose the display I want to hook up myself. Besides, what happens if your screen dies on you..? You’ve just lost your computer for a few days whilst it is being repaired. Down time like that is often not an option for a Pro working under a tight deadline.

In addition, the Mac Pro’s are much easier to gain internal access to. Just pop the lid and you’re there. You can even do this as the machine is running (admittedly I can’t think of a reason why you would ;) ). The ability to very quickly swap in and out a set of HD’s (in addition to the Ram and the Super-drives) without having to dismantle half the machine is certainly worth pointing out. You’re essentially back up and running much faster after hardware maintenance, upgrades, what have you.

Mac Pros also operate more quietly than any other Mac out there when placed under full load for extensive periods. Quite a boon in a quiet studio environment. It’s one of the things I love most about my Mac Pro.

Also, being able to place more than one video card can offer up several key advantages. I know of one CG-artist who has two cards in his 2010 Mac Pro. One to dedicated entirely to GPU renderers like Octane, and the other to run everything else (OSX, other apps, etc.)

As good as the i7/i5 line of CPU’s are, it’s my understanding that you cannot run them in a dual CPU configuration. That effectively cuts in half (give or take) their speed potential compared to the Mac Pro’s Xeons. Yes, my software is multi-threaded and will gobble up every core I throw at it. An i7 would thus, effectively, slow me down. They would certainly not suffice.

So as you see, the Mac Pros are really exactly that….. Designed and built to cater to a professional’s needs.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the iMacs. They’re brilliant machines. But for what I do for a living they are behind the Mac Pros on my shopping list and will be for as long as Apple continues to support the Pros.
 
honestly:

even if it has not all Pro Features:
FCP-X runs amazingly fast on my 8-Core MP from 2008 and is really a joy to use

Sure, but let's face it: if you are a professional video/film editor, or CG artist, faster is ALWAYS better. The new Pros will make your 8-core look like a cored Apple.

If you aren't doing it for income, the difference is merely a bit more time waiting, annoyed, while something renders or outputs, etc. Any lower-end Mac is now fine and convenient for amateurs and hobbyists, or professionals that use less-demanding processor power. Text editing and publishing, for example, would do as well on a MacMini as on a Pro tower as of now.
 
Gotta bring the size and price of these things down.

My 2008 still runs great but its a behemoth. They should be able to half the size and still deliver the same performance and options.

Um, no. There are still a lot of us who use every internal spare inch in the full-size cases to add native-speed hard drives and other components.

If Apple got rid of their only real computer for power users, I'd be required to go hackintosh or windows.
 
I'm guessing you've never rendered any 3D scenes on an iMac. I am doing a 3D animation that currently takes 16min per frame on an iMac. A mac pro with my iMac and MacBook slave rendering could significantly reduce that time. Just because a computer can run an app doesn't make it suitable to any given workflow.

How long would each frame take on the current top of the line Mac Pro?
 
Still as clean and beautiful from the inside out :)

BTW is there a separate Apple dept in charge of the Mac's "interior design", or is there just one big "design dept" headed by Jon Ive?
 
And they're going to put 6/12 ram slots on them this time right? Right?

Why?

6/12 slots made sense to keep triple-channel memory.

4/8 is what your going to get again for sure I recon.

Good point! In that case

8/16! :D

Probably not since it should be quad channel. But I'd like to see at least 8 on all models, having four on the low end machine (one that's way way way overpriced for what you get) is a joke. Absolutely no reason to only have four on what's hyped as a "pro" machine, and I'm sure the cost savings is negligible.


Nice attention to detail, but having seen Apple do it enough times in the past, I'd not put my money on anything other than 4 RAM slots in the Single CPU configuration and 8 slots in the Dual CPU.

Of course, it will also invariably ship with 4GB of RAM (4 x 1GB) which of course will be promptly pulled & tossed by everyone into a landfill...how "Green" for Apple. Maybe we should all make it a point to take it into our local Apple Store and give it to the Genius for recycling, and ask for a $10 Store Credit.


Um, no. There are still a lot of us who use every internal spare inch in the full-size cases to add native-speed hard drives and other components.

If Apple got rid of their only real computer for power users, I'd be required to go hackintosh or windows.

There's a possibility that due to Thunderbolt, this classical form factor could be due for a change. Of course, from our Consumer's perspective, we will still get hit because Promise RAID box isn't as cheap as simply a couple of empty bays that get filled. Because of this, I'd hope that if there is a "Mini Mac Pro" introduced, that it would come down by at least $500.

One would like to hope that with Cooke, we could potentially see an industrial Mac whose starting MSRP is down around $1500 again.


-hh
 
If apple screws this update up, i will either start looking at a hackintosh, or dump the whole lot. After the monumental cock up of FCPX i can't afford to invest heavily in a system that simply doesn't do the job. Thunderbolt is great but don't remove my internal PCIe slots, and don't you dare get rid of the internal bays. For most of us the size of the create is not an issue - its why we bought the bloody thing and not an imac - to have space and accessibility for upgrading.
Its about time they didn't charge you for the stock ram, and then the new ram on top of it - i love -hh's idea of taking it to the apple store for a credit!!

There were signs that we could be moving towards being able to use stock GPU's thus ending the daft price hike we have to stick the same hardware in a box... i hope thats true.
 
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